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Scrabler
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| Soriak wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Soriak wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | You will see things my way eventually. This time you're gonna need my help to save you from the muslims not the nazis. |
We don't need saving from a religious group. We need saving from people with a mindset like yours.
Think for a second what connects yourself to terrorists and nazis and you might just realize what the problem really is. It has absolutly nothing to do with religion. |
The only thing that connects me is that people like me fight/fought muslims and nazis. |
You're advocating exactly what the Nazis did: Eradicating an entire religious group on grounds that they somehow are a threat to you.
Yet you somehow feel proud that "you" (rather your ancestors) defeated the Nazis and their evil ideology? |
I didn't say we need to kill every one of them just all the ones who want to fight. Like with the Nazis, not all Germans would/wanted to fight the Allies.
I do believe we will need to fight most muslims eventually though. Someone will be able to pull off being the Mahdi some day.
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Occulis
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You're advocating exactly what the Nazis did: Eradicating an entire religious group on grounds that they somehow are a threat to you.
Yet you somehow feel proud that "you" (rather your ancestors) defeated the Nazis and their evil ideology? |
Exactly! Very well put.
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kbarr
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Posted: 06/28/05 - 14:08 Post subject:
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| Celestra wrote: |
Coming from you, topcop, I consider it a compliment  |
Thats only because you were raised and schooled in a socialist country.
You are an excellent example of the useless, effeminate nothingness that europe has become.
Anyone who sides with the bad guys are bad guys themselves. We know you socialist losers don't have enough balls to call a spade a spade. Thats why you get no respect from the top dog.
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kbarr
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Posted: 06/28/05 - 14:10 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | For a more realistic appraisal, current and signed by a real person, try http://www.back-to-iraq.com/archives/000879.php.
| Quote: | June 28, 2005
Bumps in the Road
BAGHDAD—The Americans have killed two Iraqi journalists inside of a week. One was killed Friday and I just heard news of the other. I know a lot about the first death, but at the request of his family, I can't publish much because his widow fears retribution for her husband having worked for a Western news organization. But he was killed with a single shot to the head by Americans in a passing convoy.
The second I don't know much about, as I just heard about it. Details haven't started coming in yet.
I think the Americans have gotten a lot more trigger-happy and twitchy after the campaign of car bombs and other violence that has gripped Iraq for the last, what? Five weeks? Six? I've lost track. I can't tell anymore what headlines from the Associated Press listing the number of dead are new bombings or just updated casualty figures from earlier in the day.
“We have a choice now,” said A., my gruff, scotch-drinking office manager, confidant and mentor in all things Iraqi. “We can be killed by Zarqawi or the Americans.”
Since returning, it feels like I'm listening to the same record I've been listening to for a year, only with the volume turned up. Donald Rumsfeld, the American Secretary of Defense, says U.S. is winning the war and that the media are focusing too much on bad news. I know this because the press releases from the American Forces Information Network tell me so:
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“Bumps in the road”? Just earlier today, presumably before the Iraqi journalist was killed, an Iraqi member of parliament was killed in a car bomb attack. I can't even begin to tell you how many Iraqis have been killed in the weeks I was away. And how many more Iraqis, journalists or otherwise, will die because the Americans can't tell who's friend or foe? Those aren't “bumps in the road.” Those are signs that you went off the road without a map a long time ago.
Where do you even begin combatting the head-in-the-sandism, brazen propaganda and revisionism of the above release. (By the way, it's about the fourth or fifth one I've received in the last few days touting the same theme, apparently in concert with President Bush's push to let Americans know that everything is going hunky-dory.)
News flash: Iraq is a disaster. I've been back one day, and the airport road was the worst I've ever seen it. We had to go around a fire-fight between mujahideen and Americans while Iraqi forces sat in the shade of date palms on the side of the road, their rifles resting across their laps. My driver pointed to a group of men in a white pickup next to me. “They are mujahideen,” he said. “They are watching the Americans.” Indeed, they were, and so intently that they paid no attention to me in the car next to them. We detoured around two possible car bombs that had been cordoned off while Iraqis cautiously approached.
Rumsfeld's assessment of “good progress” on the constitution is not accurate, as the committee to draw it up still hasn't completely agreed on how the Sunnis will take part.
When I was in Ramadi, I found the morale to be lower than expected. It wasn't rock-bottom among the Marines of the 1st Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment, but it wasn't great. Most of the ones I talked to weren't confident they were doing anything worthwhile, and were instead focused on getting home alive. If a few Iraqis had to die to make that happen, well, war is hell.
I'm not sure who's winning this war, the Americans or the insurgents. But I know who is losing it: the Iraqi people. Those bumps in the road are their graves.
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Qaldyin
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Posted: 06/28/05 - 14:38 Post subject:
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Yea, Celestra, you really made yourself look like an idiot arguing over semantics there.
"Bad guys" was just the term of choice, it doesn't matter what you choose. Besides, you won't see many articles or tv programs saying bad guys anyway.
Paco is also right with his classification of the opposition.
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Celestra
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Posted: 06/28/05 - 16:24 Post subject:
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Top Cop!
Everytime I see that movie I think of you heh
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Celestra
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Posted: 06/28/05 - 16:26 Post subject:
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| Qaldyin wrote: | Yea, Celestra, you really made yourself look like an idiot arguing over semantics there.
"Bad guys" was just the term of choice, it doesn't matter what you choose. Besides, you won't see many articles or tv programs saying bad guys anyway.
Paco is also right with his classification of the opposition. |
Wait... do I hear a llama s******g again?
Why yes, I think I do.
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Paco
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Posted: 06/28/05 - 16:31 Post subject:
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Hey Cel, I didn't know you got a job with CNN! 
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Celestra
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Posted: 06/28/05 - 16:48 Post subject:
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| Paco wrote: | | Hey Cel, I didn't know you got a job with CNN! |
Haha. You get me one and I'll print anything you like!
Socialists need jobs too
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Spitulski
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Scrabler, seriously. If you have the slightest shred of intelligence and self-dignity left in you, stop posting this rediculous shit now.
You are starting to sound exactly like the millions of drooling idiots that inhabit the remote parts of the South. You're setting yourself up for a life without a future; a life where a double-wide doesn't sound so bad after a while, and your sister starts to look really good in those overalls. You're really only f*****g yourself here, and you're not even doing a half-decent job of that.
Let me know if smaller words might make this a little more readable for you. I will gladly step down and give you a hand, since you so obviously need it.
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Posted: 06/28/05 - 18:22 Post subject:
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| Spitulski wrote: | Scrabler, seriously. If you have the slightest shred of intelligence and self-dignity left in you, stop posting this rediculous shit now.
You are starting to sound exactly like the millions of drooling idiots that inhabit the remote parts of the South. You're setting yourself up for a life without a future; a life where a double-wide doesn't sound so bad after a while, and your sister starts to look really good in those overalls. You're really only f*****g yourself here, and you're not even doing a half-decent job of that.
Let me know if smaller words might make this a little more readable for you. I will gladly step down and give you a hand, since you so obviously need it. |
lol spit
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Rycrias
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Did I read this thread correctly? Is someone actually offended that people who strap bombs to themselves (and others) and blow up innocent civilians are reffered to as "bad guys"?
The world is indeed going to hell in a handbasket.
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Posted: 06/28/05 - 19:01 Post subject:
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| Rycrias wrote: | Did I read this thread correctly? Is someone actually offended that people who strap bombs to themselves (and others) and blow up innocent civilians are reffered to as "bad guys"?
The world is indeed going to hell in a handbasket. |
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Orbit
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Posted: 06/28/05 - 19:09 Post subject:
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| Rycrias wrote: | Did I read this thread correctly? Is someone actually offended that people who strap bombs to themselves (and others) and blow up innocent civilians are reffered to as "bad guys"?
The world is indeed going to hell in a handbasket. |
How many did we hit when we went to war? Oh that right cant help civilian casualties. Funny when they do it they are innocent when we do it its part of the war effort.. And yes don't let them fool ya there still a war going on. 
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sinrakin
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Posted: 06/28/05 - 19:17 Post subject:
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| Rycrias wrote: | Did I read this thread correctly? Is someone actually offended that people who strap bombs to themselves (and others) and blow up innocent civilians are reffered to as "bad guys"?
The world is indeed going to hell in a handbasket. |
I think the point is that it's deliberately simplistic, to minimize any chance that the reader might think about what their motives might be, since "bad guys" have no motives except being "bad".
It's not so much being offended as seeing it as a sign that this is propaganda, not reporting, hence not worth considering.
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Scrabler
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| Orbit wrote: | | Rycrias wrote: | Did I read this thread correctly? Is someone actually offended that people who strap bombs to themselves (and others) and blow up innocent civilians are reffered to as "bad guys"?
The world is indeed going to hell in a handbasket. |
How many did we hit when we went to war? Oh that right cant help civilian casualties. Funny when they do it they are innocent when we do it its part of the war effort.. And yes don't let them fool ya there still a war going on. |
They run into a crowd of women and children and blow themselves up.
We bomb a radar site they built beside a school or fight back against guys hiding inside a mosque and accidently kill a civilian.
The intent is what matters. They are trying to kill innocents to scare them against us; we just want to kill the terrorists. Civilians will always be unintended casualties in a war.
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kbarr
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Posted: 06/28/05 - 19:30 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | | Rycrias wrote: | Did I read this thread correctly? Is someone actually offended that people who strap bombs to themselves (and others) and blow up innocent civilians are reffered to as "bad guys"?
The world is indeed going to hell in a handbasket. |
I think the point is that it's deliberately simplistic, to minimize any chance that the reader might think about what their motives might be, since "bad guys" have no motives except being "bad".
It's not so much being offended as seeing it as a sign that this is propaganda, not reporting, hence not worth considering. |
So, scumbag...you think they are freedom fighters?
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sinrakin
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I think they're probably lots of things, but certainly not freedom fighters. The ones strapping bombs to themselves are probably kids like Scrabler. They don't know anything but "our side" and "their side", and they're told that their culture and way of life is under attack and they have to fight and sacrifice everything to defend it, and they're glad to do it. They don't think they're blowing up women and children; they think they're blowing up enemies and collabarators, and if some innocents do get killed, well, war is hell and why shouldn't those innocents make a sacrifice for their way of life - the guy with the bomb strapped to him sure is.
But whatever they are, they're not comic book villains rubbing their hands together and chortling and the thought of the evil they're about to do, which is what "bad guys" is meant to imply.
The leaders are probably more varied. I'd say they're opportunists, just like criminals and politicians in any country. Whatever happens, they want a say in what's going on. They want to keep stirring the mix until things fall the way they want them to. Either they'll get a political base, or a religious base, or we'll leave and they'll fight over the ruin of the country like jackals. There are probably some idealists with bigger plans than that too, Bush sized plans for world domination, or at least regional domination.
The leaders might be the comic book villains, but they're sure not the guys laying bombs and taking potshots at our troops.
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kbarr
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Posted: 06/28/05 - 21:32 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | I think they're probably lots of things, but certainly not freedom fighters. The ones strapping bombs to themselves are probably kids like Scrabler. They don't know anything but "our side" and "their side", and they're told that their culture and way of life is under attack and they have to fight and sacrifice everything to defend it, and they're glad to do it. They don't think they're blowing up women and children; they think they're blowing up enemies and collabarators, and if some innocents do get killed, well, war is hell and why shouldn't those innocents make a sacrifice for their way of life - the guy with the bomb strapped to him sure is.
But whatever they are, they're not comic book villains rubbing their hands together and chortling and the thought of the evil they're about to do, which is what "bad guys" is meant to imply.
The leaders are probably more varied. I'd say they're opportunists, just like criminals and politicians in any country. Whatever happens, they want a say in what's going on. They want to keep stirring the mix until things fall the way they want them to. Either they'll get a political base, or a religious base, or we'll leave and they'll fight over the ruin of the country like jackals. There are probably some idealists with bigger plans than that too, Bush sized plans for world domination, or at least regional domination.
The leaders might be the comic book villains, but they're sure not the guys laying bombs and taking potshots at our troops. |
This is nothing more than a criminal enterprise that was stepped on by GW and the might of the US military. The leaders want to take back the power that was lost when saddam was removed. They use the underlings, the religious idiots, the people one step out of a mud hut as cannon fodder. If you think the generals, lieutenants and sergeants are strapping on bombs, you are wrong. Its the dumb ones, the idiots, the losers who are selected used as self guided bombs. Used by the criminals who want to take power back. What they have in common is the fact that they are all scum, all "bad guys".
The fix is pretty simple.
Kill them.
Don't stop killing them.
Did I mention GW Bush is the Boss of you?
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Manuva
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Posted: 06/28/05 - 22:18 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Orbit wrote: | | Rycrias wrote: | Did I read this thread correctly? Is someone actually offended that people who strap bombs to themselves (and others) and blow up innocent civilians are reffered to as "bad guys"?
The world is indeed going to hell in a handbasket. |
How many did we hit when we went to war? Oh that right cant help civilian casualties. Funny when they do it they are innocent when we do it its part of the war effort.. And yes don't let them fool ya there still a war going on. |
They run into a crowd of women and children and blow themselves up.
We bomb a radar site they built beside a school or fight back against guys hiding inside a mosque and accidently kill a civilian.
The intent is what matters. They are trying to kill innocents to scare them against us; we just want to kill the terrorists. Civilians will always be unintended casualties in a war. |
Shit, we just want to kill terrorists?
f**k when are we gonna start taking out terrorists in Ireland?
Declan Mulqueen is still on the loose, I don't think our government is worried about catching him!
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Scrabler
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Posted: 06/28/05 - 22:29 Post subject:
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| Manuva wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Orbit wrote: | | Rycrias wrote: | Did I read this thread correctly? Is someone actually offended that people who strap bombs to themselves (and others) and blow up innocent civilians are reffered to as "bad guys"?
The world is indeed going to hell in a handbasket. |
How many did we hit when we went to war? Oh that right cant help civilian casualties. Funny when they do it they are innocent when we do it its part of the war effort.. And yes don't let them fool ya there still a war going on. |
They run into a crowd of women and children and blow themselves up.
We bomb a radar site they built beside a school or fight back against guys hiding inside a mosque and accidently kill a civilian.
The intent is what matters. They are trying to kill innocents to scare them against us; we just want to kill the terrorists. Civilians will always be unintended casualties in a war. |
Shit, we just want to kill terrorists?
f**k when are we gonna start taking out terrorists in Ireland?
Declan Mulqueen is still on the loose, I don't think our government is worried about catching him! |
What the f**k?
Why would you even bring this up? We need to kill the terrorists that hate AMERICA(and Israel). They don't hate us; it's not our problem.
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Posted: 06/28/05 - 22:58 Post subject:
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| Soriak wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | You will see things my way eventually. This time you're gonna need my help to save you from the muslims not the nazis. |
We don't need saving from a religious group. We need saving from people with a mindset like yours.
Think for a second what connects yourself to terrorists and nazis and you might just realize what the problem really is. It has absolutly nothing to do with religion. |
Ironic how history tends to repeat itself.: MEMRI - Interesting site
| Quote: | The following are excerpts from a Friday sermon on Palestinian Authority TV. The preacher is Sheik Ibrahim Mudeiris. PA TV aired this sermon on May 13, 2005
Ibrahim Mudeiris: Allah has tormented us with "the people most hostile to the believers" – the Jews. "Thou shalt find that the people most hostile to the believers to be the Jews and the polytheists." Allah warned His beloved Prophet Muhammad about the Jews, who had killed their prophets, forged their Torah, and sowed corruption throughout their history.
With the establishment of the state of Israel, the entire Islamic nation was lost, because Israel is a cancer spreading through the body of the Islamic nation, and because the Jews are a virus resembling AIDS, from which the entire world suffers.
You will find that the Jews were behind all the civil strife in this world. The Jews are behind the suffering of the nations...
We have ruled the world before, and by Allah, the day will come when we will rule the entire world again. The day will come when we will rule America. The day will come when we will rule Britain and the entire world – except for the Jews. The Jews will not enjoy a life of tranquility under our rule, because they are treacherous by nature, as they have been throughout history. The day will come when everything will be relieved of the Jews - even the stones and trees which were harmed by them. Listen to the Prophet Muhammad, who tells you about the evil end that awaits Jews. The stones and trees will want the Muslims to finish off every Jew. |
Flashback - Yea fanatical muslim... oops fascists.. are just victims right?
| Quote: | ...Most of the recent American visitors in Germany seem to be of the type of jews whose hatred towards Hitlerite Germany is a fanatical one. They of course are not in a position to give a true picture to their countrymen of what they have seen or heard...
When I am arguing for Hitler and in favour of presentday Germany it is not only because of the many great deeds of Hitler (uniting the German people, crushing Communism, successfully fighting unemployment) but also because I positively know that the only way to serve the purpose of German American friendship is to bring about mutual respect between the people of the two countries. |
And the true problem is... Politics of American Wars
| Quote: | As September 11 faded in our collective memory, Muslim extremists were insidiously but systematically reinvented in our elite presentations as near underprivileged victims, and themselves often adept critics of purported rapacious Western consumerism, oil profiteering, heavy-handed militarism, and spiritual desolation.
Extremists that otherwise would be properly seen in the fascistic mold were instead given a weird pass for their quite public and abhorrent hatred of non-believers and homosexuals, and Neanderthal views of women. Beheadings, murder of Christians, suicide bombing of children, systematic torture — all this and more paled in comparison to hot and cold temperatures in American jails on Cuba. Suddenly despite our enemies’ long record of murdering and carnage, we were in a war not with fascism of the old stamp, but with those who were historical victims of the United States. Thus problems arose of marshalling American public opinion against the supposedly weaker that posited legitimate grievances against Western hegemons. It was no surprise that Sen. Durbin’s infantile rantings would be showcased on al-Jazeera. |
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Posted: 06/29/05 - 00:05 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Manuva wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Orbit wrote: | | Rycrias wrote: | Did I read this thread correctly? Is someone actually offended that people who strap bombs to themselves (and others) and blow up innocent civilians are reffered to as "bad guys"?
The world is indeed going to hell in a handbasket. |
How many did we hit when we went to war? Oh that right cant help civilian casualties. Funny when they do it they are innocent when we do it its part of the war effort.. And yes don't let them fool ya there still a war going on. |
They run into a crowd of women and children and blow themselves up.
We bomb a radar site they built beside a school or fight back against guys hiding inside a mosque and accidently kill a civilian.
The intent is what matters. They are trying to kill innocents to scare them against us; we just want to kill the terrorists. Civilians will always be unintended casualties in a war. |
Shit, we just want to kill terrorists?
f**k when are we gonna start taking out terrorists in Ireland?
Declan Mulqueen is still on the loose, I don't think our government is worried about catching him! |
What the f**k?
Why would you even bring this up? We need to kill the terrorists that hate AMERICA(and Israel). They don't hate us; it's not our problem. |
Silly me. I thought we were fighting the Global War on Terror (TM)
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Posted: 06/29/05 - 00:08 Post subject:
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| Manuva wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Manuva wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Orbit wrote: | | Rycrias wrote: | Did I read this thread correctly? Is someone actually offended that people who strap bombs to themselves (and others) and blow up innocent civilians are reffered to as "bad guys"?
The world is indeed going to hell in a handbasket. |
How many did we hit when we went to war? Oh that right cant help civilian casualties. Funny when they do it they are innocent when we do it its part of the war effort.. And yes don't let them fool ya there still a war going on. |
They run into a crowd of women and children and blow themselves up.
We bomb a radar site they built beside a school or fight back against guys hiding inside a mosque and accidently kill a civilian.
The intent is what matters. They are trying to kill innocents to scare them against us; we just want to kill the terrorists. Civilians will always be unintended casualties in a war. |
Shit, we just want to kill terrorists?
f**k when are we gonna start taking out terrorists in Ireland?
Declan Mulqueen is still on the loose, I don't think our government is worried about catching him! |
What the f**k?
Why would you even bring this up? We need to kill the terrorists that hate AMERICA(and Israel). They don't hate us; it's not our problem. |
Silly me. I thought we were fighting the Global War on Terror (TM) |
Tard.
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Scrabler
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We are fighting OUR War on Terror. The guys in Ireland aren't bothering us and they never will.
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Manuva
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Joined: 12 Oct 2002
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Posted: 06/29/05 - 00:21 Post subject:
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But at one point in time (no matter how many years ago) the terrorists in Ireland bombed a parade of old aged pensioners, killing and wounding many innocent people!
Sure they're no threat to us, but I mean common they're bad people, they need to be dealt with! WE NEED TO FLATTEN IRELAND!
This message is brought to you by the Federal Committee for an Astronomical f*****g Deficit.
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motherface
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Joined: 12 Mar 2003
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Posted: 06/29/05 - 00:28 Post subject:
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Spitulski
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Joined: 23 Nov 2002
Posts: 4344
Location: Washington
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Posted: 06/29/05 - 00:30 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | We are fighting OUR War on Terror. The guys in Ireland aren't bothering us and they never will. |
Double-wide.
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