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Zab
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str was useless no matter what toon you drove. It was only good if you A) farmed HG's before the PP nerf and B) did deals in EC. You are wrong kbarr and wellspoken.
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kbarr
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Location: New York, now go fuck off...
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Posted: 03/08/05 - 02:35 Post subject:
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| Zab wrote: | | str was useless no matter what toon you drove. It was only good if you A) farmed HG's before the PP nerf and B) did deals in EC. You are wrong kbarr and wellspoken. |
Ok, so how many more things will you separate from the game so you can attempt to make a point that str was useless? I did both of these things. Playing the game with a weak toon sucked. I played both so I can say this with complete authority backed by extensive experience. Trolls where MUCH easier to play early on, mainly because of str.
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Zab
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Posted: 03/08/05 - 02:53 Post subject:
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| Kbarr wrote: | | Zab wrote: | | str was useless no matter what toon you drove. It was only good if you A) farmed HG's before the PP nerf and B) did deals in EC. You are wrong kbarr and wellspoken. |
Ok, so how many more things will you separate from the game so you can attempt to make a point that str was useless? I did both of these things. Playing the game with a weak toon sucked. I played both so I can say this with complete authority backed by extensive experience. Trolls where MUCH easier to play early on, mainly because of str. |
what did i seperate from the game? I gave two specific examples of when it was good and neither pertained to playing easier or harder. I believe it all comes down to you sucked and dont want to admit it. extensive experience and you got to lvl 62? roflmao.
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kbarr
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Location: New York, now go fuck off...
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Posted: 03/08/05 - 03:16 Post subject:
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| Zab wrote: | | Kbarr wrote: | | Zab wrote: | | str was useless no matter what toon you drove. It was only good if you A) farmed HG's before the PP nerf and B) did deals in EC. You are wrong kbarr and wellspoken. |
Ok, so how many more things will you separate from the game so you can attempt to make a point that str was useless? I did both of these things. Playing the game with a weak toon sucked. I played both so I can say this with complete authority backed by extensive experience. Trolls where MUCH easier to play early on, mainly because of str. |
what did i seperate from the game? I gave two specific examples of when it was good and neither pertained to playing easier or harder. I believe it all comes down to you sucked and dont want to admit it. extensive experience and you got to lvl 62? roflmao. |
Nerdling.
I had 180 days played on the DE and like 60 on the troll.
Then I quit, I had a moment of clarity.
Thats MORE than enough experience to say str was important EARLY on in the game for weak armor based toons. You need to read what people type. Early on when str gear was few and far between, playing a weak toon sucked. Str was important in playing the game a*****e. I'm not just talking about damage.
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Gethy
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Posted: 03/08/05 - 03:24 Post subject:
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From old world to Velious, possibly Luclin, all that mattered to a warrior was AC, HP and Sta.
Strength gave negligable returns so far as DPS goes. This goes for all classes.
To hit was determined by weapon skill.
Damage was determined by your weapon damage, weapon delay, damage bonus, and your class' damage table. Strength, as I stated (and was proven via innumerable damage equations during that time period) was negligable.
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Someone
Toomuchtimeonhands
Joined: 01 Apr 2004
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Posted: 03/08/05 - 03:25 Post subject:
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Agil plz
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Gethy
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Posted: 03/08/05 - 03:27 Post subject:
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Serpentine Bracers > *
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kbarr
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Posted: 03/08/05 - 03:33 Post subject:
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| Gethy wrote: | From old world to Velious, possibly Luclin, all that mattered to a warrior was AC, HP and Sta.
Strength gave negligable returns so far as DPS goes. This goes for all classes.
To hit was determined by weapon skill.
Damage was determined by your weapon damage, weapon delay, damage bonus, and your class' damage table. Strength, as I stated (and was proven via innumerable damage equations during that time period) was negligable. |
You are having an argument with yourself. I sure as shit never stated I was referring to damage. I was talking about playing the game, the whole game. No just about tanking a moss snake.
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Gethy
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Posted: 03/08/05 - 03:48 Post subject:
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I stated something out of the blue, that's about it. If it appeared argumentative in any way, shape or form, it's probably because you read it that way.
Having said that, my post was not directed at you.
Encumberance was nasty. Strength soothed that tremendously in EQ's early days. That's a benefit.
The amount of AC on certain items was so low that opting for 5-10 less AC for 4-5 STR was probably a boon to a character. That's a benefit.
No one's saying you're wrong; Strength was important when items were simpler, when they weren't full of +25 to all stats. Yeah, back then for a human melee character, it was hell running, encumbered, from Guk to Oasis to sell off those FS weapons.
Yes, strength mattered in that case.
And, yes, Eduin was a d**k for allowing a full bar on mana to stay as is just over "principle".
No one's arguing with themselves here. I merely reiterated how strength functioned within battle mechanics, which was, afterall, a good chunk of the game. And to your credit so was running to and fro (pre-PoP).
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Tamrissa
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Posted: 03/08/05 - 09:59 Post subject:
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 very very early on i was a str buff/gear junky
but i was a high elf pali in bronze. though some peices i couldnt wear cause they would make me encumbered so i stuck with banded, lol!
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Brael
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Posted: 03/08/05 - 14:41 Post subject:
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I repeat, weight reducing bags. Suddenly Str doesn't mean so much for convinence.
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Someone
Toomuchtimeonhands
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Posted: 03/08/05 - 16:33 Post subject:
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Cause people trying to put together their 11pp to buy Bronze armor had an extra lump sum of plat sitting around to fill themselves up with weight reduction bags.
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wellspoken
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Posted: 03/08/05 - 16:35 Post subject:
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| Zab wrote: | | str was useless no matter what toon you drove. It was only good if you A) farmed HG's before the PP nerf and B) did deals in EC. You are wrong kbarr and wellspoken. |
wrong
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