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Tav
Toomuchtimeonhands
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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 Posted: 09/18/05 - 20:21 Post subject: Hunters - Overpowered?
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Well, if hunters were never meant to be the leaders of DPS output... then yes.. they most definately are...
Full MC clearing, by the time we got to Golemagg, I was at 1.5 Million damage, while two other hunters in my guild were at 1.45 Million.
Our usual top Rogue and Mage were easily 250K in damage behind us.
So yeah... Hunters are owning. Nerf inc? I hope not.
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Zab
Sir Postalot
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Posted: 09/18/05 - 20:25 Post subject:
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owning in pve sure. stll have some work in pvp
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Yanbik
RealPoor Sensei
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Posted: 09/18/05 - 22:03 Post subject:
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i lost to a hunter twice today as a even lvl warrior!
granted both times was from retarded bugs, sure intercept and not get resisted but yet im still no where near the hunter!!
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Tav
Toomuchtimeonhands
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Posted: 09/18/05 - 22:11 Post subject:
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PvP wise... as a Night Elf with a cat with Prowl.. I find shadowmeld to be an extremely useful Ambush tool.
All but buffed up warriors can survive an Aimed Shot/Multi-shot burst from me followed by a scatter shot and another well timed Aimed shot/Multi-shot to finish them off.
Let me lay a trap and I'd say that I can walk away from a 1v1 more times than not.
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Yanbik
RealPoor Sensei
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Posted: 09/18/05 - 23:01 Post subject:
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shrug, i jumped the hunter both times.
Buggy intercept owned me both times. Granted w/ out scatter shot i wouldnt have even needed to use intercept!
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median
RealPoor Guru
Joined: 16 Oct 2002
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Location: Hamillton, Canada
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Posted: 09/19/05 - 07:19 Post subject:
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i dont have any problem killing hunters with my mage
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Bayard
Rookie
Joined: 18 Dec 2002
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Posted: 09/19/05 - 14:11 Post subject:
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One of the Hunters in my guild has the Chromaggus crossbow and he does INSANE DPS now. He was coming close to and beating Rogue DPS in some fights. (of course I have the shittiest weapons ever so that could have something to do with it.) 
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Zab
Sir Postalot
Joined: 07 Mar 2003
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Posted: 09/19/05 - 14:21 Post subject:
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biggest and most exploited flaw for hunters is the deadzone. get rid of it and i will not complain about hunters in pvp again.
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Yanbik
RealPoor Sensei
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Posted: 09/19/05 - 18:01 Post subject:
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| Zab wrote: | | biggest and most exploited flaw for hunters is the deadzone. get rid of it and i will not complain about hunters in pvp again. |
yeah i almost never lose to a hunter w/ charge, intercept, hamstring and peircing howl its almost impossible not too unless i get sweet ass bugs which seemed to be the norm the other day for me.
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Occulis
RealPoor Jedi
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Location: Moral Relativity Central
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Posted: 09/19/05 - 18:56 Post subject:
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Hunter\'s mark is annoying to rogues. 
Posted from a mobile device
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Zab
Sir Postalot
Joined: 07 Mar 2003
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Posted: 09/19/05 - 19:12 Post subject:
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| Yanbik wrote: | | Zab wrote: | | biggest and most exploited flaw for hunters is the deadzone. get rid of it and i will not complain about hunters in pvp again. |
yeah i almost never lose to a hunter w/ charge, intercept, hamstring and peircing howl its almost impossible not too unless i get sweet ass bugs which seemed to be the norm the other day for me. |
aye, they need to shorten hamstring honestly. it lasts forever and there is no way ( other than expensive potions ) to get out of it. it makes it almost impossible to win.
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Tav
Toomuchtimeonhands
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Posted: 09/19/05 - 19:14 Post subject:
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| Zab wrote: | | Yanbik wrote: | | Zab wrote: | | biggest and most exploited flaw for hunters is the deadzone. get rid of it and i will not complain about hunters in pvp again. |
yeah i almost never lose to a hunter w/ charge, intercept, hamstring and peircing howl its almost impossible not too unless i get sweet ass bugs which seemed to be the norm the other day for me. |
aye, they need to shorten hamstring honestly. it lasts forever and there is no way ( other than expensive potions ) to get out of it. it makes it almost impossible to win. |
Scatter shot... Pet Passive + Feign Death + Freeze Trap.
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General-Lund
Luke Warm
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
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Posted: 09/19/05 - 23:30 Post subject:
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Warlock owns hunters.
Belive me sir.
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Zab
Sir Postalot
Joined: 07 Mar 2003
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Posted: 09/20/05 - 07:39 Post subject:
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| Tav wrote: | | Zab wrote: | | Yanbik wrote: | | Zab wrote: | | biggest and most exploited flaw for hunters is the deadzone. get rid of it and i will not complain about hunters in pvp again. |
yeah i almost never lose to a hunter w/ charge, intercept, hamstring and peircing howl its almost impossible not too unless i get sweet ass bugs which seemed to be the norm the other day for me. |
aye, they need to shorten hamstring honestly. it lasts forever and there is no way ( other than expensive potions ) to get out of it. it makes it almost impossible to win. |
Scatter shot... Pet Passive + Feign Death + Freeze Trap. |
doesnt help when you are hamstrung as well. cant get away fast enough due to run speed being slowed
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Tav
Toomuchtimeonhands
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Posted: 09/20/05 - 11:30 Post subject:
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| General-Lund wrote: | Warlock owns hunters.
Belive me sir. |
You haven't faced any good hunters then. =/
BTW, dead Warlock pet = dead Warlock. You guys are so weak without your pets and they have s****y hitpoints.
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Tav
Toomuchtimeonhands
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Posted: 09/20/05 - 11:34 Post subject:
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| Zab wrote: | | Tav wrote: | | Zab wrote: | | Yanbik wrote: | | Zab wrote: | | biggest and most exploited flaw for hunters is the deadzone. get rid of it and i will not complain about hunters in pvp again. |
yeah i almost never lose to a hunter w/ charge, intercept, hamstring and peircing howl its almost impossible not too unless i get sweet ass bugs which seemed to be the norm the other day for me. |
aye, they need to shorten hamstring honestly. it lasts forever and there is no way ( other than expensive potions ) to get out of it. it makes it almost impossible to win. |
Scatter shot... Pet Passive + Feign Death + Freeze Trap. |
doesnt help when you are hamstrung as well. cant get away fast enough due to run speed being slowed |
20 sec trap > 15 Hamstring... get into ranged, and if you're a NE, utilize *Shadowmeld*.
I was toying with a warrior and got off 5 Freeze traps on him. Typically though, if a warrior isn't in full Might + Def gear, I usually finish them off after a 2nd Freeze trap. =/ Since the patch, I lost to one warrior once.
PvP of course is different since 1v1 is rare unless it's a ganking rogue.
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Zab
Sir Postalot
Joined: 07 Mar 2003
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Posted: 09/20/05 - 13:12 Post subject:
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| Tav wrote: | | Zab wrote: | | Tav wrote: | | Zab wrote: | | Yanbik wrote: | | Zab wrote: | | biggest and most exploited flaw for hunters is the deadzone. get rid of it and i will not complain about hunters in pvp again. |
yeah i almost never lose to a hunter w/ charge, intercept, hamstring and peircing howl its almost impossible not too unless i get sweet ass bugs which seemed to be the norm the other day for me. |
aye, they need to shorten hamstring honestly. it lasts forever and there is no way ( other than expensive potions ) to get out of it. it makes it almost impossible to win. |
Scatter shot... Pet Passive + Feign Death + Freeze Trap. |
doesnt help when you are hamstrung as well. cant get away fast enough due to run speed being slowed |
20 sec trap > 15 Hamstring... get into ranged, and if you're a NE, utilize *Shadowmeld*.
I was toying with a warrior and got off 5 Freeze traps on him. Typically though, if a warrior isn't in full Might + Def gear, I usually finish them off after a 2nd Freeze trap. =/ Since the patch, I lost to one warrior once.
PvP of course is different since 1v1 is rare unless it's a ganking rogue. |
yep
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Cardnyl
Luke Warm
Joined: 18 Jan 2004
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Location: FL
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Posted: 09/20/05 - 14:21 Post subject:
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| Zab wrote: | | biggest and most exploited flaw for hunters is the deadzone. get rid of it and i will not complain about hunters in pvp again. |
Working as inteded. As the kids on the wow boards would say, "QQ more learn to play your class".
Same thing goes for the QQ'ing of hamstring. Why do you think I recommended the shit out of scatter shot? The build I replied with in Tavs post should be more than enough means to get away from a warrior.
FD + Ice Trap
War Stomp (Taurens)
Scatter Shot
Wingclip
Deterrance + Counterattack
If you cant get someone off you with all this shit (excluding War Stomp) at your disposal something is seriously wrong. You either blow or your talent build doesnt have some or all of these at your disposal in which case you need to drop that beast mastery shit and pick up a real pvp build. Save the buttfucking pet talents for the roleplaying f**s.
P.S Little known fact, charge and intercept have the same deadzone as archery. A smart individual would think about exploiting this little tidbit by circle strafing the shit out of a warrior inside of this radius. Go check out a video in the rogue section called PvP at Rank 14 (easiest way to find the post is to search by the creator's name Exid) if you need something visually to reference.
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General-Lund
Luke Warm
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
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Posted: 09/20/05 - 18:07 Post subject:
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double post?
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General-Lund
Luke Warm
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
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Posted: 09/20/05 - 18:10 Post subject:
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| Tav wrote: |
You haven't faced any good hunters then. =/
BTW, dead Warlock pet = dead Warlock. You guys are so weak without your pets and they have s****y hitpoints. |
I've faced a lot of good hunters, like, the best on the server. Look me up sometime on Frostmane if you're ever on. 
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Psink
Toomuchtimeonhands
Joined: 30 Dec 2003
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Posted: 09/20/05 - 18:20 Post subject:
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Whoever said that 1v1 never happens obviously hadn't been to AB yet
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Tav
Toomuchtimeonhands
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Posted: 09/20/05 - 19:02 Post subject:
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| General-Lund wrote: | | Tav wrote: |
You haven't faced any good hunters then. =/
BTW, dead Warlock pet = dead Warlock. You guys are so weak without your pets and they have s****y hitpoints. |
I've faced a lot of good hunters, like, the best on the server. Look me up sometime on Frostmane if you're ever on. |
If test server was up we could go on there... I'm not saying I'm the greatest... but I've beaten a fair share of Warlocks. Then again... I guess the *average* geared hunter may not handle an *average* geared warlock so well. But then again, hunters are one of the hardest classes to actually play well.
Warlocks = Succubi Seduce + Fear + Shadowbolt... pretty much cover it?
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Zab
Sir Postalot
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Posted: 09/20/05 - 19:20 Post subject:
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FD + Ice Trap
War Stomp (Taurens)
Scatter Shot
Wingclip
Deterrance + Counterattack
dont have deterrance and couterattack yet but did take your advice and got scatter shot. ive used it a ton so far. wingclip i use as well. ill start trying to use FD/Ice Trap more. I dont go looking for fights but i like to be rdy for them.
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Yanbik
RealPoor Sensei
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Posted: 09/20/05 - 20:20 Post subject:
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i use to just melee the hunters w/ my lock, NONE expected me to melee.
Stack up my instant dots then just melee him w/ firestone, its lol
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General-Lund
Luke Warm
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
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Posted: 09/23/05 - 20:59 Post subject:
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| Tav wrote: |
Warlocks = Succubi Seduce + Fear + Shadowbolt... pretty much cover it? |
Close enough
Ohh, and I'm definatly not averaged geared... lolz
Nemesis + Felheart + Knight-Champion stuff
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Dibben
Luke Warm
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Posted: 09/24/05 - 01:26 Post subject:
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this terrible game didnt die yet? interesting
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Smackmuh
Luke Warm
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Posted: 09/24/05 - 11:50 Post subject:
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| Dibben wrote: | | this terrible game didnt die yet? interesting |
Hey look everyone, it's Grizmaster 0.35!!!
I have still seen hunters suck at dealing damage even with this patch. Some kid at my college still just sucks, I think it might be partially because he's just bad at life.
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Grizmaster
Banned Scammer
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Posted: 09/24/05 - 16:03 Post subject:
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| Smackmuh wrote: | | Dibben wrote: | | this terrible game didnt die yet? interesting |
Hey look everyone, it's Grizmaster 0.35!!!
I have still seen hunters suck at dealing damage even with this patch. Some kid at my college still just sucks, I think it might be partially because he's just bad at life. |
Hell no, it's Grizmaster 0.0001!
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Cardnyl
Luke Warm
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Posted: 09/26/05 - 12:40 Post subject:
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| Psink wrote: | | Whoever said that 1v1 never happens obviously hadn't been to AB yet |
Yep. Most smart teams leave 1-2 folks behind to prevent ninja capping. The hunters ive seen have been rocking the AB games.
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Cardnyl
Luke Warm
Joined: 18 Jan 2004
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Posted: 09/26/05 - 12:57 Post subject:
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| Zab wrote: | FD + Ice Trap
War Stomp (Taurens)
Scatter Shot
Wingclip
Deterrance + Counterattack
dont have deterrance and couterattack yet but did take your advice and got scatter shot. ive used it a ton so far. wingclip i use as well. ill start trying to use FD/Ice Trap more. I dont go looking for fights but i like to be rdy for them. |
Right now im leveling an Orc rogue template with 2 rl friends who rolled hunters. Its been my experience that they dont bother with some of the lower level shots because the damage isnt 1:1 with the mana cost. Arcane shot is a good example of this.
If your one of the wider races (orc, tauren, dwarf) youd almost be better off prefight casting a freezing trap and standing directly on it. Avoid the temptation to run > 360 spin + shoot > repeat. This should cover you against just about everything (warriors might land the charge stun but shouldnt be able to get the hamstring off) other than a rogue who is mindful of detect traps.
Im guessing the mana issues are due to solo leveling + shot inefficiency. They choose a cat from the barrens called "The Rake" his swing speed is pretty quick, like 1.5 or 1.2 or some shit. They went Pet line for the purpose of leveling. I think one of them will end up using a 31 pet line build to pvp with, the other is going 21 marks 31 survival. Neither has had mana issues but then again, 2 hunters and a rogue is alot of front load dps. We've managed to trio 2 newbie instances so far (while the stuff was still yellow to us), but im sure that will change eventually unless I start speccing subtlety for Improved Sap.
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