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Occulis
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 Posted: 11/19/03 - 17:12 Post subject: How much of a difference can 1 GM make?
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GM events.
If one paid SOE employee spent 1 hour per server, for 7 servers per day, 5 days a week...
Wouldn't customer satisfaction shoot through the roof?
Or would people just b***h more?
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Renork
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 17:20 Post subject:
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i think that would make a big difference, when was the last time there was a REAL gm event? other than halfling diving contests and crap like that
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Paden
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 17:22 Post subject:
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GM events were awsome.
Like a few years back on Halloween. A shit load of zones got revamped for the events.
It was cool.
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Renork
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 17:22 Post subject:
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its the small stuff that takes the game from good to great
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Sakii
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 17:33 Post subject: yeah...
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But SoE wants us to play EQ2
f**k EQ2 ill never put 200 played days into another game....
Hankie (retired warranger) 72 played days
Sakii 67 played days
Kenoldar 56 played days
Other alts....who knows
not including traderbots
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Occulis
RealPoor Jedi
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 17:35 Post subject:
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The only GM event I've seen was in NRo. Occulis was only level 29 or something at the time, but people in guild chat started shouting "omg omg GM event". I gated down there and there were literally 200 people attacking a s****y desert madman NPC named "Lex McGuinnes" or something.
I somehow got the xp and killshot (maybe because they were all level 4 and he was 24), looted some s****y doll and turned it in to a GM disguised as a busty human female named "Farmer Bill's Daughter"
He gave me 5 star rubies and 20pp
I was like, woa, better than nothing.
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khalysta
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 17:43 Post subject:
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1 hour dedicated per day seems more of a tease though than anything. That one hour would be mainly for replacing lost items or whatever that they do now anywyas rather than some sort of event. Events are almost pointless now too though. None of the top 10 guilds are gonna drop what they are doing to go to some gm event thats made for an audience from newbies to experienced people. They will continue to just farm. One hour a day though I don't think would be much more than we have now in the long run. Also if they were to hire more that would just increase eq costs which most would be against.
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Occulis
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 17:45 Post subject:
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Okay maybe you're missing the point or just read my post in a hurry.
7 hours per day. 1 hour per server. Nothing but GM events.
I know your view of EQ is tunnel-vision, locked into the high end, but believe it or not you are less than 1% of the player base.
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khalysta
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 17:56 Post subject:
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I saw the one hour per server part. As it works out now we probably do get an hour a day of gm support thats purely on customer service related side. They just ran a whole week of events not too long ago and it didnt seem like they were that popular then so why add in dedicated staff to run them and add in programmers to script them. From a business side that just costs more for something people dont seem to want now.
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Mishra
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 18:04 Post subject:
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Welcome to the legends server Dunn....
They had those type of things regularly, although not daily.
I participated in one where there was a named Ice Giant and about 2 million normal ice giants attacking Everfrost. Was fun for the first hour, some really nice loot was dropping off the normal ice giants (well, better than fine steel weapons. Stuff that might actually be used).
The problem is, everyone just went straight for the named, and left all the ice giants roaming everywhere. The mob mentality sucks.
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Luturb
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 18:11 Post subject:
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| Dunn wrote: | | I know your view of EQ is tunnel-vision, locked into the high end, but believe it or not you are less than 1% of the player base. |
Ok, let's define "high end" as elemental planes flagged? Well....
Enlightened Dark
Awakened
Numinous
Sanctus Arcanum
Pak'Cafan
Black Company
Clan of Shadows
Did I miss anyone? Average of 100 members per guild, that's 700 "high end" players on Tarew Marr. Do you really think 70,000 people lay on TM?
Ok, now I'm just pulling numbers out of my ass here, but considering that most "high end" people have 2 or more accounts, I would guess that "high end" players are more like 20% of the total accounts, and 40% of the non bazaar bot players that are online at any given time.
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Occulis
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 18:16 Post subject:
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Dude
Don't nitpick the number. If I wanted to give you an exact stat I'd go to the SOE Fippy's Facts and pull it down. But the point is neither of you are answering the question:
How much of a difference would regular GM events, even if only 1 GM did it, make?
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Frax
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 18:19 Post subject:
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answer: not much
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Akronn
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 18:20 Post subject:
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People ruin GM events, that's why you don't see many. Hell, even I took a swing at a 'storytime' ogre in GFay (bugger shot off like a cannon too, never seen an ogre run so fast!), and I'm harmless!
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Occulis
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 18:36 Post subject:
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Yeah...
I dunno. Seems like people go apeshit every time there is one. Adds a bit of unknown to an otherwise static world.
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Gethy
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 18:40 Post subject:
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Think:
Mistmoore, pre-Kunark. 50 billion newbies attempting to roleplay, 100 billion more chain nuking the invuln Mayong. Constant spamming, totally negating any chance of a coherant storyline.
Then, after all was said and done, a necromancer winds up with a covetted melee item, sells it and gets a shoddy PC.
I miss the old days of EQ. But then or today, it's all going to wind up the same in a GM event.
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Occulis
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 18:47 Post subject:
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People still go nuts over them, tho. 
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Gethy
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 18:51 Post subject:
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I never contested that. Though, in recent times, I doubt the hundreds of level-capped players would flock to Ak'anon to witness Merzlethorp the Magic Gnome run amok. Though, if I were to ever meet such a gnome, I'd be impressed.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 19:15 Post subject:
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The GM event would have to be spontaneous and quickly finished.
Here are two examples of what might be daily events:
An NPC shows up to a newbie group in Nro and asks them to kill a named Dervish. They do and return with an object. The GM gives them each a yellow of exp or 100pp, etc.
Or in Katta a lone mage is killing guards. An npc shows up and asks him to please deliver a secret object to her brother in Plane of Sky. Mage gets item, pays for port and hands the object to the brother who's right there on the first island. He gets a note, returns it and the GM gives him 2k or an aa or something.
Maybe on Saturdays they could do a larger event that involved, say, Oasis or Everfrost or Dawnshroud.
I think it would be great for the <55 crowd, especially for the noobs. Remember what your first EQ memories were like? You were excited and exploring and the sky was bluer, the grass greener, etc.
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Luturb
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 20:05 Post subject:
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| Dunn wrote: | Dude
Don't nitpick the number. If I wanted to give you an exact stat I'd go to the SOE Fippy's Facts and pull it down. But the point is neither of you are answering the question:
How much of a difference would regular GM events, even if only 1 GM did it, make? |
I'll nitpick what I want to nitpick. But I hear that "ub3r people are only 1% of the population! thing all the time, and I don't buy it.
Anyhow, GM events...they are cool, but some high-level person always shows up and ruins them, and they turn into horrific lag-fests most of the time.
I like Silvermouse's idea, but I don't think they would have their GMs spend time doing things that only 1-6 people would participate in.
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Aumelen
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 20:14 Post subject:
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| Luturb wrote: | | Dunn wrote: | Dude
Don't nitpick the number. If I wanted to give you an exact stat I'd go to the SOE Fippy's Facts and pull it down. But the point is neither of you are answering the question:
How much of a difference would regular GM events, even if only 1 GM did it, make? |
I'll nitpick what I want to nitpick. But I hear that "ub3r people are only 1% of the population! thing all the time, and I don't buy it.
Anyhow, GM events...they are cool, but some high-level person always shows up and ruins them, and they turn into horrific lag-fests most of the time.
I like Silvermouse's idea, but I don't think they would have their GMs spend time doing things that only 1-6 people would participate in. |
I agree, every GM event I have seen is some lame thing where people try to kill the mob a GM is playing with people shouting crap like retards. What's the point of starting a GM event when a quarter of the server shows up acting like little b*****s?
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Fifth0
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 20:20 Post subject:
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i remember like a year ago when there was a good versus evil battle man that was the hugest clustwer f**k i ever saw HAHAHAHAH the good bent the evil over and gave them a new one lol. i reamember when all the good peopel were in west freeport and there was atleast 100 of us i was trying to organize peopel into groups yeah no fuckign way that was going to happen lol. then atleast 50 more poepel flocked into the zone i had never seen so much lag on east commons hah. The halloween events were damn fun too i member them well. =D
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Occulis
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 20:21 Post subject:
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| Luturb wrote: | | I'll nitpick what I want to nitpick. But I hear that "ub3r people are only 1% of the population! thing all the time, and I don't buy it. |
Oooooh. You SMOKED me, man. You'll nitpick what you want to and nobody - nobody - will ever tell YOU what to do. Because, by god, that's just what I was trying to do. You are your OWN man. You don't play by the rules. You're a lone wolf. You're hardcore.
Shut the f**k up, idiot.
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khalysta
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 23:25 Post subject:
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When they did that sequence with the frogs taking over grobb didnt they talk about some elite scripting system they had that could go across zones and stuff? Thats all you need really rather than a gm. A few times a month maybe have stuff like this trigger and just let the scripts fly. Instead of having a ton of gms run different things you get one consistent event across the servers. That seems more exciting than a gm running drunk around kelethin for the 100th time or a low level pvp battle.
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Luturb
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Posted: 11/19/03 - 23:43 Post subject:
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| Dunn wrote: | | Luturb wrote: | | I'll nitpick what I want to nitpick. But I hear that "ub3r people are only 1% of the population! thing all the time, and I don't buy it. |
Oooooh. You SMOKED me, man. You'll nitpick what you want to and nobody - nobody - will ever tell YOU what to do. Because, by god, that's just what I was trying to do. You are your OWN man. You don't play by the rules. You're a lone wolf. You're hardcore.
Shut the f**k up, idiot. |
Is that a tear in your eye?
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 11/20/03 - 00:49 Post subject:
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| Luturb wrote: |
Anyhow, GM events...they are cool, but some high-level person always shows up and ruins them, and they turn into horrific lag-fests most of the time.
I like Silvermouse's idea, but I don't think they would have their GMs spend time doing things that only 1-6 people would participate in. |
That's why it needs to be brought down to a person/group basis. Because you can't get shit done with 67 asses in WC asking what the loot is, attacking every NPC in sight, even the ones named "Peaceful Nun of Serenity", sending wave after wave of level 6 noobs at the red-con event leader, etc.
I believe we might still have GM events if 95% of the player base didn't f**k them over.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 11/20/03 - 00:50 Post subject:
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Be nice, you two. I like you both and would hate to have to slit my wrists and hang myself in my haunted closet because of a conflict of interest.
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teeroyoyort
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Posted: 11/20/03 - 04:29 Post subject:
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halloween events a couple years ago were great, GMs didn't really need to run them, just revamped a few zones till the named was killed then zone resets in an hour or so. gota lot of nice loots for my wizzie at the time and i think it was prolly one of the funnest times in eq!
even if it was gear'd for lower end people.... i'd load up my alts!
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Finigan
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Posted: 11/20/03 - 05:11 Post subject:
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The thing that sucks about EQ GM events is that everyone goes there expecting loot and usually only 1-3 people end up getting it out of like... 100. The ratio of people that leave a GM event happy is much lower than those that leave angry.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 11/20/03 - 12:42 Post subject:
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| Finigan wrote: | | The thing that sucks about EQ GM events is that everyone goes there expecting loot and usually only 1-3 people end up getting it out of like... 100. The ratio of people that leave a GM event happy is much lower than those that leave angry. |
Yes, but that attitude defeats the whole purpose of GM events. The idea is to have a story and/or a puzzle and for some of the PCs present to solve it. Loot is supposed to be a secondary thing, a reward to the few winners, but everyone now goes expecting to get loot. The halloween events are the loot-frenzy events.
Of course, loot drives this game as we all know, but the idea is to set aside that for awhile and roleplay with the GMs.
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