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Scrabler
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| Vekril wrote: | But Scrabler you missed my big boldfaced point.
You cut welfare off altogether to punish that mother who had 3 kids, to try and stop that behavior...
What about the kid who now starves to death because his mother is a worthless lazy sack of shit? The kid was just born, he didnt do anything wrong yet. Do we seize the kids and put them in orphanages? Or do you propose letting them starve?
That is the ultimate problem -- how to change behavior in the parents and not reward laziness/immorality without punishing the children. The reality is a poor, most likely poorly educated and unskilled mother who has a few mouths to feed and no father to help pay either. Once the kids are born, they have to be dealt with. |
I don't care about the kid. Maybe these leeches will wake up when they havn't eaten in a week and they are being jailed/shot when they try to rob people.
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Brash
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 21:01 Post subject:
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ya know i always hear these storys about women having more and more kids to get a bigger welffare check ......
i think this is all b******t . i bet alot of them have the first one for this reason , so they can get on all the programs but after that it is down hill real fast . for each kid they get like 20 extra in food stamps and like $75 more a month in welfare . there is no way that you can suport a kid on that much. its not some gold mine .
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 21:07 Post subject:
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| Brash wrote: | ya know i always hear these storys about women having more and more kids to get a bigger welffare check ......
i think this is all b******t . i bet alot of them have the first one for this reason , so they can get on all the programs but after that it is down hill real fast . for each kid they get like 20 extra in food stamps and like $75 more a month in welfare . there is no way that you can suport a kid on that much. its not some gold mine . |
Well, it happens. I never said they were smart. I've talked to the people that live in the projects and they will tell you it's true.
As for not being much money..they don't really pay their bills for the most part and ramen(sp) noodles are cheap as hell.  Many of the use the money for drug addictions.
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Manuva
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 22:07 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Vekril wrote: | But Scrabler you missed my big boldfaced point.
You cut welfare off altogether to punish that mother who had 3 kids, to try and stop that behavior...
What about the kid who now starves to death because his mother is a worthless lazy sack of shit? The kid was just born, he didnt do anything wrong yet. Do we seize the kids and put them in orphanages? Or do you propose letting them starve?
That is the ultimate problem -- how to change behavior in the parents and not reward laziness/immorality without punishing the children. The reality is a poor, most likely poorly educated and unskilled mother who has a few mouths to feed and no father to help pay either. Once the kids are born, they have to be dealt with. |
I don't care about the kid. Maybe these leeches will wake up when they havn't eaten in a week and they are being jailed/shot when they try to rob people. |
Jesus christ have you taken the ASVAB? Because you are looking like you're too f*****g dumb to even be in the military.
Do you even listen to 1/4th the shit you say?
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Brash
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 23:02 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Brash wrote: | ya know i always hear these storys about women having more and more kids to get a bigger welffare check ......
i think this is all b******t . i bet alot of them have the first one for this reason , so they can get on all the programs but after that it is down hill real fast . for each kid they get like 20 extra in food stamps and like $75 more a month in welfare . there is no way that you can suport a kid on that much. its not some gold mine . |
Well, it happens. I never said they were smart. I've talked to the people that live in the projects and they will tell you it's true.
As for not being much money..they don't really pay their bills for the most part and ramen(sp) noodles are cheap as hell. Many of the use the money for drug addictions. |
i would say this makes up like 1-2% of the people on welfare yet f*****g idiots like you try and make it the prime example of people who are on welfare.....
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Orbit
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 23:03 Post subject:
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He still lives with mommy and daddy.. He fucken trolling you guys.. He cant even support himself even less vote on the matters..
GO AWAY TROLL.. 
He trying to play Kbarr but he fails so bad at it..
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 23:11 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Brash wrote: | ya know i always hear these storys about women having more and more kids to get a bigger welffare check ......
i think this is all b******t . i bet alot of them have the first one for this reason , so they can get on all the programs but after that it is down hill real fast . for each kid they get like 20 extra in food stamps and like $75 more a month in welfare . there is no way that you can suport a kid on that much. its not some gold mine . |
Well, it happens. I never said they were smart. I've talked to the people that live in the projects and they will tell you it's true.
As for not being much money..they don't really pay their bills for the most part and ramen(sp) noodles are cheap as hell. Many of the use the money for drug addictions. |
Dear Scrabler -
I am truly sorry but since you aren't even 18 your opinions just don't f*****g count. We'll be seeing you in the next election in four years though.
Sincerely,
Obmar
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 23:12 Post subject:
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| Brash wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Brash wrote: | ya know i always hear these storys about women having more and more kids to get a bigger welffare check ......
i think this is all b******t . i bet alot of them have the first one for this reason , so they can get on all the programs but after that it is down hill real fast . for each kid they get like 20 extra in food stamps and like $75 more a month in welfare . there is no way that you can suport a kid on that much. its not some gold mine . |
Well, it happens. I never said they were smart. I've talked to the people that live in the projects and they will tell you it's true.
As for not being much money..they don't really pay their bills for the most part and ramen(sp) noodles are cheap as hell. Many of the use the money for drug addictions. |
i would say this makes up like 1-2% of the people on welfare yet f*****g idiots like you try and make it the prime example of people who are on welfare..... |
You live in a city with a half black population MANY of which live in low income/project areas? I judge the people on welfare by what I see.
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Orbit
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 23:23 Post subject:
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So by your term. The ppl that see your city as a city full of bums.. NUKE THEM ALL I SAY.. Let god sort it out later!
Just going by what you said! 
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 23:25 Post subject:
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| Manuva wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Vekril wrote: | But Scrabler you missed my big boldfaced point.
You cut welfare off altogether to punish that mother who had 3 kids, to try and stop that behavior...
What about the kid who now starves to death because his mother is a worthless lazy sack of shit? The kid was just born, he didnt do anything wrong yet. Do we seize the kids and put them in orphanages? Or do you propose letting them starve?
That is the ultimate problem -- how to change behavior in the parents and not reward laziness/immorality without punishing the children. The reality is a poor, most likely poorly educated and unskilled mother who has a few mouths to feed and no father to help pay either. Once the kids are born, they have to be dealt with. |
I don't care about the kid. Maybe these leeches will wake up when they havn't eaten in a week and they are being jailed/shot when they try to rob people. |
Jesus christ have you taken the ASVAB? Because you are looking like you're too f*****g dumb to even be in the military.
Do you even listen to 1/4th the shit you say? |
ASVAB was so easy =/
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 23:27 Post subject:
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| Orbit wrote: | So by your term. The ppl that see your city as a city full of bums.. NUKE THEM ALL I SAY.. Let god sort it out later!
Just going by what you said! |
I'll gladly go "hunting".
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 23:31 Post subject:
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The sad thing is that, to read this thread, you would think it was some kind of crime to be poor and need some help.
You would think welfare never helped anyone to rise up above their current social standing.
You would think that EVERY welfare recipient was some crack-crazed, baby-producing zombie whos only contact with the productive world was picking up their welfare check once a month.
However, for every person that abuses welfare, there are more people that use it for what it is intended to be: a bridge for those in troubled times to get to a self-sustaining state.
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 23:43 Post subject: Re: Government spending..
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| Scrabler wrote: | | please educate me |
research 'corporate welfare' and 'municipal military welfare*'
thnx
*the art of leaving obsolete and redundant military bases open and funded purely to avoid bankrupting an entire nearby municipality that arouse as a result of the bases original useful years.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 23:43 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | The sad thing is that, to read this thread, you would think it was some kind of crime to be poor and need some help.
You would think welfare never helped anyone to rise up above their current social standing.
You would think that EVERY welfare recipient was some crack-crazed, baby-producing zombie whos only contact with the productive world was picking up their welfare check once a month.
However, for every person that abuses welfare, there are more people that use it for what it is intended to be: a bridge for those in troubled times to get to a self-sustaining state. |
It's your responsibility to make a living and support yourself; if you need welfare it's your fault(unless you're disabled). Why should we waste more money on these people then we spend on defending the entire country? Why should we be burdened by your lazy ass.
I agree we should help disabled people who can't work, but if you can then you can support yourself.
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 23:52 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | The sad thing is that, to read this thread, you would think it was some kind of crime to be poor and need some help.
You would think welfare never helped anyone to rise up above their current social standing.
You would think that EVERY welfare recipient was some crack-crazed, baby-producing zombie whos only contact with the productive world was picking up their welfare check once a month.
However, for every person that abuses welfare, there are more people that use it for what it is intended to be: a bridge for those in troubled times to get to a self-sustaining state. |
It's your responsibility to make a living and support yourself; if you need welfare it's your fault(unless you're disabled). Why should we waste more money on these people then we spend on defending the entire country? Why should we be burdened by your lazy ass.
I agree we should help disabled people who can't work, but if you can then you can support yourself. |
You're right. What sort of business is it of the governments to try to up the standard of living for its own population. What a horrible concept.
Disability benefits are also considerably different than welfare. My uncle, who is a lawyer, and lives very comfortably, receives disability benefits due to being unable to work from two almost completely blocked carotid arteries. This is much different from welfare.
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motherface
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 23:56 Post subject:
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Scrabler, what are your thoughts on Unemployment Insurance?
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 00:03 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | The sad thing is that, to read this thread, you would think it was some kind of crime to be poor and need some help.
You would think welfare never helped anyone to rise up above their current social standing.
You would think that EVERY welfare recipient was some crack-crazed, baby-producing zombie whos only contact with the productive world was picking up their welfare check once a month.
However, for every person that abuses welfare, there are more people that use it for what it is intended to be: a bridge for those in troubled times to get to a self-sustaining state. |
It's your responsibility to make a living and support yourself; if you need welfare it's your fault(unless you're disabled). Why should we waste more money on these people then we spend on defending the entire country? Why should we be burdened by your lazy ass.
I agree we should help disabled people who can't work, but if you can then you can support yourself. |
You're right. What sort of business is it of the governments to try to up the standard of living for its own population. What a horrible concept.
Disability benefits are also considerably different than welfare. My uncle, who is a lawyer, and lives very comfortably, receives disability benefits due to being unable to work from two almost completely blocked carotid arteries. This is much different from welfare. |
I'm speaking about all welfare type programs.
AS for the standard of living..you need to be of some use to the country and support yourself to first get up to the "standard". I'm not worried about holding the poor folks hands that won't pick themselves up.
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Kurel
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Welfare and all social programs should be removed. What these programs do is what charity should do. Charities raise more money then the government does to help those who need it. I donate food and money to food kitchens everytime I have a chance.
The Government needs more money like I need AIDS. Governments are a proven entity of waste and corruption, and any sane person should realize that the Government is the last organization you want to manage your money.
Look at Social Secruity. Wouldn't you rather take that money that they basically acts like a 2nd tax, and invest it yourself with a higher return? If you're too stupid to invest in your own future and retirement, then you're too stupid to live.
Education is key also. People without jobs should hit up their local community college and retrain, it's not that exspensive and there is plenty of financial aid, grants and loans out there to help pay for most if not all of it. Also, we need more financial education in public and private schools. Growing up I was lucky enough to have a mother who was a banker who taught me everything I needed to know about money, I also was lucky enough to have a few financial advisors drop by my elementry school, middle school, and high school (all public btw) from Bank of America to try to educate us on financial planning.
It's not that difficult to take a minimum wage job, save up some money and become a millionair by the time you're in your late 50's through IRA's, CD laddering, and other forms of investments. Not a lot of people know about them growing up, and just how affordable they can be.
The Government should only serve one purpose, and that is to protect us from both ourselves, and from outside enemies, nothing more, nothing less.
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Brael
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Private HS I went to, we had a finance class that I took, all they taught us was how to write checks... I would have to agree with you when it comes to educating about that, I never really learned anything in school about finances. The extent of what I was taught in school as far as it was concerned was "Credit Cards are the evil devil and using them is a sin" (did I mention I went to a catholic HS?), "Place all your money into a checking acct", and "Use checks for everything, never use anything else".
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 00:29 Post subject:
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| Kurel wrote: | | Welfare and all social programs should be removed. What these programs do is what charity should do. Charities raise more money then the government does to help those who need it. I donate food and money to food kitchens everytime I have a chance. |
Donating is very nice of you. Unfortunately, charities do not reach as many people as the government does.
| Quote: | | The Government needs more money like I need AIDS. Governments are a proven entity of waste and corruption, and any sane person should realize that the Government is the last organization you want to manage your money. |
Private corporations are proven entities of waste and corruption, with one key factor removed: Accountability.
| Quote: | | Look at Social Secruity. Wouldn't you rather take that money that they basically acts like a 2nd tax, and invest it yourself with a higher return? If you're too stupid to invest in your own future and retirement, then you're too stupid to live. |
By investing that money for a higher return you increase your risk. A higher return is not guaranteed. Social Security is just that, Social Security. I can just imagine the brick the elderly would have s*****d if a large amount of Social Security funds had been invested in the technology sector in, oh, 1999.
| Quote: | | Education is key also. People without jobs should hit up their local community college and retrain, it's not that exspensive and there is plenty of financial aid, grants and loans out there to help pay for most if not all of it. Also, we need more financial education in public and private schools. Growing up I was lucky enough to have a mother who was a banker who taught me everything I needed to know about money, I also was lucky enough to have a few financial advisors drop by my elementry school, middle school, and high school (all public btw) from Bank of America to try to educate us on financial planning. |
Very true. Working at a bank for a period of time is a very good way to become smart with money.
| Quote: | | It's not that difficult to take a minimum wage job, save up some money and become a millionair by the time you're in your late 50's through IRA's, CD laddering, and other forms of investments. Not a lot of people know about them growing up, and just how affordable they can be. |
I had to laugh at this one. Minimum wage is, what, $5.15? Let's say you get a real meal-ticket job, paying $8.50 an hour. Let's furthermore say you are supporting yourself only. Now, companies these days don't want to hire full-time workers (omg benefits 2 expensive!), so let's say you work 3 part-time jobs for 60 hours a week. That works out to $510 a week gross, a little over $26,000 a year, again gross. Thanks to the EITC you could probably actually make a little more than that. Now, how do you propose getting to be a millionaire with this configuration? Realize that other people actually have to pay for their own rent, utilities, food, etc. Even a modest $500/month rent payment is $6000/year. And don't get sick! With part-time jobs and low income, getting approved for a mortgage would be difficult, at best. Could it be done? I'm sure it could, and I'm sure people have. But it's not the cake-walk you are making it out to be.
Now, I have to agree with you on the investment side. Being a 19 year old who saved up the maximum IRA contribution every year on his own through age 21 working jobs paying no more than $10.50 an hour taught me a thing or two about saving money. And a lot of people just waste their money. Bling bling, you know.
| Quote: | | The Government should only serve one purpose, and that is to protect us from both ourselves, and from outside enemies, nothing more, nothing less. |
So the government has no place outside of law enforcement and defense? I see. Education, Commerce, making money (like bills and coins), Infrastructure, these things have no place in government? Perhaps with this sort of governmental view we would still be using donkey carts on dirt roads, and canals would be the main method of transporting large amounts of goods over a long distance.
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Kurel
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Let me rephrase, the Federal government should have no place other then to protect us. Coining money I'd expect them to do.
$3k a year invested in an IRA from the age of 18, every year will most definatly make you a millionair when you goto retire.
The Federal government has already proven they can't handle schools. Public schools should be controlled at the State level, or more ideally, local level with more parents involved.
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 15:04 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Brash wrote: | ya know i always hear these storys about women having more and more kids to get a bigger welffare check ......
i think this is all b******t . i bet alot of them have the first one for this reason , so they can get on all the programs but after that it is down hill real fast . for each kid they get like 20 extra in food stamps and like $75 more a month in welfare . there is no way that you can suport a kid on that much. its not some gold mine . |
Well, it happens. I never said they were smart. I've talked to the people that live in the projects and they will tell you it's true.
As for not being much money..they don't really pay their bills for the most part and ramen(sp) noodles are cheap as hell. Many of the use the money for drug addictions. |
i would say this makes up like 1-2% of the people on welfare yet f*****g idiots like you try and make it the prime example of people who are on welfare..... |
You live in a city with a half black population MANY of which live in low income/project areas? I judge the people on welfare by what I see. |
There are a few white people on welfare in this country, too. What is your opinion of them?
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 15:10 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Brash wrote: | ya know i always hear these storys about women having more and more kids to get a bigger welffare check ......
i think this is all b******t . i bet alot of them have the first one for this reason , so they can get on all the programs but after that it is down hill real fast . for each kid they get like 20 extra in food stamps and like $75 more a month in welfare . there is no way that you can suport a kid on that much. its not some gold mine . |
Well, it happens. I never said they were smart. I've talked to the people that live in the projects and they will tell you it's true.
As for not being much money..they don't really pay their bills for the most part and ramen(sp) noodles are cheap as hell. Many of the use the money for drug addictions. |
i would say this makes up like 1-2% of the people on welfare yet f*****g idiots like you try and make it the prime example of people who are on welfare..... |
You live in a city with a half black population MANY of which live in low income/project areas? I judge the people on welfare by what I see. |
There are a few white people on welfare in this country, too. What is your opinion of them? |
White trash usually..lots of them are addicts too. Blacks just make up the majority of welfare recipientsh here.
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 15:37 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | White trash usually..lots of them are addicts too. Blacks just make up the majority of welfare recipientsh here. |
God, I cant believe this crap. Do you really think this Scrab or is it "tongue in cheek"? Get out and volunteer at a local soup kitchen or food pantry. It will put a face on poor people. I have seen just about every race and age in the kitchens. I have seen young married couples, people that are mentally ill, and even the elderly not being able to make ends meet. Being poor does not discriminate.
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 15:59 Post subject:
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Strange, Guam is the only "state/territory" that had a positive increase in welfare recipients from 93 to 00 and it was huge. It had started off with a 1000 also. All the others dropped producing a net negative effect.
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Qaldyin
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Scrab, I really hope your comments are just because you are 16 and still immature. If not, then you are a racist piece of shit.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 17:29 Post subject:
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| Qaldyin wrote: | | Scrab, I really hope your comments are just because you are 16 and still immature. If not, then you are a racist piece of shit. |
It's not that I hate other people..I just like my people.
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