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Scrabler
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 Posted: 06/20/05 - 16:04 Post subject: Hey Kbarr..
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I was browsing the DU and I found the oh so rare 'liberal seeing the light'. f**s and freaks(lauren), die.
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My first Gay Pride parade (Portland yesterday)
I'm proud to say, that as a heterosexual male I attended my first ever Gay Pride parade in Portland Oregon yesterday. Moving from the midwest just two years ago (the land of Fred Phelps) I'm pleased and proud to live in a city that can hold a gay pride parade without the threat of massive protests and perhaps violence. Seeing the floats, the support of many faith communities who participated, the support of legislators, and the support of the community was wonderful! Everyday people celebrating "Gay Pride".
Now, I've always considered myself a progressive, and am very open to diversity of lifestyles and free expression. That being said, I have to say that I had some very mixed feelings about the Gay Pride Parade yesterday. With the risk of being majorly flamed...I have to say this:
At times, I wasn't sure whether or not I was at a Gay Pride parade or a **** Fetish parade.
Now, before anyone goes completely defensive and begins flaming me, hear me out. Time and again I hear the gay community telling me that being gay isn't about **** and is definitely not a **** "fetish". Now granted, **** happens with gay people just as it does with people who aren't gay. Also, **** fetishes are just as common among heterosexuals as those who are gay. But why the open display of **** fetishes during the parade?
Some examples included BDSM and S/M displays, D/s (Dominatrixes and their subs wearing fetish clothing), Doms in leather cracking whips toward their subs, topless women shaking their breasts at the spectators, Drag queens and gender FETISHISTS, not to mention the behavior of some of the spectators (seeing a guy simulating oral **** on his friend on the sidewalk, perhaps just an isolated incident but I witnessed lots of references to ****..****...**** among participants AND spectators). I know being gay is not just about ****..but WHY all the **** connotation?
Let me say that I'm all for a woman's right to go topless, but running up to a spectator and shaking their breats in their face goes beyond that.
Let me also say that I fully support transgendered persons and the variety of expressions how that shows up in the world.
My question again goes back to this: Why the mix of **** fetish play with the Gay Pride theme. Everyday people? Gays, lesbians, and transgendered are definitely every day people. Fetishists running through the streets are not. There is a time and a place for that and let me add that I completely support that right also.
Again, I fully support equal rights (including marriage) for gays, lesbians, and transgendered persons. I have many good friends who are gay, l*****n, and transgendered. I don't however think they are very well represented as "everyday people" by the **** displays and innuendos at the Gay Pride Parade. I think that these types of displays do a huge dis-service to the gay community at large. And in a media driven world that reports the extreme, the **** fetish displays don't portray the gay, l*****n, and transgender community as "Everyday People".
Thanks for letting me share.
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Owyyn
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 16:17 Post subject:
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I agree whole heartidly with that. Gay pride parades are just plain f****d up.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 16:20 Post subject:
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Lighten up. Parades are always exaggerations. Celebrations are exaggerations.
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Nemo
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 17:03 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | | Lighten up. Parades are always exaggerations. Celebrations are exaggerations. |
True but you dont see anal **** during the Thanksgiving day parade.....at least not on a regular basis.
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Celestra
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 17:06 Post subject:
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| Nemo wrote: | | sinrakin wrote: | | Lighten up. Parades are always exaggerations. Celebrations are exaggerations. |
True but you dont see anal **** during the Thanksgiving day parade.....at least not on a regular basis. |
That's because it stinks! 
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kbarr
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 17:21 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | | Lighten up. Parades are always exaggerations. Celebrations are exaggerations. |
You are the type of people that need to die in the next civil war.
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Celestra
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 17:32 Post subject:
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Who gives a f**k.
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Paco
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 17:39 Post subject:
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| Celestra wrote: | | Who gives a f**k. |
you do!
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Orbit
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 18:42 Post subject:
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| Nemo wrote: | | sinrakin wrote: | | Lighten up. Parades are always exaggerations. Celebrations are exaggerations. |
True but you dont see anal **** during the Thanksgiving day parade.....at least not on a regular basis. |
Lets talk Mardi Gras
1) Tits and **** every where..
2) Starts after Good Friday??? OMG get Jesus some beads Please!
3) From the South. Oh my one the most Conservative areas.
So get off your high horse and understand that Heteros do it too.. 
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Nahualli
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 18:46 Post subject:
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| Nemo wrote: |
True but you dont see anal **** during the Thanksgiving day parade.....at least not on a regular basis. |
I agree with the article as well. However, I have yet to see anal **** at a parade. I've seen nudity, for sure.. but not actual **** (as in any kind of intercourse).
Most of the problem is the reality of the parades - they are dripping with innuendo, no question about that. However, there's something to be said of peoples' perceptions of it, like Nemo's. I don't know what all goes on at those parades all over the world. To tell the truth I tend to avoid them like the plague if possible, but I have attended a few such functions, and I have yet to see any "actual" ****, until now it's only been innuendo or nudity.
The one thing I will say about the gay community, is it's an oxymoron. It's a myth there is or ever was such a thing. I don't believe there is a gay community. I believe that whatever there is out there in the streets of the city is just a poor mockery of one.
-Nah-
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Qaldyin
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 18:50 Post subject:
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Dude, Mardi Gras is held in an area that has a lot of FRENCH history. You can't use that shit as an example. And technically you aren't allowed to flash people for beads. Those weird f*****s wearing weird shit at a parade thought about what they were doing before hand...
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Nahualli
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 18:50 Post subject: Re: Hey Kbarr..
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| Scrabler wrote: |
Let me say that I'm all for a woman's right to go topless, but running up to a spectator and shaking their breats in their face goes beyond that. |
It's little things like this I have a problem with. When this happened at both Mardi Gras and Carnivale, the crowds loved it. Is it only a coincidence both those celebrations are (in most parts of the world) primarily straight? I don't think so.
-Nah-
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Nahualli
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 18:53 Post subject:
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| Qaldyin wrote: | | Dude, Mardi Gras is held in an area that has a lot of FRENCH history. |
I don't see why it's any different, frankly. I think Kbarr's take on the whole thing was there was no reason to give people who were basically **** harassing the masses city permits to be perverts. It doesn't matter if the origins of it are French, Brazilian or anywhere else. They're being issued city permits to be "rowdy" in the streets. What's the difference, exactly?
For what it's worth I think both events are over the top. I used to go to them to be able to say I've been to them, but I don't go there anymore. Pride weekend is a perfect time of the year to go to Lake Tahoe for the weekend. Everyone's in the city, I find the quickest way out of it.
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Qaldyin
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 19:02 Post subject:
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I think you're partially right bro. But in Mardi Gras the crowd goes there to see tits. I guess you could say it is more acceptable because MOST people on the planet are hetero and that's is considered, without having to give it any thought, the norm.
Gay parades are kinda like Muslims having their parade in the South. They are the vast minority so the people on the roads would be like, "What that f**k?" When they start doing **** things during the gay pride parade then it would be pushing the envelope even more.
It's a double standard, and I don't think it is ever going to change.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 20:31 Post subject:
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It's a double standard. |
I guess we can stop there then. For the record, I don't enjoy parades, period. I don't tolerate people in large numbers well. Come to think of it. I don't think I like people in any numbers.
The one thing I will point out is that one of the contentions the author specifically had was that someone was flashing their tits in public. Yet he's a hetero male. So, the possibility of the tits in question being nasty dyke tits notwithstanding, since they're at a gay parade they're over the top but if it were a l*****n porn video, Mardi Gras or in a titty bar it would be ok and not close to "over the top".
Once again I'll point out that I don't enjoy any parade for any reason, but in the case of this article, even for those who claim to be understanding "moderates", hypocrisy is a very, very hard thing to mask.
-Nah-
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Celestra
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 20:33 Post subject:
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How about in letters?
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Nahualli
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 20:36 Post subject:
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| Celestra wrote: | How about in letters?
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That would appear to be the most agreeable form of humanity.
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Frehya
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 22:31 Post subject:
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I would venture a guess that the majority of people that show up for a gay pride parade do so with full knowledge of what can happen and what might be displayed considering the subject matter and the press its gotten in the past. Its downtown, people dont go there unless for a specific reason.
I have been meaning to go watch one and take my cameras and have some fun with it, but I never remember or realize its going on til there is something about it in the paper the next day.
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kbarr
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 22:43 Post subject:
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The parade is a freak fest. Disgusting. Truthfully, Its good to let them do it. It lets the normal, stupid people see what the freaks are all about. The stupid people need to be reminded of these things, the true freakishness of it all. The parade does an excellent job of that.
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Frehya
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 23:15 Post subject:
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| Nahualli wrote: |
The one thing I will point out is that one of the contentions the author specifically had was that someone was flashing their tits in public. Yet he's a hetero male. So, the possibility of the tits in question being nasty dyke tits notwithstanding, since they're at a gay parade they're over the top but if it were a l*****n porn video, Mardi Gras or in a titty bar it would be ok and not close to "over the top".
in the case of this article, even for those who claim to be understanding "moderates", hypocrisy is a very, very hard thing to mask.
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I dont think he was upset because it was an (assumed) l*****n per se, more that he felt that there was too much reference to **** and fetishists and yes, womens breasts as well in spectators faces and the whole thing crossed the line of representing gays as "everyday people"..
In general, there is very little breast flashing from everyday people in downtown Portland Oregon.
For you to say that he was being hipocritical is a bit of a stretch, I dont think you were given enough information on the man's thoughts about the breast displaying in particular.
you wrote: "but if it were a l*****n porn video, Mardi Gras or in a titty bar it would be ok and not close to "over the top".
I dont find anyplace where he states this, its a blind assumption on your part.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 06/20/05 - 23:41 Post subject:
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| Frehya wrote: | | Nahualli wrote: |
The one thing I will point out is that one of the contentions the author specifically had was that someone was flashing their tits in public. Yet he's a hetero male. So, the possibility of the tits in question being nasty dyke tits notwithstanding, since they're at a gay parade they're over the top but if it were a l*****n porn video, Mardi Gras or in a titty bar it would be ok and not close to "over the top".
in the case of this article, even for those who claim to be understanding "moderates", hypocrisy is a very, very hard thing to mask.
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I dont think he was upset because it was an (assumed) l*****n per se, more that he felt that there was too much reference to **** and fetishists and yes, womens breasts as well in spectators faces and the whole thing crossed the line of representing gays as "everyday people"..
In general, there is very little breast flashing from everyday people in downtown Portland Oregon.
For you to say that he was being hipocritical is a bit of a stretch, I dont think you were given enough information on the man's thoughts about the breast displaying in particular.
you wrote: "but if it were a l*****n porn video, Mardi Gras or in a titty bar it would be ok and not close to "over the top".
I dont find anyplace where he states this, its a blind assumption on your part. |
You're right. It was an assumption on my part. However, I'm willing to err on the side of experience in this case.
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Regan
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Posted: 06/21/05 - 04:15 Post subject:
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Fantasy fest down in key west, there's nudist, random people in body paint, some strieght people some gay people, you name it, and as far as I know nothing to do with the french other then however many tourists from france happen to be there.
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turnball
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Posted: 06/21/05 - 04:16 Post subject: Re: Hey Kbarr..
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| Scrabler wrote: | I was browsing the DU and I found the oh so rare 'liberal seeing the light'. f**s and freaks(lauren), die.
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My first Gay Pride parade (Portland yesterday)
I'm proud to say, that as a heterosexual male I attended my first ever Gay Pride parade in Portland Oregon yesterday. Moving from the midwest just two years ago (the land of Fred Phelps) I'm pleased and proud to live in a city that can hold a gay pride parade without the threat of massive protests and perhaps violence. Seeing the floats, the support of many faith communities who participated, the support of legislators, and the support of the community was wonderful! Everyday people celebrating "Gay Pride".
Now, I've always considered myself a progressive, and am very open to diversity of lifestyles and free expression. That being said, I have to say that I had some very mixed feelings about the Gay Pride Parade yesterday. With the risk of being majorly flamed...I have to say this:
At times, I wasn't sure whether or not I was at a Gay Pride parade or a **** Fetish parade.
Now, before anyone goes completely defensive and begins flaming me, hear me out. Time and again I hear the gay community telling me that being gay isn't about **** and is definitely not a **** "fetish". Now granted, **** happens with gay people just as it does with people who aren't gay. Also, **** fetishes are just as common among heterosexuals as those who are gay. But why the open display of **** fetishes during the parade?
Some examples included BDSM and S/M displays, D/s (Dominatrixes and their subs wearing fetish clothing), Doms in leather cracking whips toward their subs, topless women shaking their breasts at the spectators, Drag queens and gender FETISHISTS, not to mention the behavior of some of the spectators (seeing a guy simulating oral **** on his friend on the sidewalk, perhaps just an isolated incident but I witnessed lots of references to ****..****...**** among participants AND spectators). I know being gay is not just about ****..but WHY all the **** connotation?
Let me say that I'm all for a woman's right to go topless, but running up to a spectator and shaking their breats in their face goes beyond that.
Let me also say that I fully support transgendered persons and the variety of expressions how that shows up in the world.
My question again goes back to this: Why the mix of **** fetish play with the Gay Pride theme. Everyday people? Gays, lesbians, and transgendered are definitely every day people. Fetishists running through the streets are not. There is a time and a place for that and let me add that I completely support that right also.
Again, I fully support equal rights (including marriage) for gays, lesbians, and transgendered persons. I have many good friends who are gay, l*****n, and transgendered. I don't however think they are very well represented as "everyday people" by the **** displays and innuendos at the Gay Pride Parade. I think that these types of displays do a huge dis-service to the gay community at large. And in a media driven world that reports the extreme, the **** fetish displays don't portray the gay, l*****n, and transgender community as "Everyday People".
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Cryz
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Posted: 06/21/05 - 04:21 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | hey daddy!...
i went down to the creek and seen a frog, i put him in my sling shot and aimed it at that weird kid! the frog exploded on his head! hehehehe! |
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Posted: 06/21/05 - 04:49 Post subject:
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| Celestra wrote: | | Who gives a f**k. |
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