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Majy
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 Posted: 03/06/05 - 17:04 Post subject: High level priests? Talent questions
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Couple of questions on talents (I just started playing like a week ago so bear with me =P). This is a little long, so if you have no interest in the priest class or reading questions about the priest talents, reading this will hurt your brain.
While I enjoy some good PvP, I'm not playing on a PvP server and as a priest my primarily ability is to heal (obviously). But a lot of the Holy talents seem extremely useless or just not worth my time, and I've always enjoyed being able to take care of myself so naturally a lot of the shadow talents look appealling.
I've been doing a little research and it seems Vampiric Embrace can be a pretty useful tool for healing, but obviously isn't enough... I looked through a lot of peoples completed (or planned) talent tree's and notice most people go mostly shadow or holy and dumb the rest into discipline.
I like a lot of the threat reduction and mana reduction talents and things along that line which I can benefit from in the high end game when grouping is a regularity. I definitely like talents that increase healing efficiency.
I'm not trying to drag on - sorry. Basically, I'm just wondering what talents are really useful in the long run? I want an emphasis on healing abilities, but obviously maxing out the holy talent tree is f*****g useless, but would it even be worth the points to put into shadow after I've put like 20ish points into holy? And what discipline talents are really useful?
Lastly, kind of a random specific question just because it's something I've been looking at... would there be any point in building the shadow tree down to vampiric embrace and putting like 20ish points into the holy tree and leaving very little (like say 5) for discipline? I think I'm underestimating the discipline tree - I would think the improved buffs would be useful but how much so?
I guess I'd just like to know really what talents are the most useful and what is the best way to build your talent tree (not asking WHATS BETTER SHADOW OR HOLY OMGZ but more so do you really benefit that much from choosing between the 2?)
Thanks, sorry for the length.
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Xenden
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Joined: 08 Jan 2003
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Posted: 03/06/05 - 17:24 Post subject: Re: High level priests? Talent questions
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| Majy wrote: | Couple of questions on talents (I just started playing like a week ago so bear with me =P). This is a little long, so if you have no interest in the priest class or reading questions about the priest talents, reading this will hurt your brain.
While I enjoy some good PvP, I'm not playing on a PvP server and as a priest my primarily ability is to heal (obviously). But a lot of the Holy talents seem extremely useless or just not worth my time, and I've always enjoyed being able to take care of myself so naturally a lot of the shadow talents look appealling.
I've been doing a little research and it seems Vampiric Embrace can be a pretty useful tool for healing, but obviously isn't enough... I looked through a lot of peoples completed (or planned) talent tree's and notice most people go mostly shadow or holy and dumb the rest into discipline.
I like a lot of the threat reduction and mana reduction talents and things along that line which I can benefit from in the high end game when grouping is a regularity. I definitely like talents that increase healing efficiency.
I'm not trying to drag on - sorry. Basically, I'm just wondering what talents are really useful in the long run? I want an emphasis on healing abilities, but obviously maxing out the holy talent tree is f*****g useless, but would it even be worth the points to put into shadow after I've put like 20ish points into holy? And what discipline talents are really useful?
Lastly, kind of a random specific question just because it's something I've been looking at... would there be any point in building the shadow tree down to vampiric embrace and putting like 20ish points into the holy tree and leaving very little (like say 5) for discipline? I think I'm underestimating the discipline tree - I would think the improved buffs would be useful but how much so?
I guess I'd just like to know really what talents are the most useful and what is the best way to build your talent tree (not asking WHATS BETTER SHADOW OR HOLY OMGZ but more so do you really benefit that much from choosing between the 2?)
Thanks, sorry for the length. |
Im too lazy to read your post, but if I was to create a priest id probably go all shadow till 40, then just redo my talents and go holy for the grouping.
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Occulis
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Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Location: Moral Relativity Central
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Posted: 03/06/05 - 17:39 Post subject:
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I'm too lazy to edit your post, so let's just assume you were asking about Brad, and why he is too busy calling Desaitar to call you any more.
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Xenden
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Joined: 08 Jan 2003
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Posted: 03/06/05 - 17:40 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | | I'm too lazy to edit your post, so let's just assume you were asking about Brad, and why he is too busy calling Desaitar to call you any more. |
*waves hand around in air* "Slap hands! Slap hands!"
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Rossie1
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Joined: 14 Mar 2003
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Posted: 03/06/05 - 21:39 Post subject:
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I have a 60 human priest, guild doing onyxia/MC so am seeing what little high end there is.
Alot of priests go pretty much full shadow spec up until 50's as shadow kicks ass soloing. Higher up you get you will need to be doing instances more and more and talents should go to holy/disc. I dont have a single point in shadow.
My build is (from memory)
Holy
Improved Renew 5/5
Spiritual Healing 5/5
Improved Healing 5/5
Improved Flash Heal 2/2
Improved Prayer of Healing 2/2
Spirit of Redemption 1/1
Master Healer 5/5
Disc
Improved Power Word Shield 3/3
Improved Power Word Fortitude 2/2
Mental Agility 5/5
Mental Strength 5/5
Inner Focus 1/1
I think thats it
I have everything into getting as much mana as i can, heals doing as much as they can and as fast as they can. Numerous times my Spirit healer has popped up and saved a stack of ppl when ive gone down. And Inner Focus is awsome 5 min recast time and ability lets you cast next spell using no mana, its great for casting Prayer of fort 2 which is 3060mana.. inner focus makes it 0. Also good for long fights lets you cast a free Big heal normally 942mana for nothing.
Everyone has their own preference, id just work out what you want to do, solo more then go shadow till your higher lvl, if you like grouping more in instances then go disc/holy.
Hope that helps
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Zagarash
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Joined: 02 Dec 2004
Posts: 145
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Posted: 03/07/05 - 09:19 Post subject:
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Not too far from Rossie...
Disc
Unbreakable Will 5/5 (Rossie forgot to mention that  )
Improved PW:Shield 3/3 - A must
Improved PW:Fortitude 2/2
Martyrdom 2/2 - Let me cast uninterrupted when getting a crit on me... Mostly useful when packs of little trash is on me (ie, BRS spiders when 1 grouping it). Took it mostly for....
Focused Casting 1/1 - Uninterrupted triggered casting. Great escape, make a hotkey with 2 flash heals.
Mental agility 5/5 - Many of our buffs, DoT, debuffs are instant.
Mental strength 5/5 - 10% more mana, a must
Inner Focus 1/1 - Free spell every 5min
Meditation 5/5 - 15% mana regen while casting... Couldn't think of anything else to put it in
Holy
Improved Renew 5/5 - A must
Spiritual Healing 5/5 - A must
Subtlety 5/5 - A must (Rossie forgot to mention that too, probably has it)
Improved Healing 5/5 - A must
Improved Flash Heal 2/2 - Sometimes a life saver
I have been tempted to move meditation points, mostly to get Improved Player of Healings... Spirit of Redemption is neat, but kinda defeat the prupose too, I mean, if your priest dies, it usually isn't going too well. No clue what I'd do with the remaining points.
Master Healer is a waste imo. 0.5sec saved on 4sec casts means jack. If it was 1sec instead, I'd take it though, but not 5 points to shave 0.5sec.
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Rossie1
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Joined: 14 Mar 2003
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Posted: 03/07/05 - 18:22 Post subject:
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I found master healer makes a massive difference. Before I had it the number of times tank would die JUST before heal hit was to many (and no not cause i suck at a priest) in long fights want to conserve mana as much as possible. Things like Mortal strike where all of a sudden ya tank goes from fullhealth to very low is prime example of when its good. Also makes a big difference with MC when things do hit and crit alot and hard.
Spiritual healer does seem a waste, but with the number of bloody pallys in the game if I go down then sometimes the healer is enough to keep others alive and if pally in group can just res me after. There isnt another talent where 1 point into it is going to make any sort of real difference, this can make a difference now and again, even 1 in 10 is better than nothing.
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Zagarash
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Joined: 02 Dec 2004
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Posted: 03/08/05 - 10:24 Post subject:
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| Rossie1 wrote: | | I found master healer makes a massive difference. Before I had it the number of times tank would die JUST before heal hit was to many (and no not cause i suck at a priest) in long fights want to conserve mana as much as possible. Things like Mortal strike where all of a sudden ya tank goes from fullhealth to very low is prime example of when its good. Also makes a big difference with MC when things do hit and crit alot and hard. |
I do PWS for Mortal Strike first, since they're not affected by the heal penalty. 942 damage for 450 mana (with Mental Agility). Greater heal with a Mortal Strike is 1471 damage for 816 mana (with Spiritual Healing and Improved Healing). Not to mention that PWS is instant and less aggro than a heal. Actually, my hotkey for a Mortal Strike is PWS, Regen, wait 1sec, Greater Heal (which most of the time lands after the MS is gone).
Yeah MC stuff is harder, but the guy is not in MC yet and has time to respec before that anyway 
Which leads me to think that he should really put all into shadow, level up to 55 than respec and make his own choices. Everyone will tell you the same core talents, the fringe ones are personnal choices.
| Quote: | | Spiritual healer does seem a waste, but with the number of bloody pallys in the game if I go down then sometimes the healer is enough to keep others alive and if pally in group can just res me after. There isnt another talent where 1 point into it is going to make any sort of real difference, this can make a difference now and again, even 1 in 10 is better than nothing. |
It's not exactly a waste, maybe I worded myself incorrectly... I just meant that it's not something that helps you as a priest, because when it's triggered, well, you're dead, which is not a good thing. But yeah, I've been toying with Focused Casting and Spirit of Redemption... Not sure yet, I've been using prayer of healings a lot more recently too, the 20% less mana on it might be interesting.
There was a MC guild where all priests respecced to shadow and no one on raid noticed... Nurfed I think?
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tryn
Toomuchtimeonhands
Joined: 01 Jan 2003
Posts: 829
Location: Paris
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Posted: 03/15/05 - 05:32 Post subject:
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im a 60 priest on a pvp server.
i use 28 disc/22 holy and for the most part it works very well 
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Ishmobbin
( . )( . )'s Are Fun!
Joined: 09 Oct 2002
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Location: Texas
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Posted: 03/15/05 - 22:45 Post subject:
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i was gunna be holy ( and prolly will be when i get 60 ) I play on a PVP server and am 49 atm, i can own ppl 3-4 lvls higher than me easily with shadowform and vamp embrace.
I respeced shadow to lvl faster, i get alot more solo exp now, was getting around 16k hour ( i know i suck ). Now i get 25k+ an hour.
Shadow doessnt kick in until you hit 40, then i added disc and its looking ok for now.
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tryn
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Posted: 03/18/05 - 17:05 Post subject:
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| Ishmobbin wrote: | i was gunna be holy ( and prolly will be when i get 60 ) I play on a PVP server and am 49 atm, i can own ppl 3-4 lvls higher than me easily with shadowform and vamp embrace.
I respeced shadow to lvl faster, i get alot more solo exp now, was getting around 16k hour ( i know i suck ). Now i get 25k+ an hour.
Shadow doessnt kick in until you hit 40, then i added disc and its looking ok for now. |
alot of 40-55 ish priests do just that in order to lvl faster. when battlegrounds comes out i might respec and add a few things from the shadow, but if you're a heal ho for raids you're going to want spirit of redemption for when you eat it thats my favourite skill in holy.
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