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median
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 Posted: 03/11/04 - 00:08 Post subject: I learned somthing about the American Government today
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The economic sanctions held against Iraq caused a death toll of over 1.5 million people, 500,000 of which were children under the age of 5
- the uranium shells used by US tanks caused the lives of thousands of US troops and are continued to be used to get rid of nuclear waste. And the government didnt help treat their own sick soldiers
-The history of US relations with Iraq/saddam, which is mostly a stuggle between a few families of oil prices.
I really have to say , that this video I watched made me loose alot of respect for the U.S government , especially with the way they use their troops as guiney pigs.
Some time in my lifetime ( and probably your), im sure the American people will be sick of being lied to ect ect.
let the games begin
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Zapper
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 00:09 Post subject:
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WTF what video?
Besided I don't think I want to know half the shit our govt does in covert ops.
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median
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 00:15 Post subject:
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It was in a war and conflict studies class, think it was called the silent war
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Megalo
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 00:25 Post subject:
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heh...you think the gub-ment is gonna tell the rest of us pissants what they REALLY do for a living?
You should see the list of people we've secretly put into power over the years. I know you've heard the names, because they're all the biggest collective murderers on the planet.
Hussein
Noriega
Bin Laden
Just off the top of my head.
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median
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 00:28 Post subject:
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But my question is
WHEN ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GOING TO BE FED UP OF BEING LIED TO AND f****d OVER BY A SMALL GROUP OF f*****g POWERTRIPPING a******s.
also, to put it into rhetrospect.
IF you knew exactly who was behind all these murders, lies and geneocides, would you kill them, would there BE another US CIVIL WAR.
I think , in my lifetime i will see that shit go down
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Akronn
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 00:36 Post subject:
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| median wrote: | But my question is
WHEN ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GOING TO BE FED UP OF BEING LIED TO AND f****d OVER BY A SMALL GROUP OF f*****g POWERTRIPPING a******s.
also, to put it into rhetrospect.
IF you knew exactly who was behind all these murders, lies and geneocides, would you kill them, would there BE another US CIVIL WAR.
I think , in my lifetime i will see that shit go down |
Will never happen, people don't care enough. As long as the money, food, water, etc. keeps flowing here, nobody is gonna rock the boat. Not sure they should either.
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Megalo
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 00:41 Post subject:
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I dunno Median. I think the fatcats control the intelligence very carefully so that they can keep us in the dark as long as possible.
Just something I mull over from time to time:
We vote for a President. Only, our votes really don't count. They only influence the Electoral College (a collection of other politicians) as to whom to choose.
The people who supposedly represent us, really only represent a small minority of rich, white people in the country.
When it comes down to it, we control nothing by voting.
Repubs stick their collective arm up a candidate's ass and make them talk.
Then the Dems do the same, making a similar puppet.
Then we vote on the less corrupt of the two puppets?
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lauren000
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 00:44 Post subject:
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There is a myth about how toxic uranium really is. The element is so heavy it's difficult to inhale, and the molecule is WAY too large to penetrate skin. I'm not saying you can play football with the stuff, but how toxic it really is, is blown out of proportion. A much more dangerous element is the radon isotopes which is a lot more common, it has a habit of settling in basements  .
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Megalo
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 00:48 Post subject:
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Totally off the subject, but I saw Switchblade play with London After Midnight some years ago when my hair used to be a little more black, and my boots used to be a little taller.
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median
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 00:48 Post subject:
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| Megalo wrote: | I dunno Median. I think the fatcats control the intelligence very carefully so that they can keep us in the dark as long as possible.
Just something I mull over from time to time:
We vote for a President. Only, our votes really don't count. They only influence the Electoral College (a collection of other politicians) as to whom to choose.
The people who supposedly represent us, really only represent a small minority of rich, white people in the country.
When it comes down to it, we control nothing by voting.
Repubs stick their collective arm up a candidate's ass and make them talk.
Then the Dems do the same, making a similar puppet.
Then we vote on the less corrupt of the two puppets? |
I know man i know, im just off on a rant tonight , that really upset me. But to think that for the next 70 years (probably my lifespan if all goes well), i dont think "the powers at be" will be able to maintain the kind of secrecy.
Look at how much the world has changed over the past 70 years.
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Xthos
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 01:24 Post subject:
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The sanctions against Iraq were from the UN....and if you say the US tells the UN what to do, quess we would of had their consent for the war 
The uranium shells do have problems, but they have no substitute, so the goverment isnt willing to shelf them.
The relationship with Iraq use to be one of, Iran is a greater threat, and if they were allowed to roll over Iraq, it would be one supersized/powerful radical country. So they decided to stop it, but I also believe during the 1980 war, they gave Iraq good intelligence and bad intelligence. I think we played them to a stalemate with intel.
Also the people that died, were because of Saddam, he had food for oil set up, he used the money to build new palaces, he didnt give a shit about his people. He could of easily used the money to feed them, he refused.
I dont get where you think people dont already know this shit, it is in the papers. Its not like its classified information. The United States looks out for its own intrests, just like every country in the world does. We just are the largest power at the moment, so we get more attention and scrutiny. Yeah we do underhanded/illegal stuff, but if you look at your own countries, I guarantee it does too.
The US is the largest contributor of aid to the world, so next time you throw a stone, think about what your country does to make the world a better place. Did it oppose sanctions in the UN on Iraq, after the first gulf war? If it was a European country opposed to the war, chances are you had owed debt you believed you wouldn't collect if Saddam fell, or you had back door deals for oil, aka veto war/sanctions for oil. The list goes on and on, wake up and see the evil in your own country and quit being blind and jumping on the hate US bandwagon.
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Tex
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 01:26 Post subject: Re: I learned somthing about the American Government today
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[quote="median"]The economic sanctions held against Iraq caused a death toll of over 1.5 million people, 500,000 of which were children under the age of 5[/qupte]
I guess we should just continue trade with a tyrant. I am sure America has directly caused the mass slaughter that Hussein conducted, and if it wasn't for us Iraq would have been a utopian society.
| Quote: | | -The history of US relations with Iraq/saddam, which is mostly a stuggle between a few families of oil prices. |
That made me laugh. Please tell me that you don't really believe that propaganda infested pile of shit.
| Quote: | Some time in my lifetime ( and probably your), im sure the American people will be sick of being lied to ect ect.
let the games begin |
I am sure if the country split, and the war came about which paired the conservatives vs. liberals, it would be a pretty quick battle. The conservatives would beat the living hell out of the liberals, and they would be left wondering what happened. Who needs a strong nation defense anyways?
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median
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 01:43 Post subject:
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^this is the kind of weak-minded thick-headed b******t im talking about.
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Mogling
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 01:55 Post subject:
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| median wrote: | | ^this is the kind of weak-minded thick-headed b******t im talking about. |
WTF kind of argument is that? Really, If your such a strong minded person able to sift though the b******t you could at least not insult us with a response like that, list your arguments, present the oppositions point of view and shoot it down. If you can't do at least that your worse then the people you speek so hatefuly of.
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median
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 02:07 Post subject:
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| Mogling wrote: | | median wrote: | | ^this is the kind of weak-minded thick-headed b******t im talking about. |
WTF kind of argument is that? Really, If your such a strong minded person able to sift though the b******t you could at least not insult us with a response like that, list your arguments, present the oppositions point of view and shoot it down. If you can't do at least that your worse then the people you speek so hatefuly of. |
what i mean by this hard-headedness is the total disregard for any information as propaghanda (mostly liberal p***y propaganda).
People like this are too quickly branding people and disregarding any information as viable.
its late ,and i have 2 papers due on friday , im not going to go any deeper into this right now.
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 03:21 Post subject:
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| lauren000 wrote: | | There is a myth about how toxic uranium really is. The element is so heavy it's difficult to inhale, and the molecule is WAY too large to penetrate skin. I'm not saying you can play football with the stuff, but how toxic it really is, is blown out of proportion. A much more dangerous element is the radon isotopes which is a lot more common, it has a habit of settling in basements . |
That made me laugh out loud.
| Quote: | | There is a myth about how toxic uranium really is. |
Unbelievable.
Astounding.
Man, you really do need to kill yourself. Your brain knows its malfunctioning and needs to stop working, but don't have the balls (LOL) to pull the plug. The good thing is, you made it so you could never pass your genes on.
Deep inside your defective brain, some part of it understood passing them on would weaken the race.
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 03:23 Post subject:
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| median wrote: | | ^this is the kind of weak-minded thick-headed b******t im talking about. |
LOL
canadians...
You guys are such entertainment.
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Xthos
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 07:34 Post subject:
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Quick and simple point Median, the hidden truth is in the PUBLIC PAPER every day j*****s. If you believe Canada doesnt look out for Canada first when it makes policy your the one that needs to open your eyes.
When a earthquake or other disaster hits around the world, I almost guarantee if you look at who contributes the quickest and most will be the US. I am not saying people should kiss our ass for it, but I am bringing it up, because people like to focus on the negative, and shit on the positive. It isnt good press, you would rather complain about shit.
Eduin tried this America is corrupt and secret shit before, so according to what I posted, every country looks out for itself first. So I went and looked up the Scottish paper on the net, and guess what I saw as the main topic on the front page? Corrupt goverment and policy scandal....omg....
I am 32, I do not know how old you are, but I think around 20-21, I REMEMBER in like 7th grade following the Iraq/Iraq war in the US paper. It was pretty obvious we didn't want either side to win. As soon as Iran got the upper hand we would give Iraq intelligence on where to hit Iran and where they were comming. When Iraq got the upper hand, we kinda ran out of helpful info. Yeah, Iraq used chemical weapons on Iran, Iran would line up 100,000 troops and zerg Iraq. Iraq had better equipment and it was justified due to Iran having so many more people that the chemicals were the only way to save the nation. People didn't make a big deal out of it, because we hated Iran. So we turned the cheek on the use of the weapons (and yes I know we helped supply em, I broke into the goverment and read the top secret documents the average dumb American cannot see, I guess).
The US holds a good amount of favor in the UN, but it is still the UN, and the sanctions could of been vetoed by any of the permanent members. Saddam was defiant and did not want to participate in the Oil for food program from the UN for a long time. He is the one that didn't feed or give his people medicine. He was illegally selling oil in underground pipelines, so if he really cared, he could of fed his people without the oil for food program, and easily with it.
I would guess you cannot refute any of the stuff on here, because you have to go ask your professor what to think. Yes, I have been to college, and a lot of Americans get blinded by the shit they are spoon-fed here too. If your professor showed you something, it has to be 100% true, right? Well, you have to realize, every professor has views and they will pick films and teach in a way that slants towards their views. You have to be able to take what they give you, and look past the slant.
I know and accept their is corrupt elements in society and goverment. Stuff is easy to find if you read past the b******t, and look at multiple resources. With the internet, you can read papers in other countries and educate yourself and get a clue as to what most likely happend. Find a event, then read a couple different countries reporting on it. I guarantee it will read different if its anything controversial.
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Occulis
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 07:37 Post subject:
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Citizens, myself included, have no reason to know a lot of what goes on.
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 20:41 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | | Citizens, myself included, have no reason to know a lot of what goes on. |
Nor should we care! We only live like 80 years, might as well just hope your luck holds out.
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 20:58 Post subject:
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Just going to pick apart the first idiotic statement because its the easiest.
| Quote: | The economic sanctions held against Iraq caused a death toll of over 1.5 million people, 500,000 of which were children under the age of 5
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US/UN sanctions did not kill a single Iraqi. Saddam misusing the oil for food program did. He spent the money on building new palaces, his military and other things instead of food, medicine and clothing for his people. Some money was even documented to have gone to new sports facilities. DOCUMENTED.
Saddam killed 1.5 million of his own citizens, not sanctions. Do not forget as well, that if he had complied with UN requests those sanctions would have been lifted at any time.
Are you really that stupid and ignorant? You give Canadians a bad name Median.
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Vekril
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out of curiosity, that video wasnt a documentary by Michael Moore was it? =p
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Confused
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 21:02 Post subject:
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I think what he's trying to imply is that by removing Saddam, Bush saved about 150,000 lives in Iraq since the invasion.
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| Kbarr wrote: | | median wrote: | | ^this is the kind of weak-minded thick-headed b******t im talking about. |
LOL
canadians...
You guys are such entertainment. |
Exactly why the majority of famous comedians ARE canadian.
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median
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 21:12 Post subject:
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| Vekril wrote: | | out of curiosity, that video wasnt a documentary by Michael Moore was it? =p |
no
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 21:17 Post subject: Re: I learned somthing about the American Government today
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| median wrote: | I really have to say , that this video I watched made me loose alot of respect for the U.S government , especially with the way they use their troops as guiney pigs.
Some time in my lifetime ( and probably your), im sure the American people will be sick of being lied to ect ect. |
Median, maybe the reason why some of us don't listen to you is because of nonsense statements like this. One entire video made you lose respect for the U.S. government huh? Did you actually do any research after you saw the video? Did you actually bother to THINK about what you saw in the video or did you just accept the director's opinion as fact?
I think it's more likely that you never had any respect for the U.S. government in the first place and that's why you're willing to believe any idiot that comes around spouting the crap you just posted.
You saw one video and now you're up in arms about how much the government lies to the people. I've got news for you. Nothing you posted is secret...nor is it even news anymore. It's all been in the papers before.
As for the US starving Iraqi citizens, that's classic 'Noam Choamsky' reasoning. Saddam starved his people. In fact, here's some info for you. You know all those palaces that you saw the US soldiers invading? Many of them were build AFTER the economic sanctions were in place. Saddam had money...he spent it on himself and let his people starve.
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median
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 21:17 Post subject:
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| Vekril wrote: | Just going to pick apart the first idiotic statement because its the easiest.
| Quote: | The economic sanctions held against Iraq caused a death toll of over 1.5 million people, 500,000 of which were children under the age of 5
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US/UN sanctions did not kill a single Iraqi. Saddam misusing the oil for food program did. He spent the money on building new palaces, his military and other things instead of food, medicine and clothing for his people. Some money was even documented to have gone to new sports facilities. DOCUMENTED.
Saddam killed 1.5 million of his own citizens, not sanctions. Do not forget as well, that if he had complied with UN requests those sanctions would have been lifted at any time.
Are you really that stupid and ignorant? You give Canadians a bad name Median. |
70% of Iraqi's nutritional intake was relying on imports. When the U.S setup sanctions, this food intake was cut off, killing thousands.
And lets not forget the "stratigic bombing" of the gulf war. The gulf war prooved how you could destroy an entire infustructure of a country without setting foot on the soild.
The united states would not allow medical supplies to be imported in Iraq because they beleived that chemical wepons could be made with these kinds of materials.
Im just relaying info from this film. Ill trust an independant investigative journalist over a politian any day.
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median
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 21:22 Post subject: Re: I learned somthing about the American Government today
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| Nuldaan wrote: | | median wrote: | I really have to say , that this video I watched made me loose alot of respect for the U.S government , especially with the way they use their troops as guiney pigs.
Some time in my lifetime ( and probably your), im sure the American people will be sick of being lied to ect ect. |
Median, maybe the reason why some of us don't listen to you is because of nonsense statements like this. One entire video made you lose respect for the U.S. government huh? Did you actually do any research after you saw the video? Did you actually bother to THINK about what you saw in the video or did you just accept the director's opinion as fact?
I think it's more likely that you never had any respect for the U.S. government in the first place and that's why you're willing to believe any idiot that comes around spouting the crap you just posted.
You saw one video and now you're up in arms about how much the government lies to the people. I've got news for you. Nothing you posted is secret...nor is it even news anymore. It's all been in the papers before.
As for the US starving Iraqi citizens, that's classic 'Noam Choamsky' reasoning. Saddam starved his people. In fact, here's some info for you. You know all those palaces that you saw the US soldiers invading? Many of them were build AFTER the economic sanctions were in place. Saddam had money...he spent it on himself and let his people starve. |
I agree with you that he did build thoes palaces and caused his people to starve. But there is NO WAY i will accept the fact that NOT ONE IRAQI died due to U.S trade imbargos. Its b******t.
I am aware that lots of this info is on in the news, and this is what shocks me the most, mostly with the uranium 234, is that no one gives a shit.
Noam Chomsky rocks, so f**k off.
I am not trying to take sides with saddam, I just know for a fact that the united states has stressed more "terrorist" action on Iraq than its deserved, harming the citizens, and not the government.
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 21:25 Post subject:
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If we (Canada) ever were in need of help, the U.S would be there first. I don't see what one independent film critizicing the US goverment means in the grand scheme of things, but I can gather not a damn thing.
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 21:26 Post subject: Re: I learned somthing about the American Government today
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| median wrote: |
I agree with you that he did build thoes palaces and caused his people to starve. But there is NO WAY i will accept the fact that NOT ONE IRAQI died due to U.S trade imbargos. Its b******t.
I am aware that lots of this info is on in the news, and this is what shocks me the most, mostly with the uranium 234, is that no one gives a shit.
Noam Chomsky rocks, so f**k off.
I am not trying to take sides with saddam, I just know for a fact that the united states has stressed more "terrorist" action on Iraq than its deserved, harming the citizens, and not the government. |
So what you're telling us is that Bush was wrong for saving 150,000 people? f*****g a*****e Canadian scumbag.
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