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Zab
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PostPosted: 08/23/04 - 23:15    Post subject: Good read Reply with quote

This is an article by Michael Niewodowski, a chef
at the Windows on the World restaurant, who was supposed
to report to work there at the top of the World Trade Center
at 9:00 a.m. The first plane hit at 8:46.

He's not a professional writer.

.RedMichael on Michael

Sarasota Herald-Tribune
Michael Niewodowski

From Here to Eternity.
Tora, Tora, Tora.
In Harm's Way

These are three films made about Pearl Harbor. There
have been more than 20 films made about Pearl Harbor,
and over 200 films made about World War II. These films
inspire patriotism, courage, and nationalism. They tell us
about the honor and bravery of the soldiers and the nation
that supported them.

Two and a half years after the attack on Pearl Harbor,
the world watched American forces fight on D-Day.
Two and a half years after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks,
the world is watching Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11."


Moore's film is the first major motion picture about
Sept. 11, 2001. This bears repeating. When future
generations look back on the Sept. 11 massacre, their
first impression, through the medium of film, will be a
work in which the president and the government are
blamed for the attacks, and the soldiers who are protecting
this country are defamed. Instead of a film version of Lisa
Beamer's book, "Let's Roll," or Richard Picciotto's "Last
Man Down," we are presented with this fallacy.

How could this happen?

It would be a colossal insult to insinuate that Franklin
D. Roosevelt or the U.S. government were in any way
responsible for the attacks on Pearl Harbor.

Can you imagine the indignation of the men and women
who lived during that period?

"Fahrenheit 9/11" is indicative of a nation that has
become too apathetic, ignorant or deceived to face
the enemy at the gate.

America ... where is your fury?

On Sept. 11, 2001, I stood across the Hudson River,
watching the Twin Towers burn, knowing that if
the plane had struck at 9:46 a.m. instead of 8:46
a.m., I would be dead. As a survivor and witness
to the attack on the World Trade Center, I am
more than insulted by this film.



I am outraged!


This film is based on conjecture, hearsay and propaganda.
At a time when this country desperately needs to rally in
support of our brave soldiers and our strong leaders,
Moore is content to spread discord and divisiveness.
The base of his argument is that the Bush administration
had strong ties with the bin Laden family. However, sound
facts are conspicuously absent from this "documentary."

The 9/11 commission did not indict President Bush.
According to the report, the president's actions before,
during and after the attacks are fully justified, including
the military action in Iraq. The commission did not find a
direct link between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and the Sept.
11 terrorist attacks. A similar commission in the 1940s
would not have found a direct link between Hitler's
Germany and the attack on Pearl Harbor. In both
instances, the threat was imminent; the president
and the military acted decisively.

Could we have been more prepared for a terrorist
attack on Sept. 10, 2001?
Certainly.

Could we have been more prepared
for an attack on Dec. 6, 1941?
Most definitely.

In the weeks and months following Pearl
Harbor, there were reports and criticisms
that the government and military should have
been more prepared. The difference is that the
people of the nation did not waste a lot of time
pointing fingers at each other. Rather, they
unified and engaged the enemy head-on. I
guess that is why we call them
"The Greatest Generation."

How will future generations refer to us?

So, how do we explain Moore's film to future generations?
I wonder.

More than that, I wonder how I would explain
this film to Nancy D., Jerome N. or Heather H.
I am sure you don't know their names, but their
faces haunt me day and night. How would I explain
to them that a film was made accusing the president
and vilifying the soldiers ... the same president and
soldiers who are attempting to avenge their murders
and protect other citizens.

Moore has not only insulted the nation,
he has insulted the victims of the terrorist attacks.

During his acceptance speech at the Oscars, Moore said,




"Shame on you, Mr. Bush."

Well, I say,
"Shame on you, Michael Moore."

Shame on everyone who supports this travesty of a film.
Shame on a society that allows this sham of a film.
You have weakened the nation.
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PostPosted: 08/23/04 - 23:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

All democrats are scum and need to die in a fire.

Things would be so much better.
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Fabulez
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PostPosted: 08/24/04 - 15:26    Post subject: Re: Good read Reply with quote

Zab wrote:

In the weeks and months following Pearl
Harbor, there were reports and criticisms
that the government and military should have
been more prepared. The difference is that the
people of the nation did not waste a lot of time
pointing fingers at each other. Rather, they
unified and engaged the enemy head-on. I
guess that is why we call them
"The Greatest Generation."


Not all of them. For instance, the grandfather of the guy publishing the anti-Kerry book _Unfit for Command_.

"Promoting white nationalism is nothing new for Regnery — or his family. His grandfather, William I, signed incorporation papers for the America First Committee, an organization that opposed fighting Nazi Germany in World War II. His father, Henry, created Regnery Publishing which, besides the anti-Kerry book, publishes right-wing screeds by Anne Coulter and G. Gordon Liddy."
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PostPosted: 08/24/04 - 15:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get cancer and die, Mr. Moore.
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Occulis
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PostPosted: 08/24/04 - 16:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about the people who oppose him make an equally powerful movie showing the opposite side? I don't agree with him - but if he is the only person willing to write a story then he is the only person who will be heard.
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PostPosted: 08/24/04 - 16:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

Occulis wrote:
How about the people who oppose him make an equally powerful movie showing the opposite side? I don't agree with him - but if he is the only person willing to write a story then he is the only person who will be heard.


Several films in the works currently...think one is about to be released. Smile
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PostPosted: 08/24/04 - 16:36    Post subject: Re: Good read Reply with quote

Fabulez wrote:
Not all of them. For instance, the grandfather of the guy publishing the anti-Kerry book _Unfit for Command_.

"Promoting white nationalism is nothing new for Regnery — or his family. His grandfather, William I, signed incorporation papers for the America First Committee, an organization that opposed fighting Nazi Germany in World War II. His father, Henry, created Regnery Publishing which, besides the anti-Kerry book, publishes right-wing screeds by Anne Coulter and G. Gordon Liddy."


For instance...Al Gore has ties to the Arm & Hammer corporation, the same corporation that was funneling money to the Nazi's in WWII. The same Arm & Hammer family that gladly paid money for the destruction of the Jews in Europe. Al Arm & Hammer Gore is really his complete name, but you will never find this info, as it's buried deep in someone's back yard.

Yeah, both sides have their conspiracies.../yawn
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Fabulez
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PostPosted: 08/24/04 - 17:10    Post subject: Re: Good read Reply with quote

Docter wrote:
Fabulez wrote:
Not all of them. For instance, the grandfather of the guy publishing the anti-Kerry book _Unfit for Command_.

"Promoting white nationalism is nothing new for Regnery — or his family. His grandfather, William I, signed incorporation papers for the America First Committee, an organization that opposed fighting Nazi Germany in World War II. His father, Henry, created Regnery Publishing which, besides the anti-Kerry book, publishes right-wing screeds by Anne Coulter and G. Gordon Liddy."


For instance...Al Gore has ties to the Arm & Hammer corporation, the same corporation that was funneling money to the Nazi's in WWII. The same Arm & Hammer family that gladly paid money for the destruction of the Jews in Europe. Al Arm & Hammer Gore is really his complete name, but you will never find this info, as it's buried deep in someone's back yard.

Yeah, both sides have their conspiracies.../yawn


I think you mean Armand Hammer, chairman of Occidental Petroleum, who funneled money to Communist spies in the US (not to the Nazis).

Your point is well made that there are two sides to every issue, and both sides are often tarred with the same brush. This is a point that is lost on the writer of the above (eloquent) article, who sees history (and the present) with a black and white clarity that does not map to the real world.
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