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sinrakin
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 Posted: 06/04/04 - 08:50 Post subject: I'm sorry, Sweetie. I didn't mean all those things I said
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| Quote: | Bush says he was 'never angry with the French'
03.06.2004
PARIS - President George W. Bush said he was never angry with France over its refusal to back the United States-led war in Iraq, as both countries sought to play down past tensions ahead of the 60th anniversary of the D-Day landings.
"I was never angry with the French. France is a long-term ally," Bush told the weekly Paris Match in an interview due to be published on Thursday.
Bush is among 17 heads of state scheduled to attend the commemorations in Normandy on June 6.
Like French President Jacques Chirac, Bush said there was never any falling out between the US and France, which led opposition to the war that ousted Saddam Hussein.
"Listen, I made a difficult decision and not everybody agreed with that decision. But I understand that," he said in remarks printed in French and translated by Reuters.
"Jacques told me clearly. He did not think the use of force was necessary. We debated it as friends."
Chirac on Thursday also denied relations between himself and Bush had ever disintegrated or been affected by their disagreement over the Iraqi conflict.
"I was never angry with him and I never had the feeling that he was angry with me. We had a disagreement of views and that's normal," Chirac said.
Bilateral ties were severely strained last year when Chirac vowed to veto any US-backed United Nations resolution authorising an attack on Iraq and rallied German and Russian opposition to America's plans.
Reconciliation has not been easy. Bush shook hands with Chirac stiffly at a Group of Eight summit in France one year ago and left the gathering a day early.
France has also been critical of the US handling of the post-war situation in oil-rich Iraq, calling for sovereignty to be handed over swiftly to an Iraqi interim government.
Bush said he understood that the presence of a US-led multinational force in Iraq was a burden to many Iraqi people.
Asked if it was correct to say that not everyone who opposed US occupation was a "terrorist", Bush said: "I agree. They are not all terrorists."
"The kamikazes are, but other fighters are not. They can't stand to be occupied. Neither I nor anyone else would like it if we were in their place. That is why we are giving them back their sovereignty," he was quoted as saying by Paris Match.
The US and Britain on Tuesday submitted a second draft UN resolution giving Iraq considerable authority over its security and economy after the planned handover on June 30.
Chirac said on Wednesday the new draft resolution was a good basis for discussion but needed some improvements.
Despite their continued differences, both sides have made efforts to focus on issues where they can co-operate.
Bush, who barred Chirac from his ranch in Texas last year, even indicated he was now ready to host the French leader.
"If he wants to come and see some cows, he is welcome. He can come and see some cows," he said. |
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Gravelbeard
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Posted: 06/04/04 - 09:01 Post subject:
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So when has politics not been about ass kissing?
no surprises here.
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Aviger
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Posted: 06/04/04 - 11:58 Post subject:
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heh, i wonder how people who always gripe about kerry changing his mind are going to explain this one away 
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Frehya
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Posted: 06/04/04 - 12:42 Post subject:
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what freedom fries?
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lauren000
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Posted: 06/04/04 - 16:47 Post subject:
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| Frehya wrote: | | what freedom fries? |
liberty fries. But hey lets look at some cows and forget it ever happened.
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 06/04/04 - 16:50 Post subject:
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Sin, I think you're stretching a bit if this was intended to be bad somehow. A lot of people complained because Bush angered France (among other countries). Now he makes an attempt to reconcile with them and he gets criticized again. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Frehya seriously, I'd expect that sort of assinine comment from Lauren or Maelstrom but you generally seem more intelligent than that. Of course, I've been wrong before...
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sinrakin
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Posted: 06/04/04 - 17:00 Post subject:
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No, I actually think it's good. It's just sort of funny after everything that went on. The "If he wants to come and see some cows, he is welcome. He can come and see some cows" line is priceless 
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Posted: 06/04/04 - 20:29 Post subject:
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| Aviger wrote: | | heh, i wonder how people who always gripe about kerry changing his mind are going to explain this one away |
No explanation needed. Bush did what was needed and disregarded the french/german/russian bloc. He told them what he was going to do, then he did it. They bitched and moaned, lost billions in contracts, and now here we are.
Kerry, the loser, would have done nothing except raise taxes.
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Frehya
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Posted: 06/04/04 - 21:44 Post subject:
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| Nuldaan wrote: |
Frehya seriously, I'd expect that sort of assinine comment from Lauren or Maelstrom but you generally seem more intelligent than that. Of course, I've been wrong before... |
 I was just getting in the spirit of RP and remembering this....
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/sprj.irq.fries/
but yes, its true, I'm dumb as a rock, but I type fast so it takes awhile for people to catch on! 
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Tolanin
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Posted: 06/04/04 - 23:35 Post subject:
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Well I think its good, trying to improve relations again is good and especially because we dont want stuff like that overshadowing the 60th aniversary of D day...
speaking of D day you think germany celebrates Dday when they went into russia? ;p
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Agaroo
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Posted: 06/05/04 - 02:13 Post subject:
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| Aviger wrote: | | heh, i wonder how people who always gripe about kerry changing his mind are going to explain this one away |
Did Bush ever come out publically against France? (Nevermind they were on opposing sides of an issue, they both readily admit that...) Other than some back-woods freak repblicans getting crazy with french fry names, I don't remember a Bush-lead campaign against France.
Curiousity killed the cat........
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Sasa
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Posted: 06/05/04 - 02:24 Post subject:
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Aww It's ok Sin, just tutor me in physics when I need it and we will call it even...
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 06/05/04 - 02:37 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | | No, I actually think it's good. It's just sort of funny after everything that went on. The "If he wants to come and see some cows, he is welcome. He can come and see some cows" line is priceless |
Fair enough. I wasn't sure how you intended it.
No offense intended btw, Frehya. The second part of that post was something of a dig I guess but really I was just setting up an escape route in case this turned into an argument.
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 06/05/04 - 02:37 Post subject:
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| Sasa wrote: | | Aww It's ok Sin, just tutor me in physics when I need it and we will call it even... |
I asked Sin a physics question once and he never even answered me. b*****d! 
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Nictathan
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Posted: 06/05/04 - 03:03 Post subject:
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| Nuldaan wrote: | Sin, I think you're stretching a bit if this was intended to be bad somehow. A lot of people complained because Bush angered France (among other countries). Now he makes an attempt to reconcile with them and he gets criticized again. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Frehya seriously, I'd expect that sort of assinine comment from Lauren or Maelstrom but you generally seem more intelligent than that. Of course, I've been wrong before... |
I'm sorry but the only reason he's dammed cause he "don't" is because he did in the first place. It's called hypocrisy (sp?).
Frehya's comment was quite appropriate I thought, and comparing her to Maelstrom is kinda low I think...
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 06/05/04 - 03:36 Post subject:
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| Nictathan wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | Sin, I think you're stretching a bit if this was intended to be bad somehow. A lot of people complained because Bush angered France (among other countries). Now he makes an attempt to reconcile with them and he gets criticized again. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Frehya seriously, I'd expect that sort of assinine comment from Lauren or Maelstrom but you generally seem more intelligent than that. Of course, I've been wrong before... |
I'm sorry but the only reason he's dammed cause he "don't" is because he did in the first place. It's called hypocrisy (sp?).
Frehya's comment was quite appropriate I thought, and comparing her to Maelstrom is kinda low I think... |
Wrong but A for effort.
There's no hypocracy in attempting to have good relations with France. They are our allies after all. Being an ally doesn't mean we must agree on every single issue. Yeah, shame on Bush for not receiving Daddy Europe's written consent before going to war in Iraq. 
Frehya's comment was inappropriate because Bush had nothing to do with 'freedom fries'. That was something that was done in House cafeterias. It was a stupid idea when they did it and trying to pin it on the President is lame, at best.
Since you are having trouble distinguishing the difference, I wasn't comparing Frehya to Maelstrom. I said I expect that sort of statement from Maelstrom or Lauren but I expect more intelligent posts from her. In case you missed it, I'll put it in plain English for you. I believe Frehya is smarter than that. *shrugs* I'm not sure how you would think that's an insult.
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Banzai
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Posted: 06/05/04 - 07:20 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | You are either with us or against us |
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sinrakin
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Posted: 06/05/04 - 10:27 Post subject:
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| Nuldaan wrote: | | Sasa wrote: | | Aww It's ok Sin, just tutor me in physics when I need it and we will call it even... |
I asked Sin a physics question once and he never even answered me. b*****d! |
Oh crap, you did, didn't you - you wanted some good physics books. I was trying to find some, but the ones I knew were kind of old and I didn't want to recommend them, so I looked up MIT's undergrad curriculum and started trying to review some of the books they use now, but it took a long time and I felt embarassed that I'd taken so long to answer, so I felt like I had to give you an even better answer to justify that, then I got busy for a couple days and never got back to it. I'm really sorry
Heh, Sasa, sure fire away. I don't necessarily remember everything since I don't use it too much, but I'll take a shot 
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Frehya
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Posted: 06/05/04 - 13:59 Post subject:
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| Nuldaan wrote: |
Frehya's comment was inappropriate because Bush had nothing to do with 'freedom fries'. That was something that was done in House cafeterias. It was a stupid idea when they did it and trying to pin it on the President is lame, at best.
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I was inappropriate on Realpoor. Khrath gonna ban me now.
Actually, I don't recall saying that Bush did have anything to do with freedom fries, I wrote 2 words, you extrapolated (or over generalized) from those words, and took it from there.
I just tossed that out there cuz I felt FREE TO BE MEEEEE. it was a general stick tossed into the soon to be melee.
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 06/05/04 - 17:32 Post subject:
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| Frehya wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: |
Frehya's comment was inappropriate because Bush had nothing to do with 'freedom fries'. That was something that was done in House cafeterias. It was a stupid idea when they did it and trying to pin it on the President is lame, at best.
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I was inappropriate on Realpoor. Khrath gonna ban me now.
Actually, I don't recall saying that Bush did have anything to do with freedom fries, I wrote 2 words, you extrapolated (or over generalized) from those words, and took it from there.
I just tossed that out there cuz I felt FREE TO BE MEEEEE. it was a general stick tossed into the soon to be melee. |
*shrugs* Look, I don't want to get into an argument over this. It's not that big a jump to come to the conclusion that that is what you meant since this is a post about Bush.
I didn't say you had to stay on topic, I said I was surprised because you usually are. If you want to post randomly, go ahead. No one is going to stop you but don't be surprised when people wonder what you're talking about sometimes.
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Posted: 06/05/04 - 17:33 Post subject:
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| Kbarr wrote: | | Aviger wrote: | | heh, i wonder how people who always gripe about kerry changing his mind are going to explain this one away |
No explanation needed. Bush did what was needed and disregarded the french/german/russian bloc. He told them what he was going to do, then he did it. They bitched and moaned, lost billions in contracts, and now here we are.
Kerry, the loser, would have done nothing except raise taxes. |
well put
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 06/05/04 - 17:35 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | | Sasa wrote: | | Aww It's ok Sin, just tutor me in physics when I need it and we will call it even... |
I asked Sin a physics question once and he never even answered me. b*****d! |
Oh crap, you did, didn't you - you wanted some good physics books. I was trying to find some, but the ones I knew were kind of old and I didn't want to recommend them, so I looked up MIT's undergrad curriculum and started trying to review some of the books they use now, but it took a long time and I felt embarassed that I'd taken so long to answer, so I felt like I had to give you an even better answer to justify that, then I got busy for a couple days and never got back to it. I'm really sorry
Heh, Sasa, sure fire away. I don't necessarily remember everything since I don't use it too much, but I'll take a shot |
It's cool. I didn't expect you to do any research for it. I thought you worked in the field because I remember you saying that's what you went to college for. I thought you might be familiar with some good books. If it takes a lot of work, don't worry about it. I'll grab some from the bookstore and see if I can find some good starter books.
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