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median
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 Posted: 03/11/04 - 21:31 Post subject: Re: I learned somthing about the American Government today
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| Phoenix wrote: | | median wrote: |
I agree with you that he did build thoes palaces and caused his people to starve. But there is NO WAY i will accept the fact that NOT ONE IRAQI died due to U.S trade imbargos. Its b******t.
I am aware that lots of this info is on in the news, and this is what shocks me the most, mostly with the uranium 234, is that no one gives a shit.
Noam Chomsky rocks, so f**k off.
I am not trying to take sides with saddam, I just know for a fact that the united states has stressed more "terrorist" action on Iraq than its deserved, harming the citizens, and not the government. |
So what you're telling us is that Bush was wrong for saving 150,000 people? f*****g a*****e Canadian scumbag. |
Where did you pull this out of what i said
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Confused
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 21:33 Post subject: Re: I learned somthing about the American Government today
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| median wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: | | median wrote: |
I agree with you that he did build thoes palaces and caused his people to starve. But there is NO WAY i will accept the fact that NOT ONE IRAQI died due to U.S trade imbargos. Its b******t.
I am aware that lots of this info is on in the news, and this is what shocks me the most, mostly with the uranium 234, is that no one gives a shit.
Noam Chomsky rocks, so f**k off.
I am not trying to take sides with saddam, I just know for a fact that the united states has stressed more "terrorist" action on Iraq than its deserved, harming the citizens, and not the government. |
So what you're telling us is that Bush was wrong for saving 150,000 people? f*****g a*****e Canadian scumbag. |
Where did you pull this out of what i said |
You said Saddam killed 1,500,000 people over the past 10 years because he misspent money that came into his country. So that means so far Bush has saved about 150,000 people since the invasion a year ago. You f*****g a*****e. Go murder some babies. Pig.
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Zapper
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 21:34 Post subject:
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It's not even worht arguing with him.
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Confused
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 21:37 Post subject:
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| Zapper wrote: | It's not even worht arguing with him.
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You're just tired of losing.
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 21:42 Post subject: Re: I learned somthing about the American Government today
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| median wrote: |
Noam Chomsky rocks, so f**k off.
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After that comment, I'm pretty much through with this debate.
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median
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 21:48 Post subject: Re: I learned somthing about the American Government today
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| Nuldaan wrote: | | median wrote: |
Noam Chomsky rocks, so f**k off.
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After that comment, I'm pretty much through with this debate. |
lolz. hes a big hit at our university.
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 22:08 Post subject: Re: I learned somthing about the American Government today
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| median wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | | median wrote: |
Noam Chomsky rocks, so f**k off.
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After that comment, I'm pretty much through with this debate. |
lolz. hes a big hit at our university. |
Yeah..he was a big hit at the college I went to as well, but then so was Karl Marx. That really doesn't mean he's correct or even logical in his arguments. Colleges are typically extremely liberal, to the point where the opinions of many of my professors weren't based in reality.
It's a shame we don't teach children logic and critical thinking skills earlier. My only exposure to logic was through math and computers before college. I would have been much better off if it had been taught in grade school.
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Domination
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 22:13 Post subject:
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Uranium is not dangerous, an isotope of Uranium (235) is "radioactive" which doesn't mean its dangerous. It just means that it is very likely to split apart ie not stable.
So....... Its dangerous if you bombard a "core" of Uranium-235 with neutrons within a centrifuge (See Iran/Libya/Iraq's new Centrifuge designs courtesy of Pakistan) it will cause a chain reaction because when you bombard Uranium-235 with neutrons it splits the atom (e=mc squared bs) but when it splits it also release neutrons, so you get a compounded effect. Short story short; shoot neutrons in, uranium-235 atoms split releasing more neutrons splitting more uranium-235 atoms, yadda yadda yadda, supercritical mass, release big boom. This is your generic atom bomb - This doesn't even involve X-rays
Uranium is very dense (Uranium bullets/shells = VERY effective). Uranium is fine unless you happen to bombard it with Neutrons in a centrifuge!
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median
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 22:20 Post subject: Re: I learned somthing about the American Government today
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| Nuldaan wrote: | | median wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | | median wrote: |
Noam Chomsky rocks, so f**k off.
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After that comment, I'm pretty much through with this debate. |
lolz. hes a big hit at our university. |
Yeah..he was a big hit at the college I went to as well, but then so was Karl Marx. That really doesn't mean he's correct or even logical in his arguments. Colleges are typically extremely liberal, to the point where the opinions of many of my professors weren't based in reality.
It's a shame we don't teach children logic and critical thinking skills earlier. My only exposure to logic was through math and computers before college. I would have been much better off if it had been taught in grade school. |
Meh , call me naive, but your only young once. And lots of marxist/choamsky's ideas are really good IDEAS. I can see how they arent pratical though .
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 22:33 Post subject: Re: I learned somthing about the American Government today
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| median wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | | median wrote: | I really have to say , that this video I watched made me loose alot of respect for the U.S government , especially with the way they use their troops as guiney pigs.
Some time in my lifetime ( and probably your), im sure the American people will be sick of being lied to ect ect. |
Median, maybe the reason why some of us don't listen to you is because of nonsense statements like this. One entire video made you lose respect for the U.S. government huh? Did you actually do any research after you saw the video? Did you actually bother to THINK about what you saw in the video or did you just accept the director's opinion as fact?
I think it's more likely that you never had any respect for the U.S. government in the first place and that's why you're willing to believe any idiot that comes around spouting the crap you just posted.
You saw one video and now you're up in arms about how much the government lies to the people. I've got news for you. Nothing you posted is secret...nor is it even news anymore. It's all been in the papers before.
As for the US starving Iraqi citizens, that's classic 'Noam Choamsky' reasoning. Saddam starved his people. In fact, here's some info for you. You know all those palaces that you saw the US soldiers invading? Many of them were build AFTER the economic sanctions were in place. Saddam had money...he spent it on himself and let his people starve. |
I agree with you that he did build thoes palaces and caused his people to starve. But there is NO WAY i will accept the fact that NOT ONE IRAQI died due to U.S trade imbargos. Its b******t.
I am aware that lots of this info is on in the news, and this is what shocks me the most, mostly with the uranium 234, is that no one gives a shit.
Noam Chomsky rocks, so f**k off.
I am not trying to take sides with saddam, I just know for a fact that the united states has stressed more "terrorist" action on Iraq than its deserved, harming the citizens, and not the government. |
Idiot.
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Therros
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 23:01 Post subject:
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Trade embargos/economic sanctions are supposed to be painful. No one is saying no one died because of them. However, it was made at least 10X as severe by the fact that their leaders kept all the supplies and money that they did have, and let the people starve.
Plus, even at 150,000 a year, what percentage of those were caused by the current regime at the time there? Economic sanctions test the mettle of a country and it's people. You find out if the people have the gumption to fix things themselves. We found out Saddam was unwilling to change. We found out that everything we pretty much already knew about him was true.
You have a madman killing his people. He's in complete control and his people are so weak from years of suffering that they can't fight back. What do you do? Nothing? Definitely down sides to that. Economic sanctions? More will die but as you lower the leadership to the level of the people, it's possible that something will happen to fix the situation. Regime Change? Definitely the most radical, but when a worldwide "unorganization" of terrorsists starts a war, you take radical measures to solve it. And the fact that we're taking the fight on their land, with our marines fighting against them instead of our civilians here... I like the odds better.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 23:16 Post subject: Re: I learned somthing about the American Government today
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| median wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | | median wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | | median wrote: |
Noam Chomsky rocks, so f**k off.
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After that comment, I'm pretty much through with this debate. |
lolz. hes a big hit at our university. |
Yeah..he was a big hit at the college I went to as well, but then so was Karl Marx. That really doesn't mean he's correct or even logical in his arguments. Colleges are typically extremely liberal, to the point where the opinions of many of my professors weren't based in reality.
It's a shame we don't teach children logic and critical thinking skills earlier. My only exposure to logic was through math and computers before college. I would have been much better off if it had been taught in grade school. |
Meh , call me naive, but your only young once. And lots of marxist/choamsky's ideas are really good IDEAS. I can see how they arent pratical though . |
dude i had this idea that it would be cool if everyone was really rich and had everything they needed and was happy and could do whatever they wanted and this was all possible in the real world and then no one would have wars and the people would be like yay and then everyone would have food and a house and they could do whatever they want but no one could get mad at them for doing what they did, and then i realized karl marx had this idea already and it was retarded and killed 200 million people.
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ATM Banana
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Posted: 03/11/04 - 23:48 Post subject:
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| Zapper wrote: | It's not even worht arguing with him.
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ROFLMSO!!!! OMG HAHAHAHAAHAHA
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Jinu
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Posted: 03/12/04 - 00:53 Post subject:
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This is like football. Do you know how f****d up the lives of football players are, especially after they leave the game?
Yet you still watch, so you are endorsing the slow death physically gifted people.
Shame on you!
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Xthos
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Posted: 03/12/04 - 00:54 Post subject:
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Not all medicine was banned, maybe they made it sound that way, but they allowed stuff that could not be corrupted into wmd. You cannot have sanctions to punish someone, then let them import what you are punishing them for. Only makes sense.
Now that we have established these were UN sanctions, that Canada is a member of, why were we talking about the US solely?
Since you realized that he refused to take part in the food for oil program the UN set up, and then partially participated, but still spent the money on palaces....I guess its the US's fault? The guy wanted his people to suffer, and he didn't give a shit about them. He even sold oil illegally with underground pipelines....surely he could of bought food for his people with the added revenue....oh guess not, needed new marble at palace 10,037.
Uranium tipped armaments are most likely bad, I don't care to do a big study on them. I remember reading a article in the paper about them and the rise of cancer and such in areas where they were used and left to rot. Some goverment agencies in the US are trying to get them banned, but the military says their is no replacement for the capabilities of the shells and so they are keeping them, till they lose the battle to do so.
after all the complaining, the only real issue you have left is the Uranium shells pretty much. I will concede they are bad....The rest, everyone else participated in, or does themselves.
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Confused
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Posted: 03/12/04 - 08:37 Post subject: Re: I learned somthing about the American Government today
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Meh , call me naive, but your only young once. And lots of marxist/choamsky's ideas are really good IDEAS. I can see how they arent pratical though . |
Tell me how they good ideas? They have been tried and failed. Doesn't that make it a bad idea?
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Frax
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Location: Fuck yoiu fucking fuckers
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Posted: 03/12/04 - 09:34 Post subject: Re: I learned somthing about the American Government today
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| median wrote: | The economic sanctions held against Iraq caused a death toll of over 1.5 million people, 500,000 of which were children under the age of 5
- the uranium shells used by US tanks caused the lives of thousands of US troops and are continued to be used to get rid of nuclear waste. And the government didnt help treat their own sick soldiers
-The history of US relations with Iraq/saddam, which is mostly a stuggle between a few families of oil prices.
I really have to say , that this video I watched made me loose alot of respect for the U.S government , especially with the way they use their troops as guiney pigs.
Some time in my lifetime ( and probably your), im sure the American people will be sick of being lied to ect ect.
let the games begin |
Summary:
Median is a tool who believes in internet propaganda. I have a depleted uranium shell casing from an A-10 in my house, they are not radioactive, hence the word 'depleted'. You are just the kind of tool this misinformation is aimed at. Guess it works.
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Paco
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Posted: 03/12/04 - 09:50 Post subject: Re: I learned somthing about the American Government today
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| Frax wrote: | | median wrote: | The economic sanctions held against Iraq caused a death toll of over 1.5 million people, 500,000 of which were children under the age of 5
- the uranium shells used by US tanks caused the lives of thousands of US troops and are continued to be used to get rid of nuclear waste. And the government didnt help treat their own sick soldiers
-The history of US relations with Iraq/saddam, which is mostly a stuggle between a few families of oil prices.
I really have to say , that this video I watched made me loose alot of respect for the U.S government , especially with the way they use their troops as guiney pigs.
Some time in my lifetime ( and probably your), im sure the American people will be sick of being lied to ect ect.
let the games begin |
Summary:
Median is a tool who believes in internet propaganda. I have a depleted uranium shell casing from an A-10 in my house, they are not radioactive, hence the word 'depleted'. You are just the kind of tool this misinformation is aimed at. Guess it works. |
HOLY SHIT FRAX!! One of your balls will fall off now! I read it somewhere on the net..
Duck, and cover!
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