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WheresNWS
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 Posted: 07/06/03 - 18:44 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | You folks are silly.
The reason why we hear a ton more about the 6 million Jews killed during WW2 is because the media is predominantly Jewish owned, not Polish :P |
It's quite obvious that the people making the documentaries and films are Jewish. What p****s me off, is they are expecting personal sympathy while at the same time trying to convince viewers that the holocaust was all Jewish. Simply not the case.
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lauren000
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Posted: 07/06/03 - 18:55 Post subject:
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| WheresNWS wrote: | | lauren000 wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | | naming people like newton and gallieo dont count cause they had enough problems with people wanting to murder them than declaring the fact they didnt believe in god.. the 1500s werent a good time to be both a scientist challenging popular belief in the solar system and then challenging god in the same instance.. |
Hardly. Newton lived in the late 1600's-early 1700's and was a theologian, first. The vast majority of his works were theology, in an age of enlightenment. The others, excepting Galileo (who wrote in a religious context), lived in a humanistic, post-Darwin world where atheism was not only accepted, but encouraged in higher education. |
yeah that's why he was imprisoned you moron |
Newton was never imprisoned in his life. He enjoyed worlwide celebrity status you f****d up revisionist. |
galileo was imprisoned
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 07/06/03 - 19:24 Post subject:
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| lauren000 wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: | | lauren000 wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | | naming people like newton and gallieo dont count cause they had enough problems with people wanting to murder them than declaring the fact they didnt believe in god.. the 1500s werent a good time to be both a scientist challenging popular belief in the solar system and then challenging god in the same instance.. |
Hardly. Newton lived in the late 1600's-early 1700's and was a theologian, first. The vast majority of his works were theology, in an age of enlightenment. The others, excepting Galileo (who wrote in a religious context), lived in a humanistic, post-Darwin world where atheism was not only accepted, but encouraged in higher education. |
yeah that's why he was imprisoned you moron |
Newton was never imprisoned in his life. He enjoyed worlwide celebrity status you f****d up revisionist. |
galileo was imprisoned |
Please read what I said, you f****d up revisionist. I said Galileo wrote in a religious context and that all OTHERS lived in times when humanism was acceptable. Galileo was placed under house arrest (not imprisoned) by the Vatican, but my list included scientists from a wide array of periods. Picking one of them who was persecuted (the catholic church has since issued a formal apology) is retarded. But don't you also think it's ironic that the father of causal-based science was a staunch catholic?
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Tolanin
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Posted: 07/06/03 - 20:08 Post subject:
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the catholic church can lick balls.. there isnt enough paper in the world to give them room to apologize for all the shit they have done.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 07/07/03 - 03:05 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | | the catholic church can lick balls.. there isnt enough paper in the world to give them room to apologize for all the shit they have done. |
Most institutions last less than a lifetime. The Catholic church has lasted two millenia. It has contributed more to the human experience than you can imagine. As it is run by humans, those contributions will be both good and bad, but the good outnumbers the bad by a longshot.
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 07/07/03 - 09:48 Post subject:
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Religion = war
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 07/07/03 - 09:50 Post subject:
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| Frostkiss wrote: | | Religion = war |
Atheism = religion = war
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Akronn
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Posted: 07/07/03 - 09:58 Post subject:
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I think it's hilarious how many popes fathered children, led armies, etc. The hypocrisy is so thick around Roman Catholicism, you could cut it with a knife. Read Machiavelli's The Prince for more!
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 07/07/03 - 11:06 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | I think it's hilarious how many popes fathered children, led armies, etc. The hypocrisy is so thick around Roman Catholicism, you could cut it with a knife. Read Machiavelli's The Prince for more! |
Again, the whole problem with this argument is that this is a 2000 year old institution. Corruption comes and goes. Trying to apply modern "hippy" political morality to the Crusades is silly.
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Akronn
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Posted: 07/07/03 - 11:09 Post subject:
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You haven't been paying attention to the news lately have you? Corruption and hypocrisy is still alive and well, just in different forms.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 07/07/03 - 11:26 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | You haven't been paying attention to the news lately have you? Corruption and hypocrisy is still alive and well, just in different forms. |
Priests share the same legal status as lawyers. Telling authorities what is told to them in confidence is actually illegal. The "corruption" you speak of was the failure of bishops to remove priests from their positions, and they have either resigned or been removed. The criminal acts you speak of were individual crimes committed by homosexuals.
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Krumble
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Posted: 07/07/03 - 11:28 Post subject:
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| WheresNWS wrote: | | Frostkiss wrote: | | Religion = war |
Atheism = religion = war |
With statements like that, it's easy to see how these threads go for 15 pages.
If you're going to make fuzzy statements like that, it's fair to say that: since Hitler was raised in the Catholic church, from where he developed many of his anti-Semitic beliefs, that Catholicism combined with his other religious influences (Martin Luther, oh, what they don't include in high school textbooks) lead directly to the deaths of 6 million Jews. Since this resulted in mass emigration from Europe and re-establishment in Israel, it's also fair to say that the Middle East conflict is, for a large part, the Catholic church's fault. Since the U.S.'s alliance with Israel is a major cause of resentment with the majority Muslim population over there.. 9/11.. you get the picture.
How many millions of people have radical atheist beliefs killed?
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 07/07/03 - 11:31 Post subject:
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| Krumble wrote: | | How many millions of people have radical atheist beliefs killed? |
Try 20 million in WWII. Thanks, Stalin.
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Krumble
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Posted: 07/07/03 - 12:03 Post subject:
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| WheresNWS wrote: | | Krumble wrote: | | How many millions of people have radical atheist beliefs killed? |
Try 20 million in WWII. Thanks, Stalin. |
Fair enough.
You didn't tear my ridiculous supposition apart, so that one can slide  I'll only say that Stalin's version of atheism is vastly different from everyone else's, most of which place equal or greater value on life than most religious sects. That is true of all religions though, even if most of them have a central figure or literary work to call their foundation. Picking prominent political figures, who also happen to be religious, and pointing out their reprehensible actions or behavior doesn't get you anywhere, as no human (aside from Jesus, Muhammad, Popes, etc.) has been representative of an entire religion.
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