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PostPosted: 01/26/05 - 09:31    Post subject: I love it when people over react to what children do! Reply with quote

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/01/26/drawings.arrests.ap/index.html


Can't spank 'em.
Can't discipline them.

But we can arrest them for drawing pictures!
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PostPosted: 01/26/05 - 11:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I almost posted that too. I think there must be a human, or at least an administrative compulsion to avoid blame for anything by taking patently ridiculous precautions as a way of convincing people that if you're doing something so idiotic, you surely must have done everything humanly possible. It's just airplane security in another context.
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PostPosted: 01/26/05 - 11:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must admit that this kinb of draw if quite disturbing for 9-10 years old..but to call the cops for that...

Parent/school and I would add in a psycologist cause you dont know the kind of family lol...
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PostPosted: 01/26/05 - 11:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

But to arrest them with handcuff...

The cops who got there should be f*****g fired. You dont need idiots like that in police.
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PostPosted: 01/26/05 - 11:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first year in high school I did nearly the same thing. Just a doodle and a laugh of a classmate (who it was directed to), next thing I know I'm in an office, laughing hysterically at a fat vice principal trying to reprimand me for a joke aimed at someone who knew it was a joke.

I've never been so bored with humanity as I was when I went to that place.
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PostPosted: 01/26/05 - 12:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

sinrakin wrote:
Yeah I almost posted that too. I think there must be a human, or at least an administrative compulsion to avoid blame for anything by taking patently ridiculous precautions as a way of convincing people that if you're doing something so idiotic, you surely must have done everything humanly possible. It's just airplane security in another context.


What drives this kind of this is the disempowerment of parents in this country, along with the moral decay that is swallowing up human society as a whole. If you child is being a little b*****d in the shopping mall.. you can't even grab them by the arm and give them a swat on the ass. Thats "Abuse". Right...
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PostPosted: 01/26/05 - 12:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frax wrote:
sinrakin wrote:
Yeah I almost posted that too. I think there must be a human, or at least an administrative compulsion to avoid blame for anything by taking patently ridiculous precautions as a way of convincing people that if you're doing something so idiotic, you surely must have done everything humanly possible. It's just airplane security in another context.


What drives this kind of this is the disempowerment of parents in this country, along with the moral decay that is swallowing up human society as a whole. If you child is being a little b*****d in the shopping mall.. you can't even grab them by the arm and give them a swat on the ass. Thats "Abuse". Right...


I'd swat my kid if I ever had one and he/she was acting like a hellion or something.

The best move is "the squeeze". That is where you simply grab them around the neck and squeeze. They will shut up very quickly.
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PostPosted: 01/26/05 - 12:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish I could laugh at how inept our society is becoming but it's really not funny. I don't know what's worse the inability for parents to discipline their children with anything more than a whisper for fear of being charged with abuse. Or the growing trend for parents to blame every entity possibly besides themselves and their own inactions for their childs behavior.
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PostPosted: 01/26/05 - 12:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

I caught this show Supernanny.. normally I would have sent the remote right past that one, but it was kinda fun.
This english nanny came into this home that was total chaos with the 6 yr old talkng back and refusing to do what it was told and the 2 year old refusing to go to bed for hours and hours..the mother was over worked and tired.
the nanny watched for a day and got it sorted out. The parents had lost control due to their wishy washy responses to the kids and their too busy lifestyles.
Was amazing to see the change in the kids when the parents changed their approach. And no, they didnt need to spank, yell or hit them but there was some tough love involved.

In the beginning I wuld have gladly smacked the 6 year old he was so awful. It wouldnt have done anything to cure the problem though, it was more fundamental in everyday functioning.
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PostPosted: 01/26/05 - 13:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few days ago I went to the grecory store...

A kid was screaming and acting like a little p***k, his mom grab him by his arm and told him to stop or he wouldnt go out for a week...

A woman near me in the 20s said : Where is the child protection service when you need them...

I was like : WTF you psyco b***h...

When I was young my dad would kick my ass if I where to do anything stupid...and it worked.

Today kids and only getting worse the gouvernment/school etc...claim that its the parent's fault when parent dont even have the right to punish their kids anymore.

Society is a real joke now.

You could die in a car accident with your kids and people wouldnt even give a f**k but tell your kid to STFU and you deserve to die.

When my daughter act badly I give her a warning. After that it's a slap on the butt she head into her room and 1 week without playing outside.

Once I tell her to come out of her room like an hour after I explain her what she did wrong.

Now I go for computer/TV punishment cause the slap on the butt just doesnt work at all.


I would dare her to start screaming in a shopping center....

Anyway if your kids scream in a shopping center you pass for a bad parent..and if you punish them like telling them to shut up or grab them..you pass for a bad parent...and if your kid's friend hear that your cild cant come out cause he/shes having a punishment you pass for a bad parent.

So the bottom line is you dont like it? Suck it.
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PostPosted: 01/26/05 - 14:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frehya wrote:
The parents had lost control due to their wishy washy responses to the kids and their too busy lifestyles.


There you have a good deal of what goes on with kids today, in a nutshell.

People need structure. Kids need it the most and they also need parents to keep their word, good or bad.
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PostPosted: 01/26/05 - 14:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 01/26/05 - 14:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow , WOW , lol thats totally f****d... glad some of my drawings never got found!


Me and Blobb got in trouble in 4th grade for a note plotting to jump this kid at recess though!
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PostPosted: 01/26/05 - 14:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://files.frashii.com/no_candy.avi hmm yeah i think so.
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PostPosted: 01/26/05 - 14:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mogling wrote:
http://files.frashii.com/no_candy.avi hmm yeah i think so.


I forgot about that commercial
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PostPosted: 01/26/05 - 15:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where to start! Well, it starts at home with the kind of media the child is exposed to. Why do kids draw pictures of their enemies hanging with tears from a tree? Is it modeled after something they saw in the neighborhood? Probably not. Most kids don't naturally know what a hanging is.

Why does the drawing depict tears from the corpse? Probably to indicate that the dead person is sorry for drawing the ire of the other boys. This picture doesn't mean that two 9 year-old boys are going to kill another (but you never know...), only that they kindasorta wish he was dead, or that he was sorry for making them angry (that'll show him!). Everyone has kindasorta wished someone else were dead when they were kids.

Maybe the other kid is a bully who picks on them. Who knows? The point is, this is a situation where a stern talking-to is needed. You call the police when you find actual knives or ropes in their possession, not because they've had too much TV and drew a picture that they probably thought was funny and/or satisfying. Interesting how they assume that the kids are the problem here.
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PostPosted: 01/26/05 - 23:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nictathan wrote:
Mogling wrote:
http://files.frashii.com/no_candy.avi hmm yeah i think so.


I forgot about that commercial

that's gold
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PostPosted: 01/27/05 - 03:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is parents and societys continued disempowerment of them. I think i stole that word but you get the idea. I was raised in a very strict loving household. I know people who weren't and how they turned out.

Also don't forget columbine. 10 years ago people would think it crazy for children to carry guns to highschool. Its just an accepted fact now.

In 6th grade I had a friend die, because they were playing in the barn and someone kicked a bucket out from under him while he had a pretend noose around his neck. Thats what 12 years old? Nothing ever happened to the kid who did it, however he was pretty f****d up.
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PostPosted: 01/27/05 - 03:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gethy wrote:
My first year in high school I did nearly the same thing. Just a doodle and a laugh of a classmate (who it was directed to), next thing I know I'm in an office, laughing hysterically at a fat vice principal trying to reprimand me for a joke aimed at someone who knew it was a joke.

I've never been so bored with humanity as I was when I went to that place.


That happend to me once, almost the same, but instead of nothing happening the f*****g peice of shit dean called my Dad and he came in and started laughing in his face with me, and we left. It was cool. I got a week off of school, and my teachers thought it was so lame they gave me make up work during the suspension.
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PostPosted: 01/27/05 - 03:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm seriously ok with parents beating their child when he/she deserves it or some form of punishment. I'm not saying turn your kid into forrest gump, use some restraint but yea I was raised in a very non-strict home and got to what I wanted, but my parents at a very young age taught me what was and wasn't right... and if I did something that wasn't right, they didn't sit me in time out or ask me my feelings they beat my ass and I deserved it. Kids these days have no respect and no understanding of rules or anything... and they get away with it and every once in awhile some little shit bag like this gets caught.. don't imprison or arrest the kids, arrest the parents and beat the kids..
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PostPosted: 01/27/05 - 03:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

gotissues68 wrote:
I'm seriously ok with parents beating their child when he/she deserves it or some form of punishment. I'm not saying turn your kid into forrest gump, use some restraint but yea I was raised in a very non-strict home and got to what I wanted, but my parents at a very young age taught me what was and wasn't right... and if I did something that wasn't right, they didn't sit me in time out or ask me my feelings they beat my ass and I deserved it. Kids these days have no respect and no understanding of rules or anything... and they get away with it and every once in awhile some little shit bag like this gets caught.. don't imprison or arrest the kids, arrest the parents and beat the kids..
I wonder. If we put the people arested for beating their kids in a arena with the people arested for not beating there kids, and made them fight. Would it be payper view, or on fox?
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PostPosted: 01/27/05 - 03:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was in first grade I would always draw pictures of skeletons and bone cros's like on a pirates flag all over my notebook. My teacher wanted my mom to take me to a childs physiologist, It was funny shit to because I would add alot of blood to the pictures.

Now that I look back on it, it was kind of creepy
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PostPosted: 01/27/05 - 04:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha yes blame the parents!

It just so happens " f****d up kids " come from all sorts of parents.. after a certain age you are going to do what you want to do anyway.

Drawing a picture is not wrong Razz
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PostPosted: 01/27/05 - 04:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, and accidents will happen, so we should never do anything to try and prevent them.

On a serious note, those kids who are raised correctly will probably not be "f****d up" unless chance f***s them up. I'm sure there are many ways to raise a kid correctly, but there are some basics. Teach them honesty, respect, and the use of punishment. Not doing these, and a number of other lackings can make someone a bad parent. I've seen people try to ignore the whole 'parents should be responsible issue', but I think that is the first time I have seen someone try and present reason why parents should not be at fault in general.

A funny guy like you was probably just attempting to get a rise out of someone. Nice job.
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PostPosted: 01/27/05 - 04:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello text, I am just saying it`s not always the parents fault Razz At a very young age you could really f**k a kid up , but just because someone turns out wierd / diff / " bad " doesn't mean the parent didnt spank them enough, I have friends that have diffrent kind of parents from each other and they all turned out to be what most people would probally consider " bad "
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PostPosted: 01/27/05 - 04:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you think it is chance that your friends turned out 'bad'? Do you think all those parents showed those kids that punishment exists for those who don't follow the rules? And that being honest, tough, and respectful is a better way to be as opposed to shady, disrespectful, and all around bad?

Cause if you "have friends that have different kind of parents from each other and they all turned out to be what most people would probably consider 'bad' ", then it seems that the fact that they were all different rather than the same in their raising is one if not the main reason why they are bad. The basics I mentioned above, plus more others may or may not add are important for developing children. I’ve seen, and see it so often.

But at least you went back and said it's not always the parents fault. As much as I will acknowledge that is true in cases of genes, and some chance, I hope you can acknowledge that the parental/family raising is probably the greatest factor.
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