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ATM Banana
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theres only one thing i dislike about gays, the half who act like women.... its like listening to a girl through a guy... literally.
besides that, i wouldn't care... be gay all you want... just stay off my lawn, i just cut it.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 09:35 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | | naming people like newton and gallieo dont count cause they had enough problems with people wanting to murder them than declaring the fact they didnt believe in god.. the 1500s werent a good time to be both a scientist challenging popular belief in the solar system and then challenging god in the same instance.. |
Hardly. Newton lived in the late 1600's-early 1700's and was a theologian, first. The vast majority of his works were theology, in an age of enlightenment. The others, excepting Galileo (who wrote in a religious context), lived in a humanistic, post-Darwin world where atheism was not only accepted, but encouraged in higher education.
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Hey, did you guys know that Sir Isaac Newton died a virgin? That would suck!
At any rate... I hate the whole 'Jesus preached against homosexuality' bit. Why? Well aside from the fact we have no proof of his existence, we're also just reading others' accounts (both fact and fiction) of the times. It's foolish to take 2nd hand accounts as Gospel, literally.
Will we ever wake up....
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 10:19 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | Hey, did you guys know that Sir Isaac Newton died a virgin? That would suck!
At any rate... I hate the whole 'Jesus preached against homosexuality' bit. Why? Well aside from the fact we have no proof of his existence, we're also just reading others' accounts (both fact and fiction) of the times. It's foolish to take 2nd hand accounts as Gospel, literally.
Will we ever wake up.... |
Issac Newton probably was not a virgin. He had a 10 year relationship of some kind with a woman when he middle-aged. She died and he was heartbroken. It's widely believed that they did the nasty, but nobody really knows.
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Frostkiss
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| Tolanin wrote: | | AIDs is great, you can easily avoid it if you want to and it kills bad people who deserved to die anyway (both str8 and gay). |
... And all the people that got it by blood transfusion deserve to die ... because ... Just because?
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Rennol
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 10:36 Post subject:
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WheresNWS are you trying to say that all of those scientific figures from history were like devout Christians or something?
Before Newton 'discovered' gravity, well, described it anyways for the first time, people had no clue how that happened. You could just attribute it 'to God' or something.
Unfortunately, the reason why I do not really subscribe to any religions is because I simply feel that they are/were an attempt for humans to explain that which they did not totally understand. However, many of these 'facts' are now able to be investigated scientifically and are debunked, modified, whatever. Just look at the Creation vs. Darwin crap. While either of those may or may not be entirely correct, I would definitely say that the Evolutionary theory, it is a theory, has more going for it in terms of proven factual figures.
But then again, you can explain it in theological terms if you wanted. For who is to say that to God, a day is 24 hours? How arrogant would it be for us to assume that He operates on the same time table as we do?
The real crime is taking a look at new information, and discounting it simply because it goes against something that might be widely held to be true.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 10:56 Post subject:
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| Quote: | Tolanin wrote:
AIDs is great, you can easily avoid it if you want to and it kills bad people who deserved to die anyway (both str8 and gay).
... And all the people that got it by blood transfusion deserve to die ... because ... Just because?
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They dont really deserve to die any more than they deserve to live.. everyone dies, its just a matter of when and how.. every good thing has its downsides. Also blood transfusion is fairly safe if your careful.. sorry but if you didnt take the time to test shit out its still your fault.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 11:00 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | WheresNWS are you trying to say that all of those scientific figures from history were like devout Christians or something?
Before Newton 'discovered' gravity, well, described it anyways for the first time, people had no clue how that happened. You could just attribute it 'to God' or something.
Unfortunately, the reason why I do not really subscribe to any religions is because I simply feel that they are/were an attempt for humans to explain that which they did not totally understand. However, many of these 'facts' are now able to be investigated scientifically and are debunked, modified, whatever. Just look at the Creation vs. Darwin crap. While either of those may or may not be entirely correct, I would definitely say that the Evolutionary theory, it is a theory, has more going for it in terms of proven factual figures.
But then again, you can explain it in theological terms if you wanted. For who is to say that to God, a day is 24 hours? How arrogant would it be for us to assume that He operates on the same time table as we do?
The real crime is taking a look at new information, and discounting it simply because it goes against something that might be widely held to be true. |
Dude. You're not getting the point. Not all of those figures were devout (Einstein), however, their increased understanding of the world led them more to believe that God exists. They disagreed on His nature, though. For example, Newton was a hardcore Christian. Einstein was an agnostic. But, they all believed, unwaveringly, that God does exist.
I never said I did not believe evolution to be likely. The Catholic Church even accepts evolution. I am talking about "real" science, not biology which is nothing but a series of noncausal and contridictory experiments that lead to little more than practical knowledge.
As for science debunking religion, the opposite is true. Listen to Stephen Hawking...er...talk...or whatever, and see how many times he says "God". He says it more than Bush!
My end point is not to believe in God because others do, but not to discount religion so quickly or claim that science debunks it. Rather, consider that you may not be as well educated in the sciences as you may think, since virtually every highly educated physicist out there is a theist.
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 11:01 Post subject:
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| WheresNWS wrote: | What was presented was actually an argument from ignorance, assuming that Jesus Christ was gay, given the fact that it is not proven that he wasn't. Ironic, but your atheist comrad was actually using the argument you attributed to me. You just echoed my pointing it out.
You're also guilty of hastily generalizing my argument based on your ad hominem attack-like belief that theists are illogical. Since I can count 3 logical fallicies in your one statement, I'll grant myself one and appeal to greater authority than you and list a small handful of recognizable people who believe in God to set an example.
-Albert Einstein
-Maxwell Planck
-James Clerk Maxwell
-Issac Newton
-Galileo Galilei
It's obvious what they all have in common. They are the pillars of modern physical sciences. Einstein himself was an atheist until realizing the innate, unseen beauty of the universe created with seeming intention. Pick up a book sometime and learn something. It may cure you of your ignorance. |
You get all that from 3 lines?
Merely pointing out that the same argument is often (though not all the time, my mistake, and certainly not by anyone that would venture to call themselves even an amateur theologian) used by your 'Christian comrades' as well. I didn't attempt to discredit anyone's argument, as I quit seriously reading this post after following the link to the proof of Jesus' supposed homosexuality (oh, journalistic integrity).
Now that you mention it though, I'm interested in your non-ignorant religious beliefs. I imagine it's easy to criticize others' if you reveal none of your own. I don't read realpoor that often, but so far I've gathered that you agree with the Catholic church (though, of course, not 100%) and find homosexuality disgusting and immoral (though you have no problem with pornography, how about lesbians acting for the camera?). Just curious.
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 11:05 Post subject:
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Dude ...
In the '80-90's a lot of blood wasn't tested properly, and many people got infected tru transfusion. Your "it kills bad people that deserved to die anyway" is quite offensive. There's a lot of children out there, in lots of the southern parts of Africa, as much as 2 -3 years old, dying from AIDS.
My father often works in Africa, and sometimes requires a special visa to get into certain areas of Zambia and Mozambique , simply because 90% of the population has AIDS, passing the border, with bodies, stacked on the side of the road. All these unborn babies, children, and teenages mothers who don't even *know* what AIDS is, and how it gets transmitted. I can't see AIDS as a "plague" that will just burn out. It's getting a REAL problem, and it doesn't seem to get any better either.
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compusmack
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 11:15 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | AS for AIDS i think we should let it burn itself out.. all the great plagues do eventually.. plus the world population was already way to high so all those dead is actually good.
It also has the added bonus of being **** transmited.. which usually targets people who have multiple partners or b*****d children born to people who have to many anyway and no way to feed them.
AIDs is great, you can easily avoid it if you want to and it kills bad people who deserved to die anyway (both str8 and gay).
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It's more of a problem than that, it doesn't kill quickly like the "great plagues" you speak of. I really don't think having all those people around to take care of is a good thing, and if you refused to take care of them at all they'd probably conspire to infect you. It's avoidable, but most of the problem exists with ignorance, people don't want to believe it can happen to them. I'll agree that the world population is too big though, it's because certain cultures believe bigger families are good or the just don't use birth control.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 11:21 Post subject:
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thats why we should gas all infected people.. it would be mercy and it would take care of the problem.
I am sorry but if your infected through your own ignorance its your fault.. i mean really who cares about a bunch of people in africa what would they do anyway, they are nothing and their countries are nothing, its good that they are dieing, sadly like compusmack pointed out its not fast enough.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 11:25 Post subject:
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| Krumble wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: | What was presented was actually an argument from ignorance, assuming that Jesus Christ was gay, given the fact that it is not proven that he wasn't. Ironic, but your atheist comrad was actually using the argument you attributed to me. You just echoed my pointing it out.
You're also guilty of hastily generalizing my argument based on your ad hominem attack-like belief that theists are illogical. Since I can count 3 logical fallicies in your one statement, I'll grant myself one and appeal to greater authority than you and list a small handful of recognizable people who believe in God to set an example.
-Albert Einstein
-Maxwell Planck
-James Clerk Maxwell
-Issac Newton
-Galileo Galilei
It's obvious what they all have in common. They are the pillars of modern physical sciences. Einstein himself was an atheist until realizing the innate, unseen beauty of the universe created with seeming intention. Pick up a book sometime and learn something. It may cure you of your ignorance. |
You get all that from 3 lines?
Merely pointing out that the same argument is often (though not all the time, my mistake, and certainly not by anyone that would venture to call themselves even an amateur theologian) used by your 'Christian comrades' as well. I didn't attempt to discredit anyone's argument, as I quit seriously reading this post after following the link to the proof of Jesus' supposed homosexuality (oh, journalistic integrity).
Now that you mention it though, I'm interested in your non-ignorant religious beliefs. I imagine it's easy to criticize others' if you reveal none of your own. I don't read realpoor that often, but so far I've gathered that you agree with the Catholic church (though, of course, not 100%) and find homosexuality disgusting and immoral (though you have no problem with pornography, how about lesbians acting for the camera?). Just curious. |
I takes talent to be that inept over 3 lines.
I never get into religious arguments, which is why you don't know any of my beliefs. Atheists like yourselves tried to pin the "fundamentalist Chistian" label on me, much like the Catholic Church pinned heresy on many people during the Spanish Inquisition. Now that, through your unwarranted criticism of my assumed beliefs, you're demanding to know what they are?? What, would you like an itemized list? Ask me a question and I will answer, even though you've offered up nothing...maybe because that's all you've got.
Homosexuality: I find personally disgusting. Based on my personal, unprofessional opinion, I think it's a mental disorder. I also think that, inasmuch as I believe it to be a mental disorder, that homosexuals don't need to be beaten up for it. But it is certainly not something that should be encouraged, because it is immoral.
Lesbianism: It is homosexuality, and I have the same position.
Pornography: I live in the internet age and am therefore guilty of it. However, that does not make me right. I never post porn (unless you count a naked lady porn, which not even the Catholic Church does). I have friends who seriously want me to start a ponr-based business with them, because I think it's immoral.
God: I'm certain exists, but we only have clues as to what His nature it and will not know until death. Anybody who claims to know what God is like is a fool. That's why it's called "faith".
Now p**s off.
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 11:43 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | thats why we should gas all infected people.. it would be mercy and it would take care of the problem.
I am sorry but if your infected through your own ignorance its your fault.. i mean really who cares about a bunch of people in africa what would they do anyway, they are nothing and their countries are nothing, its good that they are dieing, sadly like compusmack pointed out its not fast enough. |
I for one care... Thinking the problem will remain in africa is ignorance. Gas infected people? geez =/
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Krumble
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 12:24 Post subject:
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So defensive
I didn't demand to know anything, but if you're going to label everyone else's views as ignorant, you might as well offer up something of your own. I haven't criticized anything you've said, but don't let that stop you from drawing comparisons to the Spanish Inquisition.
As for me offering up something (which you'll waste no time in calling inept and ill-informed, I'm sure)-
My main problem with Christianity is the belief in an afterlife.
All of our personality and experiences are documented within our brains and, as such, are inseparable from our physical bodies. Our mental state and brain activity are undisputably correlated and it's impossible for one to be present without the other.
Most religions believe in some form of an afterlife for our spiritual entities, souls, whatever. Christianity, specifically, speaks often of our souls 'ascending' to heaven. Most believe a soul to come into existence somewhere between the time of conception and the time of birth. So, our souls are present with us throughout our entire lives and leave our bodies at the time of death to ascend to heaven - or hell, purgatory, wherever, for all of us infidels.
So, is it our souls or our brains that contain our fiber of existence? or both? You could easily argue that our experiences are present in both places, except when it comes to diseases like Alzheimer's, concussions, amnesia, comatose states, and mental disorders. Our consciousness, then, is supposed to survive complete destruction of the brain, but things like trace amounts of Aluminum (if you buy into that) or bumps on the head can completely wipe out entire sections of our memory? Doesn't seem like our souls are playing a very active role while we're alive, so it's hard for me to buy into the whole ascending into heaven theory.
The other thing that gets me is the belief that there's some place in the sky or on another realm of existence that is purely love and euphoria, and we'll spend it with our friends and family and retain our personality and experiences from this earth. It's not human nature to be happy and loving even half of the time, so any afterlife would not resemble this life or ourselves in the least. All of it sounds like wishful thinking to me, even if the mysteries of the universe aren't explainable any other way.
Not looking to debate anything because I don't expect to change your opinions and don't expect mine to be changed, I was just curious where you got off telling everyone just how wrong they were. But if I was inept enough in those last 3 lines to fill several paragraphs, this should fill a nice sized book.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 13:04 Post subject:
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well frostkiss do you think its a hell of alot better to let them decay and die on their own, the other side of that coin is that they get to infect more people on the way and let them decay and die while infecting more people.. where gas is simple, humane, and it ends there.. really some of you people are ignorant to reality.. "oh no lets look 20 years for a cure that we might never find, then it can cost us millions and billions of dolars for people who will die anyway, and on the side we can let this disease kill 50 million people.. but its better than killing the few infected now because that would be mean!" f*****g retardation..
My problem with christianity is the f*****g value of human life.. people need to realize their lives are worth shit and realize that no one has a special f*****g purpose for them more complex than get born, breed if you can, and die.[/quote]
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 13:31 Post subject:
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Religion is mankind's attempt to make life seem fair.
"Jody was only 6 when that tumor claimed her, but she's in Heaven now with God and Jesus and Angels and Mother Mary and Ice Cream."
"I can't believe they let him go for lack of evidence! No matter, God will judge him righteously in the end."
"Reverend James and his 18 children were killed by a church explosion. The Good Lord must have special plans for them."
Most humans need a kind of final justice in their lives, or it will all seem too unfair to bear. They also need something to look forward to, finally, in the end. They want to know that they'll be with their loved ones again because they can't handle the idea that when you die you just die. It wouldn't be FAIR.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 13:57 Post subject:
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| Krumble wrote: | So defensive
I didn't demand to know anything, but if you're going to label everyone else's views as ignorant, you might as well offer up something of your own. I haven't criticized anything you've said, but don't let that stop you from drawing comparisons to the Spanish Inquisition.
As for me offering up something (which you'll waste no time in calling inept and ill-informed, I'm sure)-
My main problem with Christianity is the belief in an afterlife.
All of our personality and experiences are documented within our brains and, as such, are inseparable from our physical bodies. Our mental state and brain activity are undisputably correlated and it's impossible for one to be present without the other.
Most religions believe in some form of an afterlife for our spiritual entities, souls, whatever. Christianity, specifically, speaks often of our souls 'ascending' to heaven. Most believe a soul to come into existence somewhere between the time of conception and the time of birth. So, our souls are present with us throughout our entire lives and leave our bodies at the time of death to ascend to heaven - or hell, purgatory, wherever, for all of us infidels.
So, is it our souls or our brains that contain our fiber of existence? or both? You could easily argue that our experiences are present in both places, except when it comes to diseases like Alzheimer's, concussions, amnesia, comatose states, and mental disorders. Our consciousness, then, is supposed to survive complete destruction of the brain, but things like trace amounts of Aluminum (if you buy into that) or bumps on the head can completely wipe out entire sections of our memory? Doesn't seem like our souls are playing a very active role while we're alive, so it's hard for me to buy into the whole ascending into heaven theory.
The other thing that gets me is the belief that there's some place in the sky or on another realm of existence that is purely love and euphoria, and we'll spend it with our friends and family and retain our personality and experiences from this earth. It's not human nature to be happy and loving even half of the time, so any afterlife would not resemble this life or ourselves in the least. All of it sounds like wishful thinking to me, even if the mysteries of the universe aren't explainable any other way.
Not looking to debate anything because I don't expect to change your opinions and don't expect mine to be changed, I was just curious where you got off telling everyone just how wrong they were. But if I was inept enough in those last 3 lines to fill several paragraphs, this should fill a nice sized book. |
Of course I'm defensive. These days if you even mention the word "God" to an atheist, they jump all over you as though it's an invalid argument just because you don't agree with their religion (yes, I consider atheism a religion...which makes things like a ban on school prayer a predicament). To an atheist, any Christian (I refer to myself as Catholic) is considered fanatical, irrational, idiotic, etc..., when in reality much of Christianity, excepting Christian Fundamentalism, is grounded in temperate philosphical debate.
And yes, you did say "Now that you mention it though, I'm interested in your non-ignorant religious beliefs. I imagine it's easy to criticize others' if you reveal none of your own." That is essentially demanding to know my beliefs, or face hipocracy or whatever you're getting at.
As for your beliefs, that's fine. Asserting that humans cannot continue onto an afterlife is fine. Asserting that God does not exist is fine. Obviously we disagree, but that right belongs to both of us. Criticising me and my views as invalid simply because I'm a theist, however, is not fine. You just wind up sounding like someone who's first name was changed to Mohammad.
I have every right to tell other people they are wrong, because they are saying the same to me. Atheists do not have a special religious exemption to debate, though I often find they believe that they do once they enter into an argument with a theist. I don't care if you're an atheist. I never pick fights with them. You'll notice in every thread that I post anything about religion, it's in defense of some atheist calling me an ignorant fundamentalist Christian, even though I've made no statement about it. It's ironic how close to fundamentalistm atheists' attitudes are.
From here on out, I will be referring to militant atheists as atheist fundamentalists.
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Tolanin
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i dont know about the other non believers but people not agreeing with my rock solid common sense and accepting what is obviously true p****s me off. Its alot like the matrix.. most people are so absorbed in it that to remove them would kill them.. same with alot of peoples beliefs.. you cant handle that what you live is a lie.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 15:50 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | | i dont know about the other non believers but people not agreeing with my rock solid common sense and accepting what is obviously true p****s me off. Its alot like the matrix.. most people are so absorbed in it that to remove them would kill them.. same with alot of peoples beliefs.. you cant handle that what you live is a lie. |
My point, exactly. You consider your beliefs to be exempt from challenge. That sounds a lot like a religion to me. You atheist fundamentalist.
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| Stinky Pete wrote: | NWS. Your statistics are meaningless and untrue. I have heard this argument against homosexuality time and time again and I am sick of it. It is an excellent example of poor reasoning and mindless bigotry. No, scratch that; you don't appear to be mindless at all. In fact, you seem to have a pretty good grasp of the english language and reasoning skills, which makes this idiocy that much more inexcusable.
AIDS is a relatively new development in human history. Homosexuality is not. In fact, one can see that many species engage in **** behavior with members of either **** regularly. I cite Bonobo monkeys (an extreme example, to be sure, but a close relative) and other primates, not to mention scores of so-called "lower" life forms.
Gay people are vile / immoral? I think not. Walt Whitman, Oscar Wilde, Virginia Woolf, Andy Warhol, Michealangelo, Tennessee Williams, Da Vinci, and (potentially, mind you) the person many people call the Son of God himself, Jesus of Nazareth.
In the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, why do you, a seemingly reasonable human being make such claims?
I hold that you are ill-informed and/or misguided.
No, I'm not gay, but why should it matter? |
lol..where on earth did you get that Jesus was gay?
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 16:08 Post subject:
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| Buntz wrote: | | Stinky Pete wrote: | NWS. Your statistics are meaningless and untrue. I have heard this argument against homosexuality time and time again and I am sick of it. It is an excellent example of poor reasoning and mindless bigotry. No, scratch that; you don't appear to be mindless at all. In fact, you seem to have a pretty good grasp of the english language and reasoning skills, which makes this idiocy that much more inexcusable.
AIDS is a relatively new development in human history. Homosexuality is not. In fact, one can see that many species engage in **** behavior with members of either **** regularly. I cite Bonobo monkeys (an extreme example, to be sure, but a close relative) and other primates, not to mention scores of so-called "lower" life forms.
Gay people are vile / immoral? I think not. Walt Whitman, Oscar Wilde, Virginia Woolf, Andy Warhol, Michealangelo, Tennessee Williams, Da Vinci, and (potentially, mind you) the person many people call the Son of God himself, Jesus of Nazareth.
In the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, why do you, a seemingly reasonable human being make such claims?
I hold that you are ill-informed and/or misguided.
No, I'm not gay, but why should it matter? |
lol..where on earth did you get that Jesus was gay? |
Logical fallacy. The Bible did not state explicitely state "And Lo, Jesus was not a homosexual.", therefore he was.
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Rennol
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 16:27 Post subject:
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Reading comprehension was obviously never something your mom taught you in home school Buntz.
Tolanin you're an arrogant, ignorant f**k. Common sense to one person might mean a totally different application then to another. For example, Hitler vs. Ordinary people. Subject: Jewish people. Hitler thought it was common sense to kill them, I'd think most other people would think it would be common sense not to kill them. (in that manner).
I hope an 18 wheeler shares time & space with you at some point soon.
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Goraz
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actually its not the AIDs itself, its those f*****g n1ggers who don't use condoms and reproduce like f*****g gerbils. Hence its spread around like wildfire then h**o's extracted it. Probably on the boat ride over from Africa, you know how those sailors are..
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Tolanin
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 21:18 Post subject:
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Hitler killed jews fpr political reasons for a large part, He needed someone to unite the people and it was a more available group than saying all their problems were the englishes fault.. which would have caused problems for him since he didnt have the power to let a blood thursty mob start yelling at the rest of europe at the time.
Ya ok so maybe i am not sure i am totally right about god, but i mean you cant discount the other part.. doesnt it scare you at all that all you ever believed and thought about the world around you and the reasons behind it might be untrue.. i know it scares the hell out of me.
BTW rennol i doubt you can chalk up killing jews to hitlers common sense.. its more like complex political strategy.. and i dont dispute the fact that most people have poor common sense.. but then again most people are idiots.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 21:55 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | | but then again most people are idiots. |
Typical statement from an atheist fundamentalist.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 23:56 Post subject:
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other than the fact that i go to church every sunday and am protestant i would agree... People watched american idol in the millions my point is proven!
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 23:59 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | | other than the fact that i go to church every sunday and am protestant i would agree... People watched american idol in the millions my point is proven! |
Shut the f**k up, you atheist fundamentalist. Nobody cares about your Origin of the Species pounding!
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Vekril
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Posted: 07/04/03 - 00:02 Post subject:
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Rennol said:
| Quote: | . For example, Hitler vs. Ordinary people. Subject: Jewish people. Hitler thought it was common sense to kill them, I'd think most other people would think it would be common sense not to kill them. (in that manner).
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What exactly do you mean by the added parenthetical at the end - "not to kill them (in that manner)." As it is written, it appears you are saying that most people think it would be common sense to kill Jews, just using different methods than Hitler did...
Your inner skinhead surfacing Rennol?
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 07/04/03 - 00:05 Post subject:
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| Vekril wrote: | Rennol said:
| Quote: | . For example, Hitler vs. Ordinary people. Subject: Jewish people. Hitler thought it was common sense to kill them, I'd think most other people would think it would be common sense not to kill them. (in that manner).
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What exactly do you mean by the added parenthetical at the end - "not to kill them (in that manner)." As it is written, it appears you are saying that most people think it would be common sense to kill Jews, just using different methods than Hitler did...
Your inner skinhead surfacing Rennol? |
Vekril, why is the holocaust always about Jews? What about the other half of the people who were killed?
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