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 Posted: 03/24/06 - 00:10 Post subject: Hispanics against Immigration Legislation
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Hispanics march in Milwaukee against immigration bills
(CNN) -- Thousands of demonstrators marched in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, on Thursday to oppose tough anti-immigration legislation sponsored by their Republican Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner.
House Resolution 4437
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/23/latino.march/index.html
House Resolution 4437 would make all undocumented immigrants felons and require all employers to verify the immigration status of its employees.
The House already has passed Sensenbrenner's bill, and Sen. Bill Frist, R-Tennessee, has introduced a companion bill in the Senate that also would make it a felony to be in the United States without the proper paperwork.
Sensenbrenner said in a statement last year that his bill would help "regain control of our borders and prevent illegal immigration" as well as "help strengthen and promote our compassionate and welcoming legal immigration system." (Watch how Democrats would prefer a more holistic approach -- 2:0
About 30,000 protesters on Thursday marched into downtown Milwaukee as part of a demonstration titled "A Day Without Latinos" in which Latinos were encouraged to take time from their jobs to march, according to Voces de la Frontera, which organized the event. A police spokesman said the crowd was between 10,000 and 15,000.
Dozens of Milwaukee businesses also closed Thursday in protest.
"A Day Without Latinos," the theme of the Milwaukee protest, borrows its name from a 2004 comedy called "A Day Without a Mexican," in which California wakes up one day to find that its Hispanic residents have inexplicably disappeared.
The Milwaukee march was one of several recent protests organized across the nation by groups opposed to immigration bills considered by Congress.
The Senate Judiciary Committee has until Monday to vote on the competing legislation, but one Senate aide said the prospects on Senators taking action did not seem bright. The aide called negotiations in the Senate "slow going" and predicted a showdown over the bill.
Critics of the legislation say Sensenbrenner is trying to deport the 11 million to 12 million people who are in the United States illegally. Proponents say keeping tabs on immigrants is vital to national security. President Bush echoed that sentiment in comments to reporters Thursday.
"Part of enforcing our borders is to have a guest-worker program that encourages people to register their presence, so that we know who they are and says to them, 'If you're doing a job an American won't do, you're welcome here for a period of time to do that job.' " (Watch Bush push for a 'civil' debate over immigration -- 1:53)
But Democrats are saying the Frist and Sensenbrenner measures go too far.
"This bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself," said Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-New York.
The Web site for Voces de la Frontera, which in Spanish means Voices from the Border, states that in addition to turning immigrants into felons and pressuring employers, Sensenbrenner's bill also could affect immigrants' driving privileges and emergency medical care.
Voces de la Frontera, a Milwaukee-based organization focused on educating low-wage and immigrant workers about their rights, said in a statement that Sensenbrenner's bill essentially "would destroy our human dignity."
Other protests are planned in Atlanta, where an alliance of Hispanic organizations is encouraging Latino residents to participate in a commercial boycott and work stoppage Friday to demonstrate how Latinos help bolster the Georgia economy.
On Saturday more than 2,500 groups plan to participate in a rally in Los Angeles, California. The state ranks first in Hispanic population, according to the Census Bureau. Organizers are predicting that up to 500,000 people will attend, and they hope to outdo Chicago, Illinois, where an estimated 300,000 protesters demonstrated two weeks ago.
Chicago's record turnout was achieved because Sensenbrenner and Frist have introduced some of "the most restrictive immigration legislation in 70 years," said Doug Rivlin, spokesman for the National Immigration Forum.
"It doesn't fix our immigration system. It only drives it underground," he said
Regulation on our borders has to start somewhere. There are legal ways of seeking citizenship.The Hispanics that protested ..to me, seem ill guided. Sure they have families "on the other side" but it doesnt help the cause of better border policies to protest. If your in this country as an illegal we dont want you. Sure Its okay to have a straggler here and there feeding on bisquit hand outs off our back porch.Getting paid under the table..... BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A WHOLE CULTURE OF PEOPLE doing that and imposing theirselves, frankly. It isnt welcome.
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motherface
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 00:37 Post subject:
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I disagree that it's ok to have a straggler here and there, all illegal aliens should be deported... I don't know how there can even be debate on this topic, or how Bush can consider making them all citizens.
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Thenger
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 10:24 Post subject:
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| motherface wrote: | | I disagree that it's ok to have a straggler here and there, all illegal aliens should be deported... I don't know how there can even be debate on this topic, or how Bush can consider making them all citizens. |
I think he is confused, I belive in his mind he can run for Pres 3 times, so he is trying to get more voteres! 
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Kitsumi
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 15:06 Post subject:
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Next news story, of the 30,000 protesters, 29,500 arrested and deported.....
Seriously make being an illegal immigrant a felony that's punishable by death, or find some island to send them to (like cuba) and round em up. I get tired of paying for them.
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 15:12 Post subject:
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Put a reservist with a case of ammo every 500 yars along the border. Tell him to give one warning to anyone going over the fence, then start shooting. He doesn't have to kill the person, just make him dance, dance back over the to other side. Thats the cheapest way to end the problem:)
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 15:20 Post subject:
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| Kitsumi wrote: | Next news story, of the 30,000 protesters, 29,500 arrested and deported.....
Seriously make being an illegal immigrant a felony that's punishable by death, or find some island to send them to (like cuba) and round em up. I get tired of paying for them.
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I didnt know they taxed u that bad for playing eq? 
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Pags
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 15:20 Post subject:
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| kbarr wrote: | | Put a reservist with a case of ammo every 500 yars along the border. Tell him to give one warning to anyone going over the fence, then start shooting. He doesn't have to kill the person, just make him dance, dance back over the to other side. Thats the cheapest way to end the problem:) |
Plus look on the bright side, alot more people would sign up for the reserves!
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goatface
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 15:30 Post subject:
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i am sure the info is on the web
but local tv news out of chicago had a good report
a mini boom in house sales, due to many banks now giving loans to
illegals.
so what if they get deported, fed covers the loan for them....
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Pags
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 15:39 Post subject:
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| goatface wrote: | | i am sure the info is on the webbut local tv news out of chicago had a good report a mini boom in house sales, due to many banks now giving loans to illegals. so what if they get deported, fed covers the loan for them.... |
There.
Is it so hard to not write in fragments?
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Reebo
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 16:01 Post subject:
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I think if the illegals have been here long enough are working with no criminal record then they should be given a chance to become a citizen.
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goatface
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 16:01 Post subject:
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| Pags wrote: | | goatface wrote: | | i am sure the info is on the webbut local tv news out of chicago had a good report a mini boom in house sales, due to many banks now giving loans to illegals. so what if they get deported, fed covers the loan for them.... |
There.
Is it so hard to not write in fragments? |
took me years to get to this level
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kbarr
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 16:34 Post subject:
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| Reebo wrote: | | I think if the illegals have been here long enough are working with no criminal record then they should be given a chance to become a citizen. |
Thats because you think like the enemy. I don't view you, or people who think like you, as Americans.
Thats not to say i don't understand why you think like this. I do. Because of this I don't see you as on my side of the conflict. Odds are the conflict with build and build, some day it will get violent. I know where my sights will be aimed, I bet you know where you will be aming too. Look around, see who you have on your side? LOL I bet my side wins:)
To bad it won't happen in our lifetime, no matter, i will leave the tools to my son, who will pass them on.
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 16:35 Post subject:
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| Reebo wrote: | | I think if the illegals have been here long enough are working with no criminal record then they should be given a chance to become a citizen. |
Seeing as they are breaking the law by coming here illegally, none of them would qualify for citizenship anyway...
Regardless, the fact that this debate even exists points to the ridiculous amount of power political lobbies have in this country. Not only is it being argued that we shouldn't be able to deport people who are here illegally but these groups are going so far as to argue that illegal immigrants should be granted additional privileges such as emergency healthcare and drivers licenses as well.
No one is saying that we don't want Latinos. People are saying that we have a process setup through which you can enter this country legally and we expect immigrants to respect that process. This is not unreasonable. What is unreasonable is that we, as a society, are expected to ignore the fact that illegals are, in fact, criminals by virtue of the fact that they are breaking the aforementioned immigration laws. And we are now expected to grant them privileges that should only rightly be granted to US citizens.
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khrath
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 16:40 Post subject:
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lol mexicans are like fuuuuck white boy, i been legit for tree jears here in america, cut your best home boy some slack eh?
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 17:18 Post subject:
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| goatface wrote: | i am sure the info is on the web
but local tv news out of chicago had a good report
a mini boom in house sales, due to many banks now giving loans to
illegals.
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Yeah section Eight housing.
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I think if the illegals have been here long enough are working with no criminal record then they should be given a chance to become a citizen.
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You are wrong... the moment you typed illegals.
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Reebo
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 18:47 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | You are wrong... the moment you typed illegals. |
It's an opinion not a fact.
The problem is I am not thinking like a liberal at all I am thinking in terms of money.
So many companies most owned by people who vote and consider themselves republicans like having illegals, here in Miami you see it all the time companies taking advantage of them.
As long as they do the work most whites and blacks don't want to do you can cry all you want they won't kick them out.
Do you really think I care about illegals? Please stop trying to make me some bleeding heart liberal, this is all about business. The leverage you have on an undocumented worker keeps many businesses running.
You will never find someone to kick them all out.
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kbarr
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 18:55 Post subject:
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| Reebo wrote: | | Quote: | | You are wrong... the moment you typed illegals. |
It's an opinion not a fact.
The problem is I am not thinking like a liberal at all I am thinking in terms of money.
So many companies most owned by people who vote and consider themselves republicans like having illegals, here in Miami you see it all the time companies taking advantage of them.
As long as they do the work most whites and blacks don't want to do you can cry all you want they won't kick them out.
Do you really think I care about illegals? Please stop trying to make me some bleeding heart liberal, this is all about business. The leverage you have on an undocumented worker keeps many businesses running.
You will never find someone to kick them all out. |
Do you think its possible that we have a civil war here, in the next 150 yrs,give or take?
I see the makings of it ever day I put the news on.
You think its not possible?
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 20:19 Post subject:
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| Reebo wrote: |
The problem is I am not thinking like a liberal at all I am thinking in terms of money.
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So thats a problem to you????? not thinking like a liberal??
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Do you really think I care about illegals? Please stop trying to make me some bleeding heart liberal, this is all about business. The leverage you have on an undocumented worker keeps many businesses running.
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What keeps businesses running are people with an education. Undocumented workers will be on a downfall in years to come. Why you ask? Its like evolution. What we thought way back when was socially un acceptable. Is acceptable now. In relation to the work place. Companys are stiffining up.... laws are stiffining up. Thats why you see Companys in America out sourceing their factories to other countrys. 1) They are avoiding American laws 2) They are saving money.etc. Its all relative.
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motherface
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 20:35 Post subject:
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| Reebo wrote: | | I think if the illegals have been here long enough are working with no criminal record then they should be given a chance to become a citizen. |
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Reebo
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 20:38 Post subject:
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What keeps businesses running are people with an education. Undocumented workers will be on a downfall in years to come. Why you ask? Its like evolution. What we thought way back when was socially un acceptable. Is acceptable now. In relation to the work place. Companys are stiffining up.... laws are stiffining up. Thats why you see Companys in America out sourceing their factories etc. Its all relative. |
First I said many businesses not business in general. We all know educated workers are going to be the heads of the business; I am talking about the business that can’t outsource as easily, like jobs working on the docks.
Companies working with the fishing industry hiring undocumented workers, still much of the service industry has illegals working for them, how many reports have you seen on cases like these?
Almost every time they do a piece you see some guy telling people that, yes they rather not break the law but they cannot find someone to cut fish all day for what they pay. Yes the laws get tougher I have seen first hand an illegal taken away and a company fined.
You may personally hate the idea of these people but to many business people relay on them and this is not going to change anytime soon, which is why neither democrat nor republican will ever fully do away with it.
You are correct however companies are out sourcing but there are too many jobs we just can’t out source and those jobs are not being filled by enough legal Americans. Please if I am wrong educate me, show me that too much interest does not still remain in keeping some of the illegals around.
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 20:41 Post subject:
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Anyone find it slightly unnerving that 30,000 people, most likely a high percentage of whom are here illegally are marching and forming en masse to protest something like this? Can you imagine what would happen if they decided to "take matters into their own hands" after this legislation passes, if it does?
It could get ugly!
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 21:07 Post subject:
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I find it slightly unnerving that people who aren't citizens of the US have a say in the formation of our laws... 
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Reebo
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 21:25 Post subject:
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| Nuldaan wrote: | | I find it slightly unnerving that people who aren't citizens of the US have a say in the formation of our laws... |
I agree but think about it, there are a bunch of legal Hispanics who will back the illegal onces then mix in the bleeding hearts and as i said before the corporations who want at least some illegals around.
This is the result.
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 22:06 Post subject:
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| kbarr wrote: | | Put a reservist with a case of ammo every 500 yars along the border. Tell him to give one warning to anyone going over the fence, then start shooting. He doesn't have to kill the person, just make him dance, dance back over the to other side. Thats the cheapest way to end the problem:) |
300 yards!
I would seriously join the reserves for that job. It'd be like taking a weekend off to hunt and fish once a month. Except you're hunting wetbacks. With a high powered rifle. In a tower. Who wouldn't want to do that for a few days after their wife/friends/girlfriends p****d them off all week?
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 03/24/06 - 23:25 Post subject:
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| Reebo wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | | I find it slightly unnerving that people who aren't citizens of the US have a say in the formation of our laws... |
I agree but think about it, there are a bunch of legal Hispanics who will back the illegal onces then mix in the bleeding hearts and as i said before the corporations who want at least some illegals around.
This is the result. |
About the legal Hispanics, I don't think legal immigrants are the ones pushing this agenda. On the contrary, nearly every immigrant I've ever talked to HATES this garbage. They waited in line and did everything legally and can't stand the fact that others would have the gall to come here illegally and then complain when they get treated like illegals.
Now second generation immigrants are something else entirely. Having never had to work their way through our immigration bureaucracy, they take their citizenship for granted (as do most people, of any race, that are born in this country). I have no doubts that they would support this as part of a misguided attempt at connecting with their heritage.
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Posted: 03/25/06 - 01:07 Post subject:
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| kbarr wrote: | | Put a reservist with a case of ammo every 500 yars along the border. Tell him to give one warning to anyone going over the fence, then start shooting. He doesn't have to kill the person, just make him dance, dance back over the to other side. Thats the cheapest way to end the problem:) |
Shit, sign me up.
The issue of immigration, legal or otherwise, just really gets me. We're too nice. We don't punish illegals enough, and we give way too many concessions to the ones that come over legally.
And just when you think I'd agree with conservatives on this issue... clowns like Bush turn a blind eye. The man can do no right.
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Posted: 03/25/06 - 01:32 Post subject:
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| kbarr wrote: | | Reebo wrote: | | Quote: | | You are wrong... the moment you typed illegals. |
It's an opinion not a fact.
The problem is I am not thinking like a liberal at all I am thinking in terms of money.
So many companies most owned by people who vote and consider themselves republicans like having illegals, here in Miami you see it all the time companies taking advantage of them.
As long as they do the work most whites and blacks don't want to do you can cry all you want they won't kick them out.
Do you really think I care about illegals? Please stop trying to make me some bleeding heart liberal, this is all about business. The leverage you have on an undocumented worker keeps many businesses running.
You will never find someone to kick them all out. |
Do you think its possible that we have a civil war here, in the next 150 yrs,give or take?
I see the makings of it ever day I put the news on.
You think its not possible? |
There won't be a civil war, atleast not a right vs left one like you imagine. Liberals don't have enough of a backbone to stand up for anything they believe in.
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A cival war, hmm... I wonder, were slaves in the south US citizens? What would you say of the northerners who helped escaped slaves 'break the law' by escaping.
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kbarr
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Posted: 03/25/06 - 14:38 Post subject:
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| Brael wrote: | | kbarr wrote: | | Reebo wrote: | | Quote: | | You are wrong... the moment you typed illegals. |
It's an opinion not a fact.
The problem is I am not thinking like a liberal at all I am thinking in terms of money.
So many companies most owned by people who vote and consider themselves republicans like having illegals, here in Miami you see it all the time companies taking advantage of them.
As long as they do the work most whites and blacks don't want to do you can cry all you want they won't kick them out.
Do you really think I care about illegals? Please stop trying to make me some bleeding heart liberal, this is all about business. The leverage you have on an undocumented worker keeps many businesses running.
You will never find someone to kick them all out. |
Do you think its possible that we have a civil war here, in the next 150 yrs,give or take?
I see the makings of it ever day I put the news on.
You think its not possible? |
There won't be a civil war, atleast not a right vs left one like you imagine. Liberals don't have enough of a backbone to stand up for anything they believe in. |
We need to get rid of the liberals. I can think of no better way to make the reebos of the world into nice landfills.
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kbarr
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Posted: 03/25/06 - 14:55 Post subject:
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| Manuva wrote: | | kbarr wrote: | | Put a reservist with a case of ammo every 500 yars along the border. Tell him to give one warning to anyone going over the fence, then start shooting. He doesn't have to kill the person, just make him dance, dance back over the to other side. Thats the cheapest way to end the problem:) |
300 yards!
I would seriously join the reserves for that job. It'd be like taking a weekend off to hunt and fish once a month. Except you're hunting wetbacks. With a high powered rifle. In a tower. Who wouldn't want to do that for a few days after their wife/friends/girlfriends p****d them off all week? |
Why 300?, my 300 WSM can reach out to 1 click with me behind the scope. Its a learned skill, anyone can get the hang of it.
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