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xammer99
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Occulis
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I didn't read the article or anything, but all those guys are crazy (republicans/democrats) who are just too (stupid/insane) to know what's going on in the real world. And that's exactly why Abi-whatever and Vekril are right, because gay jewish such-and-such's have finally mastered the art of random ganabulation, to the point where whogivesashits are willing to die for it. The end.
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 01/07/05 - 01:07 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | During his announcement, Rosenberg urged Democrats to "imagine a party that is talking to America not just in English, but in Spanish -- and sees the exurbs, the South and rural America not as places to run from, but as places in which to run and win." |
Am I the only one bothered by statements like this?
As for the Democrats, after putting Kerry up for election, nothing they do surprises me anymore. 
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Nictathan
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Posted: 01/07/05 - 01:25 Post subject:
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| Nuldaan wrote: | | Quote: | | During his announcement, Rosenberg urged Democrats to "imagine a party that is talking to America not just in English, but in Spanish -- and sees the exurbs, the South and rural America not as places to run from, but as places in which to run and win." |
Am I the only one bothered by statements like this?
As for the Democrats, after putting Kerry up for election, nothing they do surprises me anymore. |
Very bothered by it...
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Posted: 01/07/05 - 10:39 Post subject:
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| Nuldaan wrote: | | Quote: | | During his announcement, Rosenberg urged Democrats to "imagine a party that is talking to America not just in English, but in Spanish -- and sees the exurbs, the South and rural America not as places to run from, but as places in which to run and win." |
Am I the only one bothered by statements like this?
As for the Democrats, after putting Kerry up for election, nothing they do surprises me anymore. |
We democrats need to rethink alot of our strategies, talking in spanish as well as English is not one of them.
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Frax
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Posted: 01/07/05 - 10:58 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | | Quote: | | During his announcement, Rosenberg urged Democrats to "imagine a party that is talking to America not just in English, but in Spanish -- and sees the exurbs, the South and rural America not as places to run from, but as places in which to run and win." |
Am I the only one bothered by statements like this?
As for the Democrats, after putting Kerry up for election, nothing they do surprises me anymore. |
We democrats need to rethink alot of our strategies, talking in spanish as well as English is not one of them. |
Getting a clue is the democratic party's first step. They are so out of touch with everyday americans, its like they are still in the 1960s or something. The american people are much more conservative in their everyday lives than the democratic party is, which is why they have been getting hammered in the last few major elections. The war issue and the Demo's changing their opinion on it with every shift in the political winds killed them back in November. That and GWB is just a much stronger leader than most could imagine Kerry ever being.
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Abi
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Posted: 01/07/05 - 12:36 Post subject:
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please see all my post election posts where I said all of this already 
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quotison
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Posted: 01/07/05 - 13:11 Post subject:
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Well if Democrats are so out of touch and irrelevant, then I see no reason to be bothered by anything they say.
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Frax
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Posted: 01/07/05 - 13:22 Post subject:
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| quotison wrote: | | Well if Democrats are so out of touch and irrelevant, then I see no reason to be bothered by anything they say. |
You miss the point. They go far out of their way to cater to every single minority, cause, victim, issue.. that they don't have a message anyone can relate to. Sure they get the black vote, but maybe the gay liberals in NYC don't like blacks? So they lose some gay votes that way, and some black votes by trying to get the gay vote, and so on. It's a catch-22. You can't be all things to all people.
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Abi
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Posted: 01/07/05 - 13:35 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | quotison wrote: | | Well if Democrats are so out of touch and irrelevant, then I see no reason to be bothered by anything they say. |
You miss the point. They go far out of their way to cater to every single minority, cause, victim, issue.. that they don't have a message anyone can relate to. Sure they get the black vote, but maybe the gay liberals in NYC don't like blacks? So they lose some gay votes that way, and some black votes by trying to get the gay vote, and so on. It's a catch-22. You can't be all things to all people. |
what a prolific statement fraxypoo!
GOLD STAR FOR YOU!
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quotison
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Posted: 01/07/05 - 14:47 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | quotison wrote: | | Well if Democrats are so out of touch and irrelevant, then I see no reason to be bothered by anything they say. |
You miss the point. They go far out of their way to cater to every single minority, cause, victim, issue.. that they don't have a message anyone can relate to. Sure they get the black vote, but maybe the gay liberals in NYC don't like blacks? So they lose some gay votes that way, and some black votes by trying to get the gay vote, and so on. It's a catch-22. You can't be all things to all people. |
I'm sure if Democrats didn't 'cater' to gays (i.e join Republicans by limiting their rights in the constitution) they might get more votes from those who are socially conservative. However, I don't see a GOP-lite party being of much benefit. I know Democrats becoming a clone of Republicans is beneficial to you, but it is not beneficial for Democrats.
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xammer99
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Posted: 01/07/05 - 15:32 Post subject:
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The most apt definition of insanity is “Trying the same thing over and over again and expecting the results to be different”. This is the Democratic Party’s problem. It has been running on LBJ’s Great Society for 40 years now, which was the descendant of FDR’s New Deal from 30 years before that. So you have a party which has been trying the same shit for 70 years and kept the same message for the last 40 of it and its done nothing but fail. Unless you measure success by how many new government assisted living applicants you got or the failure rate of public schools despite ever increasing amounts of money poured into it. Yet the Democratic Party’s leadership does see this as success apparently because they want to keep doing the same damn thing and its leader, Terry MacAuliffe is the head of it. Instead of going for some of the younger folks with newer ideas like Donna Brazilla, the Lady from Arkansas whose name I forget, Tom Vilsak, or even a loony like Dean, you got people wanting to stick with the same tired old thing.
Then there are just the purely pragmatic aspects. The man has failed miserably in the last 3 major elections and in 1 of’em set a historical record for losing House and Senate seats in a mid term election. Granted though, the man can raise the money, and may be that’s it, but damn…MacAuliffe has screwed the pooch yet people want to keep him in power. Just weird.
As for trying to be the party for every body…well that’s what happens when you are a party composed so heavily of minorities groups. You have to play that game if you want to keep your base. But in doing so it is the Catch 22, you are gonna drive away the fringes such as the more conservative gays and racial minorities, as well as Whites who don’t like the message. Is there a solution to this for the Democratic Party? Dunno, but may be its time for the Democratic Party to try something new…its not like things could get much worse.
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kbarr
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Posted: 01/07/05 - 16:16 Post subject:
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| Nictathan wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | | Quote: | | During his announcement, Rosenberg urged Democrats to "imagine a party that is talking to America not just in English, but in Spanish -- and sees the exurbs, the South and rural America not as places to run from, but as places in which to run and win." |
Am I the only one bothered by statements like this?
As for the Democrats, after putting Kerry up for election, nothing they do surprises me anymore. |
Very bothered by it... |
Bothered? LOL, I'm planning ahead for it.
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Silvermouse
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I don't speak Spanish, nor should I ever have to learn Spanish. The fact that we actually force many teachers to speak Spanish is a joke. If we cater to people speaking only Spanish, they have less of an incentive to learn English.
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 01/07/05 - 22:27 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | | Quote: | | During his announcement, Rosenberg urged Democrats to "imagine a party that is talking to America not just in English, but in Spanish -- and sees the exurbs, the South and rural America not as places to run from, but as places in which to run and win." |
Am I the only one bothered by statements like this?
As for the Democrats, after putting Kerry up for election, nothing they do surprises me anymore. |
We democrats need to rethink alot of our strategies, talking in spanish as well as English is not one of them. |
I wasn't really talking about Democrats with that question. I was referencing the ongoing trend in this country to accomodate people who make little to no effort to become a part of our society when they move here.
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scrotum
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Posted: 01/08/05 - 05:41 Post subject:
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| xammer99 wrote: | | The man has failed miserably in the last 3 major elections and in 1 of’em set a historical record for losing House and Senate seats in a mid term election. Granted though, the man can raise the money, and may be that’s it, but damn…MacAuliffe has screwed the pooch yet people want to keep him in power. Just weird. |
One thing is for damn sure. The dollar is at its weakest point in a LONG ass time. The deficit is also beating records. More and more people are hating america and its ways. Seems like nothing is going the right way for Bush. Historical records....failed miserably....lol
| xammer99 wrote: | | Dunno, but may be its time for the Democratic Party to try something new…its not like things could get much worse. |
Hell no, it can not.
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 01/08/05 - 05:57 Post subject:
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| scrotum wrote: | | xammer99 wrote: | | The man has failed miserably in the last 3 major elections and in 1 of’em set a historical record for losing House and Senate seats in a mid term election. Granted though, the man can raise the money, and may be that’s it, but damn…MacAuliffe has screwed the pooch yet people want to keep him in power. Just weird. |
One thing is for damn sure. The dollar is at its weakest point in a LONG ass time. The deficit is also beating records. More and more people are hating america and its ways. Seems like nothing is going the right way for Bush. Historical records....failed miserably....lol |
Okay...what exactly does George Bush have to do with this post again? Xammer was talking about the Democrats and their continuing intellectual elitism that is costing them elections.
My god, if you people have something intelligent to say, say it. If you don't have anything to say ABOUT THE TOPIC, don't post anything. We know that some of you dislike Bush. We get it. You don't need to post it in every single political topic. FFS, you people are worse than Kbarr and Paco. At least they're aware that they are just acting like assclowns.
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scrotum
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Posted: 01/08/05 - 06:07 Post subject:
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| Nuldaan wrote: | | scrotum wrote: | | xammer99 wrote: | | The man has failed miserably in the last 3 major elections and in 1 of’em set a historical record for losing House and Senate seats in a mid term election. Granted though, the man can raise the money, and may be that’s it, but damn…MacAuliffe has screwed the pooch yet people want to keep him in power. Just weird. |
One thing is for damn sure. The dollar is at its weakest point in a LONG ass time. The deficit is also beating records. More and more people are hating america and its ways. Seems like nothing is going the right way for Bush. Historical records....failed miserably....lol |
Okay...what exactly does George Bush have to do with this post again? Xammer was talking about the Democrats and their continuing intellectual elitism that is costing them elections.
My god, if you people have something intelligent to say, say it. If you don't have anything to say ABOUT THE TOPIC, don't post anything. We know that some of you dislike Bush. We get it. You don't need to post it in every single political topic. FFS, you people are worse than Kbarr and Paco. At least they're aware that they are just acting like assclowns. |
Oh, people on RP always post about the topic? LOL
Shut the f**k up. You do know I'll do whatever the f**k I want to, don't you?
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Frax
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Posted: 01/08/05 - 08:26 Post subject:
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| scrotum wrote: | | xammer99 wrote: | | The man has failed miserably in the last 3 major elections and in 1 of’em set a historical record for losing House and Senate seats in a mid term election. Granted though, the man can raise the money, and may be that’s it, but damn…MacAuliffe has screwed the pooch yet people want to keep him in power. Just weird. |
One thing is for damn sure. The dollar is at its weakest point in a LONG ass time. The deficit is also beating records. More and more people are hating america and its ways. Seems like nothing is going the right way for Bush. Historical records....failed miserably....lol
| xammer99 wrote: | | Dunno, but may be its time for the Democratic Party to try something new…its not like things could get much worse. |
Hell no, it can not. |
Keep up all that hate, it keeps us warm at night thinking that people like you worry so much about us.
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Frax
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Posted: 01/08/05 - 08:30 Post subject:
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| quotison wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | quotison wrote: | | Well if Democrats are so out of touch and irrelevant, then I see no reason to be bothered by anything they say. |
You miss the point. They go far out of their way to cater to every single minority, cause, victim, issue.. that they don't have a message anyone can relate to. Sure they get the black vote, but maybe the gay liberals in NYC don't like blacks? So they lose some gay votes that way, and some black votes by trying to get the gay vote, and so on. It's a catch-22. You can't be all things to all people. |
I'm sure if Democrats didn't 'cater' to gays (i.e join Republicans by limiting their rights in the constitution) they might get more votes from those who are socially conservative. However, I don't see a GOP-lite party being of much benefit. I know Democrats becoming a clone of Republicans is beneficial to you, but it is not beneficial for Democrats. |
Who said have democrats become republicans? They just need to define themselves instead of pandering to everyone who whines about their own pet issue. Become the black party or something. The Gay party. Whatever. They have no message that resonates with most americans. I'd be willing to wager 10-15% of the vote kerry got was actually just an anti-bush vote, those people would have gladly voted for bush w/o the Iraq war.
Too late on the hispanic vote tho I think, and the republicans are being very smart about this... Hispanics are going to pass blacks as the largest minority in this country, and guess what, they are mostly conservative religous types.
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quotison
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Posted: 01/08/05 - 12:15 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | I'd be willing to wager 10-15% of the vote kerry got was actually just an anti-bush vote, those people would have gladly voted for bush w/o the Iraq war. |
You mean there wasn't any <a href="http://www.swiftvets.com/">Anti-Kerry</a> vote? A reelection campaign is a referandum on the incumbent- I'm sure there was more anti-Bush votes then anti-Kerry votes (the latter is not equal to zero, however)- what would you expect when one person has been the president already for four years, and the other hasn't? I'm not sure why this is keep being brought up, are votes against Bush via Kerry not real votes? In some parallel universe, there might be an anti-war Bush that got 65% of the popular vote, it is not this universe, however.
Like I mentioned before, there's no reason for Democrats to become the 'gay' party or the 'black' party. Republicans didn't have to become the Falwell party to win or the psuedo-libertarian party. Republicans appealed to many different groups with a '50 State' plan, and had a message, and you insist the Democrats should be a one-issue party. Obviously, Democrats aren't doing a good job at getting out a cohesive 'message', but improving things like that involves new leaders for our party (as Xammer mentioned), not changing stances on issues.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 01/08/05 - 15:41 Post subject:
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| scrotum wrote: | | xammer99 wrote: | | The man has failed miserably in the last 3 major elections and in 1 of’em set a historical record for losing House and Senate seats in a mid term election. Granted though, the man can raise the money, and may be that’s it, but damn…MacAuliffe has screwed the pooch yet people want to keep him in power. Just weird. |
One thing is for damn sure. The dollar is at its weakest point in a LONG ass time. The deficit is also beating records. More and more people are hating america and its ways. Seems like nothing is going the right way for Bush. Historical records....failed miserably....lol
| xammer99 wrote: | | Dunno, but may be its time for the Democratic Party to try something new…its not like things could get much worse. |
Hell no, it can not. |
This thread wasn't about Bush.
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| scrotum wrote: | | xammer99 wrote: | | The man has failed miserably in the last 3 major elections and in 1 of’em set a historical record for losing House and Senate seats in a mid term election. Granted though, the man can raise the money, and may be that’s it, but damn…MacAuliffe has screwed the pooch yet people want to keep him in power. Just weird. |
One thing is for damn sure. The dollar is at its weakest point in a LONG ass time. The deficit is also beating records. More and more people are hating america and its ways. Seems like nothing is going the right way for Bush. Historical records....failed miserably....lol
| xammer99 wrote: | | Dunno, but may be its time for the Democratic Party to try something new…its not like things could get much worse. |
Hell no, it can not. |
This is a perfect example of where the democrats problem lies. While scrotum or whatever may not be a dem/lib he shares a similar attitude that most of those 2 parties have in common. They lack a will to proceed with issues. Conservatives and most Americans nowdays are concerned about 1 thing and 1 thing only, and thats to move foward as a nation and as a world. When people see complaining and bitter words spat back and fourth all day and honestly all year-round on the TV about how bad things are and how unfair these elections are they get a bad taste in their mouths. If people want to see drama they'll watch jerry springer, but something has got to give with the antiamerica-bandwagon thats about to derail itself because its gotten so out of hand. America has made mistakes just as human-nature is in fact flawed... That does not mean however that just because afew are jumping up and down screaming that they are the majority. I think the democrats are going to learn this slowly but surely in the next few years.
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