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Confused
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 Posted: 08/20/04 - 09:15 Post subject: Hypothetical becoming reality
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| Wily wrote: | | my hypos are much more realistic and closer to actually happening than yours |
Not that anything Wily says is really worth taking into consideration, but...
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1512&u=/afp/20040818/wl_afp/iran_nuclear_us_israel_040818201404&printer=1
Iran just threatened to preemtively strike the US in order to protect its nuclear weapons program. Hopefully we take out their nuclear capability before they're able to drop a bomb on our troops. Of course if Kerry is elected, he won't respond.
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Wily
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 09:21 Post subject:
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State-by-state polls show that if the election were today, Kerry would get 316 electoral college votes — 270 are needed to win the presidency.
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Confused
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 09:36 Post subject:
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Wrong. the web site you're citing (which is currently at 301) is a left-wing propaganda machine (see their political cartoon section: http://www.electoral-vote.com/info/previous-cartoons.html). They use intentionally biased polls that favor Kerry (This web site has it as a tossup: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/election_2004.htm). Kerry had his opportuniity to boost his momentum at the democratic convention. He failed. Now the truth of his war record has come out. Bush will experience his RNC bounce in another week and Kerry will not be able to recover. Truth wins. Democrats lose.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 09:43 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical becoming reality
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Pre-emptive strikes are A-OK with us. Hell, pre-emptive war is officially called "the Bush Doctrine". What are you complaining about - they're finally adopting our values.
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Celestra
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 09:44 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical becoming reality
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| sinrakin wrote: | | Pre-emptive strikes are A-OK with us. Hell, pre-emptive war is officially called "the Bush Doctrine". What are you complaining about - they're finally adopting our values. |
haha
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Confused
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 09:46 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical becoming reality
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| sinrakin wrote: |
Pre-emptive strikes are A-OK with us. Hell, pre-emptive war is officially called "the Bush Doctrine". What are you complaining about - they're finally adopting our values. |
You're a leftist and therefore cannot understand the difference between preventing a hostile nation from threatening the world and seeking to kill millions of civilians and a nation planting the seeds of democracy where tyrants once lived. I suppose you oppose the preemtive strikes America took against Germany in WWII as well.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 09:52 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical becoming reality
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| Confused wrote: | | sinrakin wrote: |
Pre-emptive strikes are A-OK with us. Hell, pre-emptive war is officially called "the Bush Doctrine". What are you complaining about - they're finally adopting our values. |
We're right because we're the good guys, and they're wrong because they're the bad guys |
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Confused
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 09:58 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical becoming reality
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| sinrakin wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | sinrakin wrote: |
Pre-emptive strikes are A-OK with us. Hell, pre-emptive war is officially called "the Bush Doctrine". What are you complaining about - they're finally adopting our values. |
We're right because we're the good guys, and they're wrong because they're the bad guys |
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Wow. You can be taught. Now answer my question. Are you suggesting that the US should NOT have preemtively struck Germany in WWII? Are you admitting to being a nazi-sympathizer? You know you're eventually going to have to admit to your grandchildren that you were a terrorist-sympathizer in your youth. It will carry the same connotation in 50 years as nazi-sympathizer does today.
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 14:49 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical becoming reality
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| sinrakin wrote: |
Pre-emptive strikes are A-OK with us. Hell, pre-emptive war is officially called "the Bush Doctrine". What are you complaining about - they're finally adopting our values. |
He he he ...complaining?
LOL
See I told yas, iran will get spanked pretty soon, few months, couple years...sooner or later it will happen:)
I love when the person you are about to totally f**k up starts talking shit while they are within arms reach. Nothing can give that feeling of satisfaction better than reacting to big talk with a big beat down:)
Yeah, these are fun times we are living in, for sure!
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Fabulez
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 16:26 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical becoming reality
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| that article wrote: | | ...Shamkhani told Al-Jazeera TV when asked if Iran would respond to an American attack on its nuclear facilities. |
Response to an attack != preemptive strike
words mean things
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Confused
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 16:30 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical becoming reality
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| Fabulez wrote: |
| that article wrote: | | ...Shamkhani told Al-Jazeera TV when asked if Iran would respond to an American attack on its nuclear facilities. |
Response to an attack != preemptive strike
words mean things |
I agree. I am saddened that you cannot comprehend them. 
"We will not sit (with arms folded) to wait for what others will do to us. Some military commanders in Iran are convinced that preventive operations which the Americans talk about are not their monopoly"
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Fabulez
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 16:36 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical becoming reality
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| Confused wrote: | | Fabulez wrote: |
| that article wrote: | | ...Shamkhani told Al-Jazeera TV when asked if Iran would respond to an American attack on its nuclear facilities. |
Response to an attack != preemptive strike
words mean things |
I agree. I am saddened that you cannot comprehend them.
"We will not sit (with arms folded) to wait for what others will do to us. Some military commanders in Iran are convinced that preventive operations which the Americans talk about are not their monopoly" |
Let's put this into its natural flow:
Press: "Would Iran respond to an American attack on its nuclear facilities?"
Shamkhani: "We will not sit (with arms folded) to wait for what others will do to us. Some military commanders in Iran are convinced that preventive operations which the Americans talk about are not their monopoly."
I think to interpret that as "Iran just threatened to preemtively strike the US in order to protect its nuclear weapons program" takes serious liberties with language.
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Confused
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 16:39 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical becoming reality
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| Fabulez wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Fabulez wrote: |
| that article wrote: | | ...Shamkhani told Al-Jazeera TV when asked if Iran would respond to an American attack on its nuclear facilities. |
Response to an attack != preemptive strike
words mean things |
I agree. I am saddened that you cannot comprehend them.
"We will not sit (with arms folded) to wait for what others will do to us. Some military commanders in Iran are convinced that preventive operations which the Americans talk about are not their monopoly" |
Let's put this into its natural flow:
Press: "Would Iran respond to an American attack on its nuclear facilities?"
Shamkhani: "We will not sit (with arms folded) to wait for what others will do to us. Some military commanders in Iran are convinced that preventive operations which the Americans talk about are not their monopoly."
I think to interpret that as "Iran just threatened to preemtively strike the US in order to protect its nuclear weapons program" takes serious liberties with language. |
You can't be this stupid. Well..maybe you are. He was asked how they would respond. His response was a threat of preemptive strikes against the United States. He didn't say, "We will defend our nuclear facilities"...He said they would preemptively strike the US. I am taking no liberties. This is an exact quote and a literal interpretation. Understand? Please say yes.
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Fabulez
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 16:50 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical becoming reality
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| Confused wrote: | | Fabulez wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Fabulez wrote: |
| that article wrote: | | ...Shamkhani told Al-Jazeera TV when asked if Iran would respond to an American attack on its nuclear facilities. |
Response to an attack != preemptive strike
words mean things |
I agree. I am saddened that you cannot comprehend them.
"We will not sit (with arms folded) to wait for what others will do to us. Some military commanders in Iran are convinced that preventive operations which the Americans talk about are not their monopoly" |
Let's put this into its natural flow:
Press: "Would Iran respond to an American attack on its nuclear facilities?"
Shamkhani: "We will not sit (with arms folded) to wait for what others will do to us. Some military commanders in Iran are convinced that preventive operations which the Americans talk about are not their monopoly."
I think to interpret that as "Iran just threatened to preemtively strike the US in order to protect its nuclear weapons program" takes serious liberties with language. |
You can't be this stupid. Well..maybe you are. He was asked how they would respond. His response was a threat of preemptive strikes against the United States. He didn't say, "We will defend our nuclear facilities"...He said they would preemptively strike the US. I am taking no liberties. This is an exact quote and a literal interpretation. Understand? Please say yes. |
1) He didn't mention the US
2) He said "some commanders feel this way," not "it is the position of Iran that"
It's a vague threat, at best.
Here's what he would have to have said for your interpretation to not be a stretch:
"If we feel our nuclear program is threated by the US, we will be forced for our own defense to pre-emptively attack the United States."
I trust you can see the difference.
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Confused
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 17:04 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical becoming reality
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| Fabulez wrote: |
1) He didn't mention the US
2) He said "some commanders feel this way," not "it is the position of Iran that"
It's a vague threat, at best.
Here's what he would have to have said for your interpretation to not be a stretch:
"If we feel our nuclear program is threated by the US, we will be forced for our own defense to pre-emptively attack the United States."
I trust you can see the difference. |
Wow. Ok, so you sympathize with terrorists to the point that you're willing to ignore it when they say they will preemptively strike the US. Thank God you're not the president. Btw, you're a wacko. I know you agree with every one of those links you post.
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Fabulez
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 17:10 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical becoming reality
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| Confused wrote: | | Fabulez wrote: |
1) He didn't mention the US
2) He said "some commanders feel this way," not "it is the position of Iran that"
It's a vague threat, at best.
Here's what he would have to have said for your interpretation to not be a stretch:
"If we feel our nuclear program is threated by the US, we will be forced for our own defense to pre-emptively attack the United States."
I trust you can see the difference. |
Wow. Ok, so you sympathize with terrorists to the point that you're willing to ignore it when they say they will preemptively strike the US. Thank God you're not the president. Btw, you're a wacko. I know you agree with every one of those links you post. |
I attempted to correct your misinterpretation of the remarks the dude made. I didn't say anything about my views of the matter.
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Confused
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 17:17 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical becoming reality
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| Fabulez wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Fabulez wrote: |
1) He didn't mention the US
2) He said "some commanders feel this way," not "it is the position of Iran that"
It's a vague threat, at best.
Here's what he would have to have said for your interpretation to not be a stretch:
"If we feel our nuclear program is threated by the US, we will be forced for our own defense to pre-emptively attack the United States."
I trust you can see the difference. |
Wow. Ok, so you sympathize with terrorists to the point that you're willing to ignore it when they say they will preemptively strike the US. Thank God you're not the president. Btw, you're a wacko. I know you agree with every one of those links you post. |
I attempted to correct your misinterpretation of the remarks the dude made. I didn't say anything about my views of the matter. |
You didn't have to. You're reinterpreting what he said in a manner that can only be done by someone sympathetic to their cause. You're not only stupid, but you're willing to sell out America to, of all places, Iran. Be careful. You're teetering very close to Wily territory. I may have to begin dismissing every comment you make if you don't make sense soon.
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 19:16 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical becoming reality
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| Confused wrote: | | Fabulez wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Fabulez wrote: |
1) He didn't mention the US
2) He said "some commanders feel this way," not "it is the position of Iran that"
It's a vague threat, at best.
Here's what he would have to have said for your interpretation to not be a stretch:
"If we feel our nuclear program is threated by the US, we will be forced for our own defense to pre-emptively attack the United States."
I trust you can see the difference. |
Wow. Ok, so you sympathize with terrorists to the point that you're willing to ignore it when they say they will preemptively strike the US. Thank God you're not the president. Btw, you're a wacko. I know you agree with every one of those links you post. |
I attempted to correct your misinterpretation of the remarks the dude made. I didn't say anything about my views of the matter. |
You didn't have to. You're reinterpreting what he said in a manner that can only be done by someone sympathetic to their cause. You're not only stupid, but you're willing to sell out America to, of all places, Iran. Be careful. You're teetering very close to Wily territory. I may have to begin dismissing every comment you make if you don't make sense soon. |
That point was reached on the idiots first post.
And that new commercial brings a happy tear to my eye, its so beautiful!
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Fabulez
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 19:28 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical becoming reality
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| Confused wrote: | | I may have to begin dismissing every comment you make if you don't make sense soon. |
Actually you've been doing that all along. I believe the first words you ever posted in response to something I said were:
"You're ignorant."
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 19:32 Post subject:
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this isn't much more than blowhards talking - and I don't mean confused and Kbarr
This kind of language reminds me of what N Korea said about their nuclear program a few months ago...
I don't see Bush running to invade their to protect us against that portion of his Axis of Evil...
oh yeah but they don't have massive oil fields...
oh yeah they actually have nukes...
interesting things to consider
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Fabulez
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 19:33 Post subject:
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North Korea also has a history of selling arms to any and all comers.
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 19:36 Post subject:
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I guess I could go look up those inflamatory remarks made by N Korea to articulate
Or does everyone just want to stipulate to my correctness?
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Confused
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 19:41 Post subject: Re: Hypothetical becoming reality
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| Fabulez wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | I may have to begin dismissing every comment you make if you don't make sense soon. |
Actually you've been doing that all along. I believe the first words you ever posted in response to something I said were:
"You're ignorant." |
Only because the first words you posted were ignorant.
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 19:42 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | this isn't much more than blowhards talking - and I don't mean confused and Kbarr
This kind of language reminds me of what N Korea said about their nuclear program a few months ago...
I don't see Bush running to invade their to protect us against that portion of his Axis of Evil...
oh yeah but they don't have massive oil fields...
oh yeah they actually have nukes...
interesting things to consider |
They didn't fly airplanes into our buildings. They're next, though.
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 19:46 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Obmar wrote: | this isn't much more than blowhards talking - and I don't mean confused and Kbarr
This kind of language reminds me of what N Korea said about their nuclear program a few months ago...
I don't see Bush running to invade their to protect us against that portion of his Axis of Evil...
oh yeah but they don't have massive oil fields...
oh yeah they actually have nukes...
interesting things to consider |
They didn't fly airplanes into our buildings. They're next, though. |
That would be a relevant point if Iraq had.
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 19:48 Post subject:
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China can take care of NK just fine, they already have a huge problem with North Koreans entering China illegally. Some of the NK's would loot Chinese border towns and scurry back across the border. China is VERY aware of thier mentally imbalanced cousin to the north east.
Of course, this was 2 or 3 years ago when I was a little more "in the loop". I wouldnt think that it has gotten any better tho.
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 19:49 Post subject:
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| Fabulez wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Obmar wrote: | this isn't much more than blowhards talking - and I don't mean confused and Kbarr
This kind of language reminds me of what N Korea said about their nuclear program a few months ago...
I don't see Bush running to invade their to protect us against that portion of his Axis of Evil...
oh yeah but they don't have massive oil fields...
oh yeah they actually have nukes...
interesting things to consider |
They didn't fly airplanes into our buildings. They're next, though. |
That would be a relevant point if Iraq had. |
Wrong. It's very relevant. It wasn't a particular country, but a particular group of people...muslim extremists, which are rampant all across the middle east. They don't exist in North Korea. As f****d up as North Korea is, they're much more cool-headed than muslim extremists in the middle east. We need to stabalize the middle east and get it under control. That's priority #1.
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 19:51 Post subject:
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nice try confused but you lose that point
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 19:52 Post subject:
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| Rycrias wrote: | China can take care of NK just fine, they already have a huge problem with North Koreans entering China illegally. Some of the NK's would loot Chinese border towns and scurry back across the border. China is VERY aware of thier mentally imbalanced cousin to the north east.
Of course, this was 2 or 3 years ago when I was a little more "in the loop". I wouldnt think that it has gotten any better tho. |
It's sad when people immigrate to China for a better life...
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Posted: 08/21/04 - 00:13 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | | nice try confused but you lose that point |
Wrong you fool.
That is EXACTLY what is going on, but you are too much the liberal child to see it:)
You scumbag.
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