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Rj45
Total Newbie
Joined: 31 May 2007
Posts: 11
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 Posted: 07/05/07 - 10:50 Post subject: Help trading FF for WoW
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Hi everyone, I'm fairly new in this forums, and to the trade "industry" as well.
I just want to know if anyone knows any tips on how to trade a FF account for a WoW account and feel safe.
I got scammed like 6 days ago, i got a WoW account in exchange for my FF account, i used the WoW account for 1 month then had it recalled, and... to my sad fortune i found out that in FF you can't recall an account, i called play online and they said they need the current credit card info to change a password or ban an account... so... if someone scams you and changes the credit card you are screwed (<--- can i say this word in here?)
How do you guys get a WoW account and safely play it, i mean, i spent 1 month getting that lock from 63-70 and getting sweet items for him just to get it recalled.
I have a 75 RDM 75 BST account on FF... it's mine too i have cd keys and all, (yeah i was infatuated with FF) any pointers on how to trade this safely for a WoW account and feel that it'll never be recalled?
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Oneofus
Fresh Meat
Joined: 22 Jun 2007
Posts: 4
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Posted: 07/08/07 - 23:24 Post subject: reply
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Well, first I never feel comfortable "trading" anything with anyone. There has to be a lot of trust on both ends, and there's no paper trail if you will, to prove you were the original owner before the trade, or even if the trade did happen. Like you found out, in WoW it's very easy to recall a character, in FFXI, it's a pain in the butt and nearly impossible. SE requires 100% verification, meaning current CC. If you were scammed, and the CC changed, how are you suppose to know this? Personally I think SE's policy is a pos, but it's what we deal with currently.
My personal opinion, don't trade, sell. I'll sell you my FFXI account for $100 bucks through (choice of service IE. paypal), and then buy your account for $100 bucks. It's on the record, it's open for dispute, it helps protects against burns.
Another method is to get a phone number, and call them. Talk to them. If they sound shady, they might be. Remember the phone number you got? Plug it into a reverse address finder and find out where they are calling from. Make sure it matches the state and/or city listed on their "verified" paypal or ebay account. If they are verified, they are required to plug in true information, at least state. If it doesn't match, that's one red flag, inquire further. Even many cell phones will come up showing as registered out of a certain city. Yes people move, but best to be careful and ASK, rather than get scammed. Also, emails that come in have the IP of the sender in the header. Get the IP address and plug it into an IP detection site to match up the cities. This is public information, use it. Your looking for the city local to the phone number. If not this, is the city local to the address used on the paypal/ebay account? Anything that provides a multiple match is a positive.
Look up their username on the forums, make sure it's clean, make sure they've never come up as a listed scammer on another website. If you read these types of boards, and there's only a handful of them that "trade" and "buy/sell" accounts, and the scammers circulate among them. Their advertising techniques are similar, some words they use are the same, some ID's they use are similar to past ID's. Educate yourself to the scam techniques so you know how to avoid them. Ask questions ethical and sincere people won't mind answering, but will totally mess up a scammers intention. Eventually you will be able to spot a scammer from miles away. My personal first test is to secure a phone number. If the seller/buyer is unwilling to talk with me, and they could be phone shy, they're not eager to sell me an account. BUT, because that phone number provides a very important source of information, I know I'm not getting scammed by not doing business with them. Scammers like to avoid the phone I noticed.
Also, the community will announce when they have been scammed. This doesn't always result in finding out who scammed them, but look at the hints, any instant program log provided, advertising technique used. This might ring a bell for future scammers you come across. MOST people are actually honest people. Newer people to the industry, or those not yet introduced to the unethical people in this industry, will continue to be taken advantage of. My personal opinion is that I don't like to use a instant message program. I can't track anything useful I want to know.
I won't advertise this fully here, and it will require research of your own, it is possible to take control of ANY WoW account so that it can never be recalled by past owners. It doesn't matter if the original owner recalls the account, they won't be getting what they submitted to you. It costs money to do this in addition to your purchase, but it works and you become the sole owner of the account. I don't mean "any" account as in any account. I mean any account you purchase, will remain yours forever should you know how to do this, and are willing to spend the money.
Lastly, paypal (which I use and love), is a popular currency service. It's not as popular with people that trade and sell accounts, as any one party can get burned using it. It's not the program that burns people, it's the people that use the service, that don't know how to use the service that allows them to be burnt. If you learn to use the service, and filter out your buyers/sellers, you will rarely, if ever get scammed. Quick notes:
- Never accept a paypal invoice, ever.
- A famous line scammers use when using paypal is "I'll send an invoice, you send me the ID and PW in the notes section and I'll pay the invoice" They claim they can't see the ID and PW until they pay, it's a scam and they will take your account 2 minutes later. Because it's an invoice, they are not obligated to pay for it and will leaving it hanging indefinately. However, because you already supplied the login information, you have no action to take.
- Never use invoice, never sell or buy to/from unverified paypal members. Buy and sell only Verified through the standard method, as this is the only way it shows up on record, available for dispute should an issue arise.
- Get a followup email from your buyer/seller. Ask if they like the account. People will agrue this one, but it's saved my butt multiple times. Timestamped emails from the other party, especially multiple timestamped emails, prove the product was delivered. That's all you need to win a case usually for virtual items. For tangible items, it's a little different to dispute with.
Hope that's helpful. Not many people deliver a manual on account trading right out of the gate.
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Your question, how do you reclaim your wow account? Do you have the phone number registered, and answer to the secret question? Was the email address changed to you upon a trade? If yes, act quick and reset the password on the WoW website. If you can gain access to the account now, even only for a short time, you can take full ownership of it forever.
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