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 Posted: 09/21/04 - 02:22 Post subject: How about this as a solution to the hostage beheading shit
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Ok a terrorist cell catches an American contracter in his car and holds him for ransom.
The terrorists release a video saying that unless all the prisoners in prison X are released that they will behead him in living color in three days.
Americas official response is "we will think it over and give you an answer tommorow"
Ok heres the catch...put some sleeping narcotics in about 8 of the prisoners food and while they are asleep implant a subdermal tracking device somewhere untraceable in the drugged soon to be bleeding chunks of terrorists.
And in case you dont believe this tech is available yet, let me tell you...it IS.
then after about a day America in its compassion decides to release the prisoners to spare the hostage.
Then when the prisoners are released....just let em go and get we get our american Hostage back with his head thankfully intact.
Then wait a few hours...triangulate on their position and with a covert strike team of well equipped rangers or seals or whatever....KILL EVERY m**********r IN THE ROOM.
No fuss no muss and you kill terrorists while saving citizens.
Destroy all the bodies so those dumbasses dont detect the tracer.
Lather rinse repeat...should work long enough to save plenty of people while striking down the heart of the terrorists.
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merdocc
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 02:28 Post subject:
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Yeah I saw that GI joe movie too. This isn't a 007 movie this is the real world. First of all we do not negotiate with terrorists. Us releasing prisoners just isn't going to happen. Even if we did release some prisoners for some weird reason I really don't believe the terrorists are going to release theirs!
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 02:30 Post subject:
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| merdocc wrote: | | Yeah I saw that GI joe movie too. This isn't a 007 movie this is the real world. First of all we do not negotiate with terrorists. Us releasing prisoners just isn't going to happen. Even if we did release some prisoners for some weird reason I really don't believe the terrorists are going to release theirs! |
Yeah but you kill them all.
While the american hostage has a chance to escape.
I know they release hostages because theyve done it before for other countries.
Plus you get to KILL THEM ALL
what you think theyll take less hostages if you dont pretent to negotiate?
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merdocc
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 02:31 Post subject:
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Go play some more Rainbow Six man.
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 02:34 Post subject:
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| merdocc wrote: | | Go play some more Rainbow Six man. |
What have you got to lose?
the guys gonna get his head SAWED OFF!
At least you got some bugged terrorists hanging out with their terrorist cell to pinpoint...not like we wont at least get some sweet payback.
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Manuva
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 03:20 Post subject:
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The man has a point.
We have the technology to do this, the only drawback is that they'll see that we're "negotiating".
They'll cut the guys head off anyway, we're dealing with animals here.
While this might work once or twice, the only way to rid us of the problem is massive eradication. Unfortunately, we have to wait until after GW sweeps the election to do so.
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ATM Banana
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 03:35 Post subject:
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i'm dealing with herpes here people, HERPES.
someone cut MY head of.
and i'll triangulate the coordinates of your mom and penetrate her defenses like a penis in her vagina.
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Brael
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 05:11 Post subject:
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So... the liberal solution to stopping the attacks is to give the people that want us dead whatever they ask for? Once you start negotiating with terrorists they win since they're getting what they want.
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Bait Masterson
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 05:37 Post subject:
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Rainbow 6 owns and yeah it would work and the rest of the world and all the peaceniks would cry that we cheated
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khrath
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 06:42 Post subject:
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| Brael wrote: | | So... the liberal solution to stopping the attacks is to give the people that want us dead whatever they ask for? Once you start negotiating with terrorists they win since they're getting what they want. |
nothing more needs to be said.
America does not negotiate with terrorists, period.
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Frax
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 09:18 Post subject:
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| Khrath wrote: | | Brael wrote: | | So... the liberal solution to stopping the attacks is to give the people that want us dead whatever they ask for? Once you start negotiating with terrorists they win since they're getting what they want. |
nothing more needs to be said.
America does not negotiate with terrorists, period. |
We will if John Kerry is elected!
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Renork
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 10:00 Post subject:
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| Khrath wrote: | | Brael wrote: | | So... the liberal solution to stopping the attacks is to give the people that want us dead whatever they ask for? Once you start negotiating with terrorists they win since they're getting what they want. |
nothing more needs to be said.
America does not negotiate with terrorists, period. |
I think your missing the point of the plan, its not realy negotiating, its infultrating their organization. Were not like ok here is who you want, have a nie day. Its here he is, wait a day now the person we released AND everyone else is dead. If this is even possible. And whats to worry about the hostage, you guys keep saying they wont release him anyway. Which I guess means he is going to die regardless. Dont you think it would be better to have a 2% chance of him surviving our attack?
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 10:01 Post subject:
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| Manuva wrote: | The man has a point.
We have the technology to do this, the only drawback is that they'll see that we're "negotiating".
They'll cut the guys head off anyway, we're dealing with animals here.
While this might work once or twice, the only way to rid us of the problem is massive eradication. Unfortunately, we have to wait until after GW sweeps the election to do so. |
no better or worse than us, they just let the av team go to the brutal killings.
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 14:40 Post subject:
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For once I agree with Jack on this one. Its not negotiation if they are all good and dead at the end and we have our civ back. And you know this is all possible with our modern day sciences and technologies. I really do wonder what the reason is that we haven't used any of these methods before hand.
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khrath
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 14:49 Post subject:
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| Renork wrote: | | Khrath wrote: | | Brael wrote: | | So... the liberal solution to stopping the attacks is to give the people that want us dead whatever they ask for? Once you start negotiating with terrorists they win since they're getting what they want. |
nothing more needs to be said.
America does not negotiate with terrorists, period. |
I think your missing the point of the plan, its not realy negotiating, its infultrating their organization. Were not like ok here is who you want, have a nie day. Its here he is, wait a day now the person we released AND everyone else is dead. If this is even possible. And whats to worry about the hostage, you guys keep saying they wont release him anyway. Which I guess means he is going to die regardless. Dont you think it would be better to have a 2% chance of him surviving our attack? |
There are reasons that we don't do that.
1. it's stupid, it only validates terrorism as a means of getting what you want, by asking for more than you really want.
i guess it only needs one reason
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Tura
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 14:57 Post subject:
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| Khrath wrote: | | Renork wrote: | | Khrath wrote: | | Brael wrote: | | So... the liberal solution to stopping the attacks is to give the people that want us dead whatever they ask for? Once you start negotiating with terrorists they win since they're getting what they want. |
nothing more needs to be said.
America does not negotiate with terrorists, period. |
I think your missing the point of the plan, its not realy negotiating, its infultrating their organization. Were not like ok here is who you want, have a nie day. Its here he is, wait a day now the person we released AND everyone else is dead. If this is even possible. And whats to worry about the hostage, you guys keep saying they wont release him anyway. Which I guess means he is going to die regardless. Dont you think it would be better to have a 2% chance of him surviving our attack? |
There are reasons that we don't do that.
1. it's stupid, it only validates terrorism as a means of getting what you want, by asking for more than you really want.
i guess it only needs one reason |
I see what you are saying, but think about this:
When another organization/nation/power starts killing and taking lives we react. We are then automatically brought up to that stance of conflict (ie: they kill us, we defend ourselves and kill them). In this situation they are taking our innocent people hostage and wanting to exchange them for their guilty people. As a means of warfare I think this plan is perfectly valid. They kill, we kill. They engage in espianage, we follow up on it with a higher level of intelligence.
I think its about time we as a nation stop walking on egg-shells and utilize the resources we have to save these people from getting their heads cut off for gosh sakes.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 15:26 Post subject:
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If you don't want to get your head cut off, don't go to Iraq.
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Tura
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 16:18 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | | If you don't want to get your head cut off, don't go to Iraq. |
Or you could follow this simple advice 
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Renork
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 16:49 Post subject:
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| Khrath wrote: | | Renork wrote: | | Khrath wrote: | | Brael wrote: | | So... the liberal solution to stopping the attacks is to give the people that want us dead whatever they ask for? Once you start negotiating with terrorists they win since they're getting what they want. |
nothing more needs to be said.
America does not negotiate with terrorists, period. |
I think your missing the point of the plan, its not realy negotiating, its infultrating their organization. Were not like ok here is who you want, have a nie day. Its here he is, wait a day now the person we released AND everyone else is dead. If this is even possible. And whats to worry about the hostage, you guys keep saying they wont release him anyway. Which I guess means he is going to die regardless. Dont you think it would be better to have a 2% chance of him surviving our attack? |
There are reasons that we don't do that.
1. it's stupid, it only validates terrorism as a means of getting what you want, by asking for more than you really want.
i guess it only needs one reason |
so a squad of elite troops shooting them in the face is what they want? glad we cleared that up.
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kemble
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 17:22 Post subject:
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| Renork wrote: | | Khrath wrote: | | Renork wrote: | | Khrath wrote: | | Brael wrote: | | So... the liberal solution to stopping the attacks is to give the people that want us dead whatever they ask for? Once you start negotiating with terrorists they win since they're getting what they want. |
nothing more needs to be said.
America does not negotiate with terrorists, period. |
I think your missing the point of the plan, its not realy negotiating, its infultrating their organization. Were not like ok here is who you want, have a nie day. Its here he is, wait a day now the person we released AND everyone else is dead. If this is even possible. And whats to worry about the hostage, you guys keep saying they wont release him anyway. Which I guess means he is going to die regardless. Dont you think it would be better to have a 2% chance of him surviving our attack? |
There are reasons that we don't do that.
1. it's stupid, it only validates terrorism as a means of getting what you want, by asking for more than you really want.
i guess it only needs one reason |
so a squad of elite troops shooting them in the face is what they want? glad we cleared that up. |
Do you not understand the problem with 'giving in' or negotiating, even if only for a short amount of time?
If the US releases prisoners, then goes and kills the kidnappers like you want to do, how are other kidnappers or the rest of the world, for that matter, supposed to see that we enacted swift justice after the fact? Should we videotape our soldiers killing the kidnappers for proof? That'd go over well....
Also, if by some miracle we are able to pull off your plan, do you think the kidnappers/terrorists will not catch on? How many times do you think this would work?
Drop the idea.. Its one of the shittiest I've heard in awhile.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 18:00 Post subject:
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I've got an idea: we release the prisoners, but before we do, we secretly infect them with a highly contagious fatal disease that kills in a few days. That gives them time to get back to their base and infect all of their friends!
OMG then we would totally win!
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 18:42 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | I've got an idea: we release the prisoners, but before we do, we secretly infect them with a highly contagious fatal disease that kills in a few days. That gives them time to get back to their base and infect all of their friends!
OMG then we would totally win! |
I agree.
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kemble
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 19:16 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | I've got an idea: we release the prisoners, but before we do, we secretly infect them with a highly contagious fatal disease that kills in a few days. That gives them time to get back to their base and infect all of their friends!
OMG then we would totally win! |
see. that idea has merit. It has problems, but it has merit.
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 19:48 Post subject:
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Problem with this plan is that there is no one to realese to the terrorists. The 2 women we have in custody (or that we stated we have), are the 2 bio weapons doctors of the Sadam regime. Although I'm sure the terrorists would love to get their hands on them to use for their own research and dev programs, they aren't technically their people anyway.
The terrorists who sawed off those 2 guys heads are Al Qaeda and their intent is not to have "women released" from US controlled prisons in Iraq, it's to terrorize the coalition troops and more importantly the US population in general. They often make rediculous vague demands and then still cut the people's heads off anyways. They demanded that the Philipino's stop all support of the coaltion and Iraqi's and the Philipino government tried to comply and they still cut off the guys head.
If all the "women" were released, they wouldn't go running back Al Zaqari and friends because they aren't necessarily even connected. Again, the demads are intentionally vague, unreasonable and/or impossible to meet. The goal is not to have the demands met, it is to terrorize the enemy, get publicity, and to ultimately affect our elections and get us out of Iraq.
The idea of implanting a captured terrorist insurgent or terrorist with a subdermal tracking device is probably sound however, and who knows, maybe it's already been or being done.
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 20:21 Post subject:
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Here's your solution:
Every time they behead an American, we randomly select 100 muslim men, women, and children...and kill them. Publicly.
It will eventually stop.
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 20:53 Post subject:
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| Paco wrote: | Here's your solution:
Every time they behead an American, we randomly select 100 muslim men, women, and children...and kill them. Publicly.
It will eventually stop. |
Kill em and then bury em with a dead pig.
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 22:02 Post subject:
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| Kbarr wrote: | | Paco wrote: | Here's your solution:
Every time they behead an American, we randomly select 100 muslim men, women, and children...and kill them. Publicly.
It will eventually stop. |
Kill em and then bury em with a dead pig. |
That made me lirl. Thank you sir.
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 22:35 Post subject:
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We could just fill up some crop dusters with pigs blood and fly over any town that gives us grief.
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 22:53 Post subject:
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What they need to do is get every soldier they can muster and sweep the whole country. Every troop can stand at arms length close to one another to make sure we dont leave 1 inch of the place un-searched. Execute as necessary and then we can butt heads with north korea 
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Posted: 09/21/04 - 23:24 Post subject:
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| Tura wrote: | | What they need to do is get every soldier they can muster and sweep the whole country. Every troop can stand at arms length close to one another to make sure we dont leave 1 inch of the place un-searched. Execute as necessary and then we can butt heads with north korea |
Police call!
If it don't grow, PICK IT UP!
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