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Bait Masterson
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 Posted: 06/18/04 - 14:14 Post subject: Hostage killed (Paul Johnson)
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is the rumor, though the Saudi's say they havent foudn the body yet. Apprently there is a website up with pictures of him being decapitated.
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Jakanden
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 14:15 Post subject:
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Now I will admit I dont follow this stuff but I assume this a different guy then the one that was videotaped?
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sinrakin
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 14:17 Post subject:
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Safe to assume it's true. They'd have lost credibility if they didn't do it, and the Saudi's would have lost credibility if they'd negotiated. As many times as Bush tells me the world is safer now, I just don't feel safer.
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Bait Masterson
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 14:19 Post subject:
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IMHO he was dead 1 minute after making the film
you really think even if the saudi's had released those criminals that they would release an american? No
I hope the saudis take the guys they wanted released and behead them in public and arrest anyone who cries out over it.
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kemble
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 14:22 Post subject:
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| Bait Masterson wrote: |
I hope the saudis take the guys they wanted released and behead them in public and arrest anyone who cries out over it. |
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FealornTM
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 14:24 Post subject:
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| Bait Masterson wrote: |
I hope the saudis take the guys they wanted released and behead them in public and arrest anyone who cries out over it. |
yea...behead them with a belt sander maybe.
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merdocc
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 14:38 Post subject:
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Hah yeah lets just start cutting the heads off all of our prisoners and posting them on websites so we can be just as cool as the terrorists.
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Jinu
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 14:40 Post subject:
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Ever notice the Arab fascination with cutting off appendages?
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Natalie
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 14:47 Post subject:
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Found this while trolling the boards and reading news pages in another window.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123030,00.html
Everyone refuses to talk about it right now, article says that photographs and another beheading video showed up on the webpage 72 hours after the Saudis were warned they had 3 days to release the prisoners.
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Tamena
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 14:54 Post subject:
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the family has been in seclusion for a few days now. They made a few statements at the begining of all this then stopped, with the guy "bill" (their quotes not mine so hush!) giving a few statements here and there. Since they're in NJ there's been a lot of info here in the local papers about it.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 15:20 Post subject:
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| Bait Masterson wrote: | IMHO he was dead 1 minute after making the film
you really think even if the saudi's had released those criminals that they would release an american? No
I hope the saudis take the guys they wanted released and behead them in public and arrest anyone who cries out over it. |
i bet they would have released him if they had freed the prisoners, gotta look at it this way, from a military perspective the guy they captured is completely worthless, getting 5 free prisoners for him is more than worth it, and giving him up again costs them nothing and doesnt really gain us anything either... now getting the prisoners freed and then killing him anyway means the trick will never work again, once they break there word like that no one will deal with them in negotiations anymore.. where if they freed him they could capture him again next week, rinse and repeat.
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Gravelbeard
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 15:43 Post subject:
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Negotiations with terrorists can never take place.
If you think the shit is f****d up now just wait and see what the world would be like if we started answering their demands.
EVERY whacko out there would be taking hostages and asking for something.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 15:46 Post subject:
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| Gravelbeard wrote: | Negotiations with terrorists can never take place.
If you think the shit is f****d up now just wait and see what the world would be like if we started answering their demands.
EVERY whacko out there would be taking hostages and asking for something. |
yup, these people really arent wacko tho, everything they do generally has some overall purpose.
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gotissues68
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 15:47 Post subject:
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pics have been posted  http://www.ogrish.com/
[edit] I think the idea of beheading is a fear thing (well f*****g obviously) but they are expecting to get a deep psychological response out of it. Its different to know someone had their head chopped off versus a bullet in the back of the head.
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Xthos
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 16:14 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | | Gravelbeard wrote: | Negotiations with terrorists can never take place.
If you think the shit is f****d up now just wait and see what the world would be like if we started answering their demands.
EVERY whacko out there would be taking hostages and asking for something. |
yup, these people really arent wacko tho, everything they do generally has some overall purpose. |
They are whacky, anybody that is fanatic about religion is whacky. The christians were fanatics during the crusades trying to wipe the muslims out. The Al-Qaida people are religious fanatics, and leave no room for beliefs besides their own. Yeah they have purpose, but so did Jeffery Daumer (sp?).
You cant reason/debate with fanatics. This goes for anyone, not just muslim fanatics, and I am not saying every muslim is a fanatic either.
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wellspoken
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FealornTM
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 16:16 Post subject:
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| gotissues68 wrote: | pics have been posted http://www.ogrish.com/
[edit] I think the idea of beheading is a fear thing (well f*****g obviously) but they are expecting to get a deep psychological response out of it. Its different to know someone had their head chopped off versus a bullet in the back of the head. |
Those pics are fake, and look suspiciously like Eduin.
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wellspoken
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 16:22 Post subject:
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| FealornTM wrote: | | gotissues68 wrote: | pics have been posted http://www.ogrish.com/
[edit] I think the idea of beheading is a fear thing (well f*****g obviously) but they are expecting to get a deep psychological response out of it. Its different to know someone had their head chopped off versus a bullet in the back of the head. |
Those pics are fake, and look suspiciously like Eduin. |
Yeah, ogrish is not that reliable.
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Confused
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 16:30 Post subject:
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It's an obvious conspiracy perpetrated by the US government. Look closely...he's wearing an orange jumpsuit, just like the prisoners in Abu Graib!
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Tolanin
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 17:54 Post subject:
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| Xthos wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | | Gravelbeard wrote: | Negotiations with terrorists can never take place.
If you think the shit is f****d up now just wait and see what the world would be like if we started answering their demands.
EVERY whacko out there would be taking hostages and asking for something. |
yup, these people really arent wacko tho, everything they do generally has some overall purpose. |
They are whacky, anybody that is fanatic about religion is whacky. The christians were fanatics during the crusades trying to wipe the muslims out. The Al-Qaida people are religious fanatics, and leave no room for beliefs besides their own. Yeah they have purpose, but so did Jeffery Daumer (sp?).
You cant reason/debate with fanatics. This goes for anyone, not just muslim fanatics, and I am not saying every muslim is a fanatic either. |
you can reason with anyone, fanatics just generally are harder to convince... Daumer is different, he had no overall purpose to what he did that was well thought out and made sense, what the terrorists want makes sense to an extent. Difference between insane and not insane is whether you can understand the other person, its not hard to understand the terrorists so they are not insane or wacko.
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Confused
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 17:58 Post subject:
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| Xthos wrote: | | The christians were fanatics during the crusades trying to wipe the muslims out. |
I think they simply demonstrated remarkable forsight.
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Tamena
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 17:58 Post subject:
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his body was found a little while ago, confirming the beheading
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themy
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 19:19 Post subject:
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| Bait Masterson wrote: | IMHO he was dead 1 minute after making the film
you really think even if the saudi's had released those criminals that they would release an american? No
I hope the saudis take the guys they wanted released and behead them in public and arrest anyone who cries out over it. |
two wongs don't make a white
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Posted: 06/18/04 - 22:03 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Xthos wrote: | | The christians were fanatics during the crusades trying to wipe the muslims out. |
I think they simply demonstrated remarkable forsight. |
I killed all the ants that were setting up camp in between the bricks on my front walk way. Every last one of them.
It was the logical thing to do. I tried talking to them, but they just refused to listen to reason.
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 06/19/04 - 00:27 Post subject:
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| TamenaEverlost wrote: | | his body was found a little while ago, confirming the beheading |
Well, they found Nick Berg's body too and people are still suggesting the U.S. did it. I'm waiting for the link to a post of someone claiming the U.S. government killed this man too... 
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 06/19/04 - 00:38 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | | you can reason with anyone, fanatics just generally are harder to convince... Daumer is different, he had no overall purpose to what he did that was well thought out and made sense, what the terrorists want makes sense to an extent. Difference between insane and not insane is whether you can understand the other person, its not hard to understand the terrorists so they are not insane or wacko. |
It's not really relevant if a terrorist is clinically insane or not. It is relevant that you cannot reason with them. You cannot bargain with them. It's blind optimism to believe that you can.
Releasing even one prisoner because they took hostages would just result in a slew of kidnappings with escalating demands. It would not solve the problem. It would not even lessen our problems; it would only multiply them.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 06/19/04 - 01:00 Post subject:
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| Nuldaan wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | | you can reason with anyone, fanatics just generally are harder to convince... Daumer is different, he had no overall purpose to what he did that was well thought out and made sense, what the terrorists want makes sense to an extent. Difference between insane and not insane is whether you can understand the other person, its not hard to understand the terrorists so they are not insane or wacko. |
It's not really relevant if a terrorist is clinically insane or not. It is relevant that you cannot reason with them. You cannot bargain with them. It's blind optimism to believe that you can.
Releasing even one prisoner because they took hostages would just result in a slew of kidnappings with escalating demands. It would not solve the problem. It would not even lessen our problems; it would only multiply them. |
it is relevant, know your enemy.
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 06/19/04 - 07:12 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | | you can reason with anyone, fanatics just generally are harder to convince... Daumer is different, he had no overall purpose to what he did that was well thought out and made sense, what the terrorists want makes sense to an extent. Difference between insane and not insane is whether you can understand the other person, its not hard to understand the terrorists so they are not insane or wacko. |
It's not really relevant if a terrorist is clinically insane or not. It is relevant that you cannot reason with them. You cannot bargain with them. It's blind optimism to believe that you can.
Releasing even one prisoner because they took hostages would just result in a slew of kidnappings with escalating demands. It would not solve the problem. It would not even lessen our problems; it would only multiply them. |
it is relevant, know your enemy. |
I don't think you really understand the meaning of that quote if you're using it to debate me.
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Tamena
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Posted: 06/19/04 - 10:16 Post subject:
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Tolanin?
I just said it was found and his head was cut off...didn't say who did it 
and if you think you can reason with anyone...try an 8 yr old sometime. You'll give up LONG before you get anywhere *grin*
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Yellow Journalist
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