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Tav
Toomuchtimeonhands
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 Posted: 12/14/04 - 11:57 Post subject: Hunter - Overpowered?
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All I know is I find battles with regular mobs 2-3 levels higher simple enough.
I can usually handle 2-3 mobs of equal lvl at the same time. And in Arathi Highlands, I'm able to solo the troll elites by the Ogre caves (I'm at lvl 36).
Can all classes solo elites of equal level?
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Yanbik
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 12:10 Post subject:
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I can solo elites up to 3/4 lvls above me. Ones that are 1/2 lvls above is easy, the 3/4 lvl ones give me problems and it all depends on what type of mob it is because even w/ -60 shadow resist they can resist fear a lot.
But the reason i can solo these is because of fear. Im sure priest can or can come close to it. However i dont have a ton of dps and it takes me 4 dots being recast about 4x to kill most elites which equates to a 2+ minute fight. With the fights being so long and me having insane amounts of mana regen i can pretty much solo nonstop elites that are + or - 2 lvls of me But as i said it takes me awhile to kill them.
A lot of ppl think hunters are overpowered but I feel they dont bring much to a group other then dps so thats sorta a downside to their class.
If fear is ever nerfed ( i have a feeling it will be even if its only for pvp situations just because of all the idiots whining about it) my lvln will be slowed down a lot and be made a lot lamer. I havent used the voidwalker pet since lvl 32 im currently lvl 47. I would have to become a tank warlock and even w/ lifetaps thats still more downtime then i want. Voiwalker is such a trash pet i have 200 hp less then my tank pet, wahoo.
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Timarak
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 12:18 Post subject:
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I don't think hunters are overpowered. They do really well in PvE simply due to high dps and a tank pet. But they suck in group situations and PvP. I might retract my PvP statements if I ever run across a non newb hunter but we shall see.
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Yanbik
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 12:23 Post subject:
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Spork = newb? ;p
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Timarak
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 12:24 Post subject:
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Yes!
Was referring to alliance f**s. Haven't dueled Spork yet because he has been 10+ levels higher than me since deleted and rerolled.
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Tav
Toomuchtimeonhands
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 12:36 Post subject:
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PvP? I can't say much about PvP.
But what I can say is at 33, I handled a 31 rouge and 31 Warlock pretty easily.
I think the only classes that would give me probs are Shamans and possibly mages (sheep on pet!).
Oh, and another thing... "Feign Death" works on PvP. I've feign'd. Popped back up, and sniped fools as they run off in glee after thinking they killed me. 
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Occulis
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 12:37 Post subject:
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I'm 20 shaman and can kill lvl 24 critters without using potions. Adds will ruin me tho. Normal fights (level 18-21 mobs) I can take 2 at once but it takes a few seconds to recover from.
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Tuucan-sam
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 12:38 Post subject:
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| Yanbik wrote: | I can solo elites up to 3/4 lvls above me. Ones that are 1/2 lvls above is easy, the 3/4 lvl ones give me problems and it all depends on what type of mob it is because even w/ -60 shadow resist they can resist fear a lot.
But the reason i can solo these is because of fear. Im sure priest can or can come close to it. However i dont have a ton of dps and it takes me 4 dots being recast about 4x to kill most elites which equates to a 2+ minute fight. With the fights being so long and me having insane amounts of mana regen i can pretty much solo nonstop elites that are + or - 2 lvls of me But as i said it takes me awhile to kill them.
A lot of ppl think hunters are overpowered but I feel they dont bring much to a group other then dps so thats sorta a downside to their class.
If fear is ever nerfed ( i have a feeling it will be even if its only for pvp situations just because of all the idiots whining about it) my lvln will be slowed down a lot and be made a lot lamer. I havent used the voidwalker pet since lvl 32 im currently lvl 47. I would have to become a tank warlock and even w/ lifetaps thats still more downtime then i want. Voiwalker is such a trash pet i have 200 hp less then my tank pet, wahoo. |
No, priest's solo elites horribly.
Our fear is not single target, it's PBAOE. the issue comes with the recast, if it is resisted, we have to shield, most elites rip through shield forcing us to wait for the cooldown while healing ourself, then we're oom.
I am a pure shadowpriest, it takes all my mana and a good % of my HP to solo elites, even 10 levels below it takes alot of mana.
Now i may not have perfected my strat, and i am still ironing out my gear.
i want spirit to be higher than int, and atm that forces me a lower mana pool. With spirit tap however, i can regen a helluva lot of mana after a fight and keep on trucking, once i get it to where after tap i'm at 600ish spirit..i'll be good to go and able to up my mana pool.
Being full shadow has its advantage, my DPS is getting wicked, pumping out roughly 500 damage every 3 seconds in shadowform with mindflay+SW:P. I can keep it up for a hell of a long time, mindflay is an extremely effecient spell.
That however, doesnt work when solo'ing due to the fact mindflay is channeled, if i wanted that to work i have to shield, which means i waste mana.
So, after allllllll that being said, i solo elites like shit. I solo normal mobs however, pretty g*****n quickly.
Once i upgrade my gear some more, get some +shadow damage items i'll be better off. i wish fear talent made the recast instant, however we would be a bit too powerful =p.
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Yanbik
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 12:45 Post subject:
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shrug i just remember spork soloing elites in ob maybe he had some lewt hax
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Occulis
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 13:04 Post subject:
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or maybe he places erect penises in his mouth
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Yanbik
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 13:09 Post subject:
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MAYBE
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Malik
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 13:38 Post subject:
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| Yanbik wrote: | | shrug i just remember spork soloing elites in ob maybe he had some lewt hax |
I could solo elites in OB as priest, but not elites ABOVE my level.
Hunters are not overpowered. Sure we are good at solo PvE but that's stated right in WoW site class description. At lower levels it does seem that hunters are godly, but 40+ it starts to even out. Hell, the first L60 in the game was a ROGUE!
One thing I do hate though is the "hunters dont bring anything to groups" b******t. That's so false it's not even funny.
-Great DPS. On par with rogues when you add hunters+pet, etc.
-Great pullers. With tracking I can see mobs for miles, what's around corners, where the named mobs are, how many i'm going to get when I pull. With traps I can root a mob to cut down adds or drop an imo trap for extra dmg.
-Good crowd control. Pet = expendible tank. Dont care if he dies. He can tank adds and keep them busy for a good amount of time while rest of party kills other mobs.
-Amazing argo control. This will be a big one in raids IMO. Unlike other DPS classes I can pump out a shitload of dmg and if I pull hate I can just feign death and wipe my hate to 0 instantly.
Sorry Tim, while rogue may wtfpwn in PvP, I still think hunters bring more to an instance group then rogues do ;P
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Cellen
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 14:10 Post subject:
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| Timarak wrote: | | I don't think hunters are overpowered. They do really well in PvE simply due to high dps and a tank pet. But they suck in group situations and PvP. I might retract my PvP statements if I ever run across a non newb hunter but we shall see. |
I keep hearing about how hunters suck in groups. Is everybody just grouping with retarded hunters? Hunter pets are great for tank mezzing in dungeons. Did Gnomeregan last night with Druid, Paladin, Warrior and Hunter. The hunter pulls and pet tanks an add. Using this system we were regularly able to take an elite robochicken or tank plus 7 to 9 non-elite leper gnomes without issue. What is it that makes people think hunters suck in groups? Lack of buffs or groups-specific benefits? Or is it just that it's so easy to solo that people have no idea how to function in a group? Cause I see a lot of that across all classes.
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Zagarash
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 14:25 Post subject:
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With a priest, I can solo silver elites of 3-4 levels higher without any problem. Same goes with regular mobs. Problems arise at more than 4 levels with too many resists on nukes, however, it's doable, especially with caster mobs and their low hp's.
On golden elites... I can do up to my level easily (37) if they are casters. If they're melee, or if they have funky abilities, the possibility drops dramatically. For example, I tried Witherbark Berserkers (36-37) in Arathi. It was doable. It was not worth it though, as it would take me 2 potions, engineered pet and various doodads for less exp than I would get soloing regular mobs (more kills in less time). However, if I have to do it and no one else is there to help (quest mob), yeah, I'll do it.
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Occulis
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 14:28 Post subject:
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or maybe u just suck
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xammer99
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 18:07 Post subject:
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I don't think hunters are at all over powered and I do think they bring a lot to groups. Hell I love to have'em along. As was said above, they just bring so much and are one of the good CC classes.
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ashwynd
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 19:38 Post subject:
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If I had a way to reset instances solo, I'd farm SM armory/cathedral myself for 500 or so exp per kill non rested + around 7 silver per kill (I can handle 2 37-38 elites at once at 42, but I'm 43 now). We're a solo class, we're meant to fight mobs 2-3 levels above us. ANY class can do it, we just do it more efficiently than some. If you think hunter is overpowered in that respect, go check out a warrior, rogue, priest or shaman
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GruntingCod
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 19:41 Post subject:
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| ashwynd wrote: | | If I had a way to reset instances solo, I'd farm SM armory/cathedral myself for 500 or so exp per kill non rested + around 7 silver per kill (I can handle 2 37-38 elites at once at 42, but I'm 43 now). We're a solo class, we're meant to fight mobs 2-3 levels above us. ANY class can do it, we just do it more efficiently than some. If you think hunter is overpowered in that respect, go check out a warrior, rogue, priest or shaman |
Eh, I would go for Shaman and Paladin as most overpowered. They are the most played out of any class on most servers if you check out the cosmos census tool. Then I would say Rogue, Hunter, Warrior then Preist.
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stickynutz
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 19:50 Post subject:
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They all have thier ups and thier downs, hunters might be able to solo mobs over 4 levels higher, but if your exp farmin thats not the way to go anyways, as a mage at 44 it takes me about 8 seconds to kill a level 40, but probably 16 seconds to kill a level 47 and takes much more mana. 47's give about 300 exp 40's give 200, so i kill 2 40's in the time it takes me to kill one 47 and i get much more exp *shrug*. I'm sure hunters have the same thing going for them.
The only class that i think should be nerffed is shamans, just because they rape pure spell casters like myself in duels. There's not a thing i can think of to do to them to let me win. But from my understanding paladins can kick the crap out of a shaman and so can warlocks so I geuss it all balances out.
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stickynutz
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 19:51 Post subject:
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Chloe! Ohh wait or is that regan?
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GruntingCod
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 20:21 Post subject:
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| stickynutz wrote: | | GruntingCod wrote: | | |
Chloe! Ohh wait or is that regan? |
I belive you were right the first time... Haven't had a membership in ages. I need to get one but I have been to busy with WoW to beat it. 8o\
Ill prolly remember next time I go to a party and theres a bunch of SG girls flaunting and promoting haha. (Bay area = packed w/ them)
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Neclon
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 20:51 Post subject:
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Hunter are not overpowered. They have ranged DPS and an annoying pet, and are probably most effective at sissy tactics where they sick pet on you and only turn to fire if you try to attack the pet.
That's where people will whine in PvP. For PvE they're not overpowered. I haven't seen a well-played class that can't take something +2 or +3 levels above it fairly easily. They get the most downtime for their efforts if they overreach (pet dies you gota rez it and feed it to make it happy).
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Banzai
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 21:07 Post subject:
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Hunter pet +20 vs Citrus
This will also make your pet happy.
-8 AGI
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stickynutz
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Posted: 12/16/04 - 18:28 Post subject:
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Solo'd a elite 2 levels over me last night that was a trip, took 4 tries.
(The treeant elites in Feralas)
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atarom
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Posted: 12/16/04 - 20:37 Post subject:
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lol the citrus helmet looks like an orc with that big red helmet that all the 30+ warriors have
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Cryz
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Posted: 12/17/04 - 10:48 Post subject:
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in pvp hunter is over powered
in solo pve they are prolly balanced...
for the horde...in group pve they are underpowered...
PVP: 2 types of snare, range and melee, increased run speed, hp dots... mana draining dots (fast acting) crazy ranged DPS if target is paying attention to pet...... oh... did i forget tracking? =P
PVE... well... its really simple =p
Horde Group PVE... now underpowered is a strong word... but in comparison to the other classes i can take into my group... one i would use... i would rather have 3 warriors than 2 and a hunter... now alliance phags wont understand this since they dont have shamans =P but quickly, a certain shaman totem makes warriors much > dps than hunters and warriors can tank better than the hunter pets
now im sure for alliance the hunter isent so bad in groups in comparison to their place in the horde... and i find it pretty cool that the 2 sides can be so different 
now that that is all aside... i will mention i have 2 hunter pets that i am with almost all the time (Natalie and Gremio) and as the bad ass warrior that i am... we as a trio can f**k shit up till the break up dawn.... mainly because the majority of alliance dont know how to play the game worth a damn =P the best 1 on 1 pvp fight i have ever had to date was with a lvl 37 dwarf priest.. im a 54 orc warrior... but it was refreshing to find an alliance that knew how to play the game even with my 2 forms of fear immunity he was able to survive at least 3 minutes... and if he was 40 with a steed... i garuntee he would have escaped...
i wish i could remember his name so i could tell one of you guys to msg him for me saying GG no re-match... but... i cant =\
now keep in mind i havent run into alot of 1 on 1's where an alliance didnt just stay on their steed untill i killed them.... like when i killed ashenor i had nat with me so i wouldnt call that a good fight... im sure one on one him being a hunter and a teveril... he would at least get me to half hps ^_^
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stickynutz
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Posted: 12/17/04 - 11:56 Post subject:
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Your wrong about hunters being over powerd. PvP, you cannot run away from a hunter that wants to kill you that is for sure (unless you sheep them sit down have a snack infront of them then walk off like i do) However if they ever take on somone who is an equal level they are not overpowerd. I have NO problem whatsoever fighting a hunter as a mage its really quite easy. Other classes do just fine also, paladins can fight them shamans can fight them, hell even warriors have a chance vs a hunter.
"PVP: 2 types of snare, range and melee, increased run speed, hp dots... mana draining dots (fast acting) crazy ranged DPS if target is paying attention to pet...... oh... did i forget tracking? =P "
Mages have higher ranged dps, hunters melee dps is not equal to rogue melee dps. Snare is only usefull vs some classes. Mana draining dots? Ha at my level i've got 4k mana if you want to take 8 seconds to drain not even 1/4th of that mana the fight will be over already. Paladins and shamans dont hardly need or use thier mana vs hunters, this might be a burdin to some other classes, Warlocks just fear you then suck on thier pets if they like Ohh and vs a warlock your pet is useless as a hunter. Vs a mage i'll poly you first thing sit down have a snack kill your pet re poly you have another snack then its me vs you w/out your pet.
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Natalie
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Posted: 12/17/04 - 20:31 Post subject:
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Sticky must have god mode on! I've not yet had a problem in PvP vs any other class....the only class I hate fighting is rogues, but only because its a pain in the ass if they jump me before I see them. If I see them first, they die just as quickly as the casters...and all the other alliance.  Paladins are a b***h too though, but only because they have that DA, which gives them a slightly longer lifespan. =P
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ashwynd
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Posted: 12/17/04 - 23:32 Post subject:
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Cryz, how in god's name does a shaman + hunter's dps end up less than a shaman + warrior? With a shaman using air totem, I crit almost every other hit in the 400's vs. elite mobs of the same level currently. Am I missing something? Also, Nat, why did you join that gay guild? (you're in circle noir right?)  They were such douches in beta and on TZ in EQ. I wish we were all on the same server.
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Ruyen
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Posted: 12/18/04 - 06:21 Post subject:
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I have no problems getting groups as a lvl 40 troll hunter. I am about to respec though, and go Marksmenship, used Pet spec to solo easier. Almost got banned tonight though =x, gg instance exploit.
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