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Metzger
Luke Warm
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 Posted: 08/23/04 - 04:59 Post subject:
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| Quote: | Gotta love the latest ad, can't believe this is who the DNC wants to control the greatest military in the world.
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Total derailment, but something I was wondering about. Both men running for the office of Commander in Chief of what is if not the largest army in the world is certainly the most powerfull. Both men claim to be christian. One of these men has used this army to make war upon a sovereign nation, the other can hardly end it and simply bring home all the troops, tanks bombs planes to drop them etc etc.
Christian meaning a follower of Jesus Christ.. the person who said, "I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also."
Does this not make both men complete hypocrites?
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Posted: 08/23/04 - 07:59 Post subject:
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| Metzger wrote: | | Quote: | Gotta love the latest ad, can't believe this is who the DNC wants to control the greatest military in the world.
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Total derailment, but something I was wondering about. Both men running for the office of Commander in Chief of what is if not the largest army in the world is certainly the most powerfull. Both men claim to be christian. One of these men has used this army to make war upon a sovereign nation, the other can hardly end it and simply bring home all the troops, tanks bombs planes to drop them etc etc.
Christian meaning a follower of Jesus Christ.. the person who said, "I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also."
Does this not make both men complete hypocrites? |
Idiot.
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Frax
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Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Location: Fuck yoiu fucking fuckers
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Posted: 08/23/04 - 08:26 Post subject:
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| Metzger wrote: | | Quote: | Gotta love the latest ad, can't believe this is who the DNC wants to control the greatest military in the world.
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Total derailment, but something I was wondering about. Both men running for the office of Commander in Chief of what is if not the largest army in the world is certainly the most powerfull. Both men claim to be christian. One of these men has used this army to make war upon a sovereign nation, the other can hardly end it and simply bring home all the troops, tanks bombs planes to drop them etc etc.
Christian meaning a follower of Jesus Christ.. the person who said, "I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also."
Does this not make both men complete hypocrites? |
Bible thumping and realpoor mix about as well as gasoline and matches in a pyromaniacs hands. Sure they are related and one is often a necessary part of using the other... but the result is often bad.
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Wily
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Posted: 08/23/04 - 10:00 Post subject:
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Who Would Jesus Bomb?
GC’s intrepid commentator condemns hypocrisy on both sides of the extremist religious divide.
Quick memo to the good ol' folks that drive straight from church to the pro-war rally in their starred and striped S.U.V.'s:
You suck.
I'm sorry. I doubt even you would have an easy time trying to picture Christ as your supporter in the demolition of the Middle East. Christ on a tank, waving an American flag, drool coming down his chin. Christ with a machine gun. Christ with a terrified, naked man on a leash.
Lately, I've been having entertaining on-line conversations with an upstanding young man who lectures me on how bikinis are the invention of the devil, among other things, whilst the words "GEORGE W. BUSH" with a big check-mark next to them glare at me from his buddy icon.
"And for our President," he writes in a tone one usually reserves for pets and pre-schoolers, "I have such a great defense lined up, missy, that most folks can only scratch their heads!"
My knees began to knock to the beat of "Hail to the Chief," I tell you.
The thing is, I'm not a good Christian either. I'm not a good anything, really, unless you count whining and procrastination as skills. But giving a thumbs-up to the suffering of other people with one hand while holding a Communion cup in the other is in poor taste even by my standards.
Conservative Christians love to b***h about how the world's heathens continue to "misunderstand" the message of Christ, without stopping once to think about whether this misunderstanding may originate in their own behavior. There are many "meanies" in this world (such as the killers of Daniel Pearl, for example), but calling yourself Christian does not automatically place you on some sort of moral high-horse either.
An article Jerry Falwell spewed out this past winter reads something like this: "God is pro-war...Throughout the book of Judges, God calls the Israelites to go to war against the Midianites and Philistines. Why? Because these nations were trying to conquer Israel, and God's people were called to defend themselves...President Bush declared war on Iraq to defend innocent people..."
Wtf, mate?
First of all, we are obviously not worshipping the same God.
Second of all, trying to defend the war on Iraq with quotes about "God's chosen people" is b******t, because it has nothing to do with America. NOTHING. America is not the center of the f*****g universe. Trust me, I've been here for almost a decade, I ought to know. The weather's nice and the food leaves something to be desired, but the bottom line is: BUSH IS NOT THE SPOKESPERSON FOR "THE CHOSEN PEOPLE." The chosen people are too smart for this crap.
Third of all, the phrase that attempts to justify that Bush has opened this Pandora's box in an attempt to save the innocents is crossing the line from Christianity into politics.
Please, Jerry, don't be coy. You want President Bush around for the next four years so that your bloated ministry can net the donations of more Americans that are bored with spending their money on scented candles and Oprah's book club with promises of cookies in heaven for uniting against a common enemy, the heathen towel-heads. Meanwhile, every government in every chapter of every major event in this sorry planet's history has had only one thing to say regarding all of this, and that is: "f**k the innocents." Whatever makes Bush any different is a mystery.
The only thing that's "holy" about this war is the amount of times I am prompted to say "holy shit" as I read another sanctimonious diatribe about how "them camel jockeys ought to be grateful to us for even botherin' with them." Even Christopher Hitchens, proud atheist extraordinaire, is beginning to sound like an uneducated Bible-thumper from Bum-f**k, USA, as he attempts to justify Iraq.
People try to absolve all of this by pointing their fingers across the Pond and yelling, "but they're extremist too!" That's right, let's sink to the level of terrorism, only with bigger guns. Marvelous. We have come so far after September 11th, 2001. I am positively tingling with excitement for what lies ahead.
The truth is, I have little sympathy for people who pick up guns in the name of Islam. I don't care how resentful they are, murdering civilians for 72 cherries in a bordello-like heaven is disgusting. Having said that, I don't understand people's view of Islam as the one-and-only source of the tragedies that plague our existence today.
I remember some hack that went on national television during the 9/11 and said, "Well of course they attack us! Look at how free our society is! Look at how liberated our women are!"
It's funny to me now, because I have come to realize that there are a lot of Muslim women who are just as "liberated" as any American woman. They are educated, they work hard, they respect themselves, and if they don't equate **** freedom with freedom in general, it's not up to us to convince them otherwise. Personally, I don't regret the **** mistakes I made in my past, but if there are women out there who would have been faced with my choices and realized what was right, more power to them.
Yes, there are honor killings, there are forced marriages, there is abuse, there are places like Saudi Arabia (where women can't bloody drive), but the issue is not black and white, it's not "American women = happy" vs. "Middle Eastern women = unhappy." Give me a break, yo. I mean, there are plenty of Christian freaks who treat women like shit. There is my good pal, the enemy of bikinis everywhere, who treats a short skirt like a battle-cry from the devil. And, I believe, if he had a chance to do what the Saudis do, i.e. have the wearer of said short skirt arrested if not beaten, I somehow doubt he'd pass it up.
I also doubt that I could ever live in an ultra-conservative Muslim society. I was not bred for that. I am a product of the love and lust of two free-wheeling Soviets. I don't want some b***h with an AK-47 waking me up for prayer at dawn. I like my freedom to wake up late, live my life, be a louse, make mistakes and not get my throat slit for them because of some nebulous concept of "family honor" as much as the next American college student does.
But I know b******t when I smell it.
And if pro-war Christians somehow think that they are a step up from their Muslim counterparts, they are f*****g hypocrites
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Posted: 08/23/04 - 10:07 Post subject:
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f***o!!!!!!!
NICE! Think you could find one like this in your size?
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xeqer
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Posted: 08/23/04 - 10:17 Post subject: Re: I gave my $10
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I gave $50, hope they don't trace it back to this messageboard, they'll be accused of being funded by people who associate with radical liberals.
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Frax
RealPoor Master of Posts
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Location: Fuck yoiu fucking fuckers
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Posted: 08/23/04 - 10:43 Post subject:
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Wily,
Christians have wrought as much death and destruction on the human race as any other religion. Remeber the crusades?
Regards,
An Agnostic.
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