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themy
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well i mean what else can we do when hardly anyone aroudn the ages of 18 to 30 vote? of course there are going to be laws passed like higher medicare and higher SS. I wholeheartily believe that these programs should be done away with, well not medicare so much as SS. Why should people now pay into SS when they know they will not be getting anything out of it? The people still on SS have made like 20x what they put into the fund and that's a problem we have to deal with, but the only way it can be dealt with is the voting action of younger people which so far isn't happening.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 16:33 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | What IS Social Security?
The Social Security program was enacted in 1935 in response to the economic hardships imposed by the Great Depression. While the original program paid benefits to a limited number of retired workers, numerous expansions have made Social Security the most comprehensive public program in the United States. Over 90% of American workers participate in the Social Security system, contributing payroll taxes in exchange for publicly provided retirement, disability, and survivors' insurance for themselves and their families. In addition to providing near universal, as well as portable and inflation-resistant, insurance against earnings loss, the Social Security program has a redistributive function that shores up the retirement incomes of life-time low earners, a feature not available in private pension plans
Point : youre still gonna pay Social Security, might as well keep your benefits
Point: Bushs gross mismanagment is the direct reason for Greenfags reccomendation
If the Deficit wasnt so f****d, this topic wouldnt even exist.
Bush..d*****s of a new Century! |
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If social security wasnt a flawed program that paid out 20 times whats put into it by people we wouldnt have this problem, you still dont understand even basic economics or simply numbers. Greenspan never ever ever said that the problems with social security are bushs fault. He said the same shit in clintons admin but no one cared then cause we loved clinton and he was perfect!! Obviously the spirit of bush was back in 1935 and helped develope a flawed prorgam and also his spirit was in the 1950s when he caused the baby boom and thus the current SS deficits.
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Starks
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Again, this issue isn't left vs right, republican vs democrat, liberal vs conservative, black vs white, man vs woman. The issue is that George Walker Bush has done a horrible job running our country. The worst president our nation has ever had to experience. I know both sides, I have intimate conversations with people of all ranges over these kind of issues.
Bush is doing things exactly how great people such as Eiesenhower, Jefferson, Washington, and his own father even said to look out for. Picking a president has come down to which one will do the lesser evils. We made the right choice in the year 2000, but unfortunately the popular vote was not heard to this 'pseudo-deomocracy.'
Educate yourself, make a decision for yourself. Make a list of things that are important to you. Do not listen to people who won't listen to you. I am capable of admitting I am wrong when I am wrong, and often I am, but I will not take criticism from anyone who doesn't have the humility to admit when they are wrong.
Here is my list of things I look for when viewing the candidates:
1) Civil liberties: Will my rights be protected. Will the government try to interfere more and more with my life?
2) Education: What is the goal for our country's children? Will an environment be provided so they can be educated in the best way possible? How will they fare compared to the rest of the world?
3) Economy: The US is becoming a service based economy. How can we develop more high tech, skilled jobs and remain competitive on the global market?
4) Environment: There is a limited amount of resources. PERIOD. How can we maintain our quality of life for ourselves and our children and their children...and so on and so forth.
Little side note for Phoenix:
What happened when Bush was announced the winner the first time? The Dow INSTANTLY fell 800 points. INSTANTLY. What happened when Gore was said to be the winner? The Dow rose 750 points back to equilibrium. What happened again when Bush was finally declared president? The market fell again and New York state alone lost 36,000 jobs more than expected.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 16:41 Post subject:
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| Starks wrote: | Again, this issue isn't left vs right, republican vs democrat, liberal vs conservative, black vs white, man vs woman. The issue is that George Walker Bush has done a horrible job running our country. The worst president our nation has ever had to experience. I know both sides, I have intimate conversations with people of all ranges over these kind of issues.
Bush is doing things exactly how great people such as Eiesenhower, Jefferson, Washington, and his own father even said to look out for. Picking a president has come down to which one will do the lesser evils. We made the right choice in the year 2000, but unfortunately the popular vote was not heard to this 'pseudo-deomocracy.'
Educate yourself, make a decision for yourself. Make a list of things that are important to you. Do not listen to people who won't listen to you. I am capable of admitting I am wrong when I am wrong, and often I am, but I will not take criticism from anyone who doesn't have the humility to admit when they are wrong.
Here is my list of things I look for when viewing the candidates:
1) Civil liberties: Will my rights be protected. Will the government try to interfere more and more with my life?
2) Education: What is the goal for our country's children? Will an environment be provided so they can be educated in the best way possible? How will they fare compared to the rest of the world?
3) Economy: The US is becoming a service based economy. How can we develop more high tech, skilled jobs and remain competitive on the global market?
4) Environment: There is a limited amount of resources. PERIOD. How can we maintain our quality of life for ourselves and our children and their children...and so on and so forth.
Little side note for Phoenix:
What happened when Bush was announced the winner the first time? The Dow INSTANTLY fell 800 points. INSTANTLY. What happened when Gore was said to be the winner? The Dow rose 750 points back to equilibrium. What happened again when Bush was finally declared president? The market fell again and New York state alone lost 36,000 jobs more than expected. |
retard
and just an fyi we are not a democracy on the federal level we are a constitutional republic, theres a difference you should check it out.
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Starks
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 16:43 Post subject:
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You cannot do away with SS or Medicare in whole. They do need reform. But there are also many other things that need reform as well. There is too much red tape and inefficiency going on throughout America. To me that is singlehandedly by far the largest problem. I even think Tolanin and Phoenix have to agree with me on that. We need to become more efficient in every aspect. Too much money is spent on things that it doesn't need to be spent on. Clean up all the 'garbage' and we won't have messes such as these.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 16:45 Post subject:
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| Starks wrote: | | You cannot do away with SS or Medicare in whole. They do need reform. But there are also many other things that need reform as well. There is too much red tape and inefficiency going on throughout America. To me that is singlehandedly by far the largest problem. I even think Tolanin and Phoenix have to agree with me on that. We need to become more efficient in every aspect. Too much money is spent on things that it doesn't need to be spent on. Clean up all the 'garbage' and we won't have messes such as these. |
I agree, its not bushes fault tho, its been going on for a very very long time and is getting progressively worse, its just easier to see in times when the economy is down and money is tighter.
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 16:50 Post subject:
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| wellspoken wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: | | Starks wrote: | | Quote: | He has done nothing, just like every president before him, just like any of the democratic candidate will do. It is not a reason to vote democrat it is a reason to petition our current leaders who are just as likely to change SS than as anyone else to do so.
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Before Dubya took office the budget was BALANCED.
| Quote: | | I am so f*****g for this it's not even funny. I've paid tens of thousands of dollars into social security that I will never see. Social Security was a mistake. It just took people's money, isolated the elderly from their families (we are forced to spend money on nursing homes instead of taking care of them), unproductively removes money from the economy and is borderline theft. The only reason it exists is because old f***s are too f*****g greedy to let their kids keep their own money. Social Security can't end soon enough. |
Phoenix has become the my new favorite board troller. I am assuming you are 100% self made, no help from your parents and your parents had no help from their grandparents. I too pay thousands and thousands into social security and I can only wish that I will be in the position where I am not eligible to receive it's benefits. Phoenix you are proving that you are exactly what is wrong with the world, not just the country. You me, me, me, me first, and me next attitude shows that you are a non-christian hypocrite. I guess you also think that all charity should be banned and all poor people should be burned. |
It's not charity, d*****t. Read my post. Young people have been distance by the elderly because of social security. There was a time they relied on us. Now they rely on the government. They sit alone in nursing homes yearning for death while we work overtime to pay the bloated interest-free fees. |
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Fudge packer.
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wellspoken
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 16:53 Post subject:
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| Kbarr wrote: | | wellspoken wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: | | Starks wrote: | | Quote: | He has done nothing, just like every president before him, just like any of the democratic candidate will do. It is not a reason to vote democrat it is a reason to petition our current leaders who are just as likely to change SS than as anyone else to do so.
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Before Dubya took office the budget was BALANCED.
| Quote: | | I am so f*****g for this it's not even funny. I've paid tens of thousands of dollars into social security that I will never see. Social Security was a mistake. It just took people's money, isolated the elderly from their families (we are forced to spend money on nursing homes instead of taking care of them), unproductively removes money from the economy and is borderline theft. The only reason it exists is because old f***s are too f*****g greedy to let their kids keep their own money. Social Security can't end soon enough. |
Phoenix has become the my new favorite board troller. I am assuming you are 100% self made, no help from your parents and your parents had no help from their grandparents. I too pay thousands and thousands into social security and I can only wish that I will be in the position where I am not eligible to receive it's benefits. Phoenix you are proving that you are exactly what is wrong with the world, not just the country. You me, me, me, me first, and me next attitude shows that you are a non-christian hypocrite. I guess you also think that all charity should be banned and all poor people should be burned. |
It's not charity, d*****t. Read my post. Young people have been distance by the elderly because of social security. There was a time they relied on us. Now they rely on the government. They sit alone in nursing homes yearning for death while we work overtime to pay the bloated interest-free fees. |
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Fudge packer.
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lol.
Go away you old turd.
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 16:55 Post subject:
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Anyone who looks at SS payments as more than a few dinners out, needs financial help.
I don't even count SS payments/benefits in my retirement plans.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 16:57 Post subject:
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paying money into ss is like burning it and then taking the ashes and trying to find pieces of the roll of twenties you had at the start enough to tape together a single bill.
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 16:58 Post subject:
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| wellspoken wrote: | | Kbarr wrote: |
Fudge packer.
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lol.
Go away you old turd. |
Whats it like, going through life with that mug?
How often do you dye your hair?
You fudge packer.
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wellspoken
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 17:00 Post subject:
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Haha, you moron.
I look completely different than in that pic.
Least i have the balls to post mine unlike you.
You old f**k, eat shit and die.
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 17:02 Post subject:
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| wellspoken wrote: | Haha, you moron.
I look completely different than in that pic.
Least i have the balls to post mine unlike you.
You old f**k, eat shit and die. |
Mine was up for years, the web site died.
You on the other hand revel in your fudge packerness.
That can be the only answer being you cultivate this ....look?
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wellspoken
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 17:06 Post subject:
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| Kbarr wrote: | | wellspoken wrote: | Haha, you moron.
I look completely different than in that pic.
Least i have the balls to post mine unlike you.
You old f**k, eat shit and die. |
Mine was up for years, the web site died.
You on the other hand revel in your fudge packerness.
That can be the only answer being you cultivate this ....look? |
So why not post it again?
You are so eager to make fun of my pic, but yet you do not have a recent pic of yourself up.
Lamer.
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Paco
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 17:47 Post subject:
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| wellspoken wrote: | | Kbarr wrote: | | wellspoken wrote: | Haha, you moron.
I look completely different than in that pic.
Least i have the balls to post mine unlike you.
You old f**k, eat shit and die. |
Mine was up for years, the web site died.
You on the other hand revel in your fudge packerness.
That can be the only answer being you cultivate this ....look? |
So why not post it again?
You are so eager to make fun of my pic, but yet you do not have a recent pic of yourself up.
Lamer. |
n00b
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 17:49 Post subject:
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| wellspoken wrote: | | Kbarr wrote: | | wellspoken wrote: | Haha, you moron.
I look completely different than in that pic.
Least i have the balls to post mine unlike you.
You old f**k, eat shit and die. |
Mine was up for years, the web site died.
You on the other hand revel in your fudge packerness.
That can be the only answer being you cultivate this ....look? |
So why not post it again?
You are so eager to make fun of my pic, but yet you do not have a recent pic of yourself up.
Lamer. |
I'm not "eager", its just so f*****g EASY to do.
I mean, shit...look at yourself.
You are the poster child for fudge packing.
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wellspoken
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 18:01 Post subject:
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Wtg ass.
Least i am not 65 yrs old with nothing better to do than sit and read a msg board all day.
Turd.
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 18:02 Post subject:
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That picture is going to give me nightmares. 
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Zapper
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 18:03 Post subject:
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What ever happened to accountability with today's leaders?
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 18:09 Post subject:
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| wellspoken wrote: | Wtg ass.
Least i am not 65 yrs old with nothing better to do than sit and read a msg board all day.
Turd. |
Weak...LAMER!
I'm 42, I'm in the top 5 percent of money earners in the US. I have more to do that I want. In 8 years or so I will be in the top 1% of money earners. All before I'm 50.
You on the other hand have nothing better to do as a TEEN, besides type here and preen the Fudge Packer look. Oh, and listen to your stupid liberal parents. They must be a bunch of winners!
Good job kid:)
Lucky to be you.
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 18:30 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | What IS Social Security?
The Social Security program was enacted in 1935 in response to the economic hardships imposed by the Great Depression. While the original program paid benefits to a limited number of retired workers, numerous expansions have made Social Security the most comprehensive public program in the United States. Over 90% of American workers participate in the Social Security system, contributing payroll taxes in exchange for publicly provided retirement, disability, and survivors' insurance for themselves and their families. In addition to providing near universal, as well as portable and inflation-resistant, insurance against earnings loss, the Social Security program has a redistributive function that shores up the retirement incomes of life-time low earners, a feature not available in private pension plans
Point : youre still gonna pay Social Security, might as well keep your benefits
Point: Bushs gross mismanagment is the direct reason for Greenfags reccomendation
If the Deficit wasnt so f****d, this topic wouldnt even exist.
Bush..d*****s of a new Century! |
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If social security wasnt a flawed program that paid out 20 times whats put into it by people we wouldnt have this problem, you still dont understand even basic economics or simply numbers. Greenspan never ever ever said that the problems with social security are bushs fault. He said the same shit in clintons admin but no one cared then cause we loved clinton and he was perfect!! Obviously the spirit of bush was back in 1935 and helped develope a flawed prorgam and also his spirit was in the 1950s when he caused the baby boom and thus the current SS deficits. |
Its because the country is in such debt that Greenspan is proposing this.
Why you cant grasp this simple truth is beyond me.
Anyway combine this with outsourcing peoples jobs away and flooding us with minimum wage hungry immigrants and we will have a country where only the Comfortable will be comforted.
All the rest will wind up with a standard of life that is less than it could have been.
Bush has run this country like a stumbling child king.
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 18:36 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | Its because the country is in such debt that Greenspan is proposing this.
Why you cant grasp this simple truth is beyond me.
Anyway combine this with outsourcing peoples jobs away and flooding us with minimum wage hungry immigrants and we will have a country where only the Comfortable will be comforted.
All the rest will wind up with a standard of life that is less than it could have been.
Bush has run this country like a stumbling child king. |
You acting like the national debt is a new thing...ignorant shit. Go back to Norway. We don't like your kind around here.
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 18:36 Post subject:
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| Kbarr wrote: | | wellspoken wrote: | Wtg ass.
Least i am not 65 yrs old with nothing better to do than sit and read a msg board all day.
Turd. |
Weak...LAMER!
I'm 42, I'm in the top 5 percent of money earners in the US. I have more to do that I want. In 8 years or so I will be in the top 1% of money earners. All before I'm 50.
You on the other hand have nothing better to do as a TEEN, besides type here and preen the Fudge Packer look. Oh, and listen to your stupid liberal parents. They must be a bunch of winners!
Good job kid:)
Lucky to be you.
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Actually, i was bored at work.
And secondly my parents don't tell me shit to do, because i live by myself.
Would hate to know i was that rich and couldn't find more to do than post on RP, f*****g old loser.
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 19:01 Post subject:
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Kbarr who claims to be in the top 5 percent then eventually top 1 percent of the countries earners is of course going to suck the d**k of Bush.
Bush will save his rich old ass a few bucks.
But bear in mind, even if a democrat gets elected and raises his capital gains tax a few points, hes still going to be rich , sitting on his ass and linking pictures of cigars here at RP.
He wont lose shit.
The greater good is elevating the masses to a better lifestyle, not just sucking the bone of the rich.
The right wing would have you believe that if the rich exeuctives make bank, they will trickle down the love to the rest.
In truth the rich will get richer, the poor will have to fight off immigrants and outsourcing and somethings gonna trickle down alright and it aint love.
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 19:05 Post subject:
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Ok, here's a challenge for WNWS, Compusmack, and the like: abolish SS, but provide us with a viable alternative. Tell us how we're going to support the elderly, the disabled, the widowed, etc. And remember, many of them have families that can't afford to house grandma and take care of her for 20 years.
Or, I suppose, we could just let them die? Would it be a 'tough shit and goodbye' then?
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 19:16 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | Ok, here's a challenge for WNWS, Compusmack, and the like: abolish SS, but provide us with a viable alternative. Tell us how we're going to support the elderly, the disabled, the widowed, etc. And remember, many of them have families that can't afford to house grandma and take care of her for 20 years.
Or, I suppose, we could just let them die? Would it be a 'tough shit and goodbye' then? |
How about you don't drink away your savings you f*****g lush.
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 20:00 Post subject:
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Didn't think you had alternative.
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 20:02 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | Didn't think you had alternative. |
Really? Personal responsibility isn't an alternative? If you would rather drink away your savings than feel more secure about your retirement, I suggest you join a 12-step progam.
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Akronn
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 20:06 Post subject:
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I'm not worried about myself, but alot of people don't have an option.
Now come on, give us an alternative.
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Bait Masterson
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Posted: 02/25/04 - 20:08 Post subject:
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See nwo these old people collecting SS are not leeches, they paid into this shit for thier whole lives.
A leech is better defined as any number of cuntrag kids that troll this board and went to School on my f*****g Dime.
That is a leech.
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