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Megalo
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 Posted: 11/02/04 - 17:06 Post subject: I am liberal scum!
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And I loves me some California!!! Gonna win in a LANDSLIDE!
Proposition 71
Stem Cell Research. Funding. Bonds.
Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute.
Establishes "California Institute for Regenerative Medicine" to regulate stem cell research and provide funding, through grants and loans, for such research and research facilities.
Establishes constitutional right to conduct stem cell research; prohibits Institute's funding of human reproductive cloning research.
Establishes oversight committee to govern Institute.
Provides General Fund loan up to $3 million for Institute's initial administration/implementation costs.
Authorizes issuance of general obligation bonds to finance Institute activities up to $3 billion subject to annual limit of $350 million.
Appropriates monies from General Fund to pay for bonds.
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Confused
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Posted: 11/02/04 - 17:08 Post subject:
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If stem cell research is so incredibly promising, why are private companies not spending hundreds of millions of dollars on it?
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Megalo
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Posted: 11/02/04 - 17:12 Post subject:
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Because government has said, up until this point (go Cali, it's your b-day), they wouldn't allow the private sector to take over.
Now that's not to say there aren't private companies, but that's a HUGE amount of $. And yes, there certainly *could* be big bucks in cloning organs/etc, but I'm not sure the public will allow that, ethically speaking.
But mainly you're talking $$$$$ to research and there's no guarantee for the private sector anywhere, yet.
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Brael
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Posted: 11/02/04 - 17:13 Post subject:
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Because obtaining stem cells sucks
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Megalo
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Posted: 11/02/04 - 17:14 Post subject:
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Speaking of big bucks..
| Quote: | | NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. stocks changed course suddenly on Tuesday as chatter on the Internet speculated that early exit polls show Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) leading the presidential election in key states. |
Anyone who's studied ECON will tell ya, the stock market can tell you many things. See, billionaires like to have their info ahead of time and usually predict outcomes.
Less and less nervous I tell ya.[/quote]
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goatface
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Posted: 11/02/04 - 17:15 Post subject:
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i read overall this could cost CA like $6 billion
hell i thought they were about broke 
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Plat4PoP
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Posted: 11/02/04 - 17:15 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | If stem cell research is so incredibly promising, why are private companies not spending hundreds of millions of dollars on it? |
They are in Europe. U.S. policies make it hard to do here for now.
I think Bush did the right thing by allowing some research to be done for the first time in history. If they have evidence showing the promise even more so now than they did when he approved it then I think he should open it up even more. I don't blame him for wanting to restrict it at first after all it goes against alot of beliefs that he and his constituants believe in.
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Megalo
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Posted: 11/02/04 - 17:16 Post subject:
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It could.
It could also wipe out billions on heathcare in a matter of years. Under 10 they say, and I watch more Discovery Heath Channel than anyone on Earth, so I'm up on the new shizzz.
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Confused
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Posted: 11/02/04 - 17:16 Post subject:
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| Megalo wrote: | Because government has said, up until this point (go Cali, it's your b-day), they wouldn't allow the private sector to take over.
Now that's not to say there aren't private companies, but that's a HUGE amount of $. And yes, there certainly *could* be big bucks in cloning organs/etc, but I'm not sure the public will allow that, ethically speaking.
But mainly you're talking $$$$$ to research and there's no guarantee for the private sector anywhere, yet. |
Nope. The correct answer is it has been overproimsed. Pharmaceutical companies spend literally billions of dollars researching individual drugs. You're saying they don't have enough money to research stem cells, but somehow a couple hundred million funded by California is promising? And people wonder why California is bancrupt.
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Megalo
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Posted: 11/02/04 - 17:19 Post subject:
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you can't even spell banKrupt correctly, but you're going to school me on stem cell research?
Put up a few facts or kindly stfu. I'm done with you Republican anus flappers.
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Confused
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Posted: 11/02/04 - 17:22 Post subject:
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| Megalo wrote: | you can't even spell banKrupt correctly, but you're going to school me on stem cell research?
Put up a few facts or kindly stfu. I'm done with you Republican anus flappers. |
I saw I mispelled it after I hit submit, but didn't bother changing it. The biggest indicator that stem cell research is not as big a deal as liberals purport it to be is that fact that there isn't much private interest in it. Markets rule all, and California is just contributing to their financial failure.
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Plat4PoP
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Posted: 11/02/04 - 17:23 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Megalo wrote: | Because government has said, up until this point (go Cali, it's your b-day), they wouldn't allow the private sector to take over.
Now that's not to say there aren't private companies, but that's a HUGE amount of $. And yes, there certainly *could* be big bucks in cloning organs/etc, but I'm not sure the public will allow that, ethically speaking.
But mainly you're talking $$$$$ to research and there's no guarantee for the private sector anywhere, yet. |
Nope. The correct answer is it has been overproimsed. Pharmaceutical companies spend literally billions of dollars researching individual drugs. You're saying they don't have enough money to research stem cells, but somehow a couple hundred million funded by California is promising? And people wonder why California is bancrupt. |
You answered your own question. There is no $$ in cures, look at the flu shot shortage....
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Megalo
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Posted: 11/02/04 - 17:23 Post subject:
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facts, anus flapper.
"Can I.......assssssss you a question?"
"Do you have a breath mint?"
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Confused
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Posted: 11/02/04 - 17:25 Post subject:
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| Plat4PoP wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Megalo wrote: | Because government has said, up until this point (go Cali, it's your b-day), they wouldn't allow the private sector to take over.
Now that's not to say there aren't private companies, but that's a HUGE amount of $. And yes, there certainly *could* be big bucks in cloning organs/etc, but I'm not sure the public will allow that, ethically speaking.
But mainly you're talking $$$$$ to research and there's no guarantee for the private sector anywhere, yet. |
Nope. The correct answer is it has been overproimsed. Pharmaceutical companies spend literally billions of dollars researching individual drugs. You're saying they don't have enough money to research stem cells, but somehow a couple hundred million funded by California is promising? And people wonder why California is bancrupt. |
You answered your own question. There is no $$ in cures, look at the flu shot shortage.... |
lol. So there's no money in organ regeneration, but there's billions of dollars to be made by allergy medication?
And a flu shot is not a "cure".
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Megalo
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Posted: 11/02/04 - 17:27 Post subject:
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"Pharms", as they're referred to in the biz, have tons of SOFT MONEY and many many lobbists.
One of the biggest industries today is "pharming".
Tough to get politicians to vote against it when it may not be all that popular to begin with, AND it gets them all sorts of free money!
Here in Cali we have the secret weapon campaining for it: Michael J. Fox! haha
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Megalo
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Posted: 11/02/04 - 17:30 Post subject:
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I saw more young kids today than I ever thought possible voting.
You can't poll for the youngins showin up to get that f****r outta the House cause most of em won't bother even answering a poll!
Like father, like son. (both one term presidents!)
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