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Jakanden
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 Posted: 02/22/05 - 16:34 Post subject: Good article about M-Rated games being sold to minors
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This is one of the sites I read frequently as his articles are always good but somehow I missed this one heh.
http://money.cnn.com/2005/02/08/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/index.htm
| Quote: | Barely legal
Should mature-rated video game sales to minors be criminalized?
February 8, 2005: 3:32 PM EST
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) – Since Janet Jackson's 2004 Super Bowl half-time peep show, anything on TV and radio that approached, much less pushed, the edge of the envelope has been condemned and ostracized.
Before long, Howard Stern was headed to satellite radio and Dennis Franz was no longer dropping trou on "NYPD Blue."
Having tamed the broadcast media, politicians have turned their attention to the interactive media -- video games, to be precise. Four states (Texas, Georgia, Maryland and North Carolina) and the District of Columbia are currently considering bills that would make it a crime to sell or rent certain video games to children. Michigan, meanwhile, is expected to introduce a bill of its own in the coming weeks. And the governor of Illinois asked legislators earlier this month to pass a similar bill.
The bills vary in their wording, but basically all say the same thing: It should be a criminal offense to sell games featuring nudity or graphic violence to minors. Suggested penalties range upward to a $1,000 fine or six months in jail.
It's an argument that's not without merit. Mature video games receive the "M" rating for a reason – and clearly state on the box that they are not suitable for players under 17.
Then again, so do R-rated movies. But there are no laws that punish theater owners for not enforcing those ratings.
It's not like politicians haven't turned their attention on the video game world before. Washington state, St. Louis County (Missouri) and Indianapolis have each passed ordinances regulating the sale and rental of violent video games. But the courts have stayed or struck down each of those ordinances fairly quickly. So why the rush of legislation now?
Jackson's flash of flesh sparked a cultural uprising that seems to have become a crutch for lazy parenting. Granted, the Super Bowl was a grossly inappropriate venue for such a stunt and there was no way for parents to prevent their children from being exposed (pardon the pun) to it.
But Howard Stern? Racy television shows? Violent or **** video games? Folks, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize what you're getting with these. If your 12-year-old comes home with a game entitled "Grand Theft Auto" or "Playboy: The Mansion," it's a safe bet you're not going to see a lot of cartoon animals onscreen.
It's the parent's job to decide what's appropriate for their children – not the government's. If your kid buys and plays something that seems inappropriate, pop the eject button on the console, put it back in the box, and march your son or daughter back to the store and demand a refund. Should the store absolutely refuse, destroy the game and teach your child an expensive lesson: You don't buy games of this nature without my approval.
Sure, this will result in all sorts of shouting and pouting, but it's not like kids won't act much the same way about many other decisions they feel are unfair.
There's no arguing that any of these bills has its heart in the right place. Young players should not play certain video games. But the ultimate responsibility for ensuring kids aren't exposed to something they shouldn't be starts and ends at home. |
What are your thoughts?
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Yabden
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Posted: 02/22/05 - 16:37 Post subject:
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I'm over 17 so I don't give a flying f**k what they do to punk kids.
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Celestra
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Posted: 02/22/05 - 16:49 Post subject:
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Edit coz I said the same thing as whatshisface.
Read the article again and wondering what's in there that could possibly spark much of a debate: sounds very commonsensical.
And also: IT WAS A BOOB PEOPLE. MOVE THE f**k ON.
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Occulis
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Posted: 02/22/05 - 17:05 Post subject:
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There's a difference between a greek sculpture of a nude woman and a lady in a game with sound effects saying, "Mm... god... that feels so good... shove it in farther.. mm.. yeah..."
If people want to pay an extra $0.10 per game for the effort it takes the manufacturers to get M/R/NC-17/whatever rating for games, then hey go for it.
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Callaren
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Posted: 02/22/05 - 18:02 Post subject:
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I guess it's ok. The kid would just need a parent to come get the game for them. On the other hand, who the f**k can tell me what I can and cannot play/watch if I'm under 18? Only my parents - not some f*****g prude commission of a******s out to rule the world through rating media.
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Fattguyy
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Posted: 02/22/05 - 18:07 Post subject:
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People need to quit trying to structure their life off of man made values 
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lotek
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Posted: 02/22/05 - 18:07 Post subject:
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I cant wait to have kids so the government can raise them!
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Tura
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Posted: 02/22/05 - 18:09 Post subject:
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Most important part of the article imo:
| Quote: | | It's the parent's job to decide what's appropriate for their children – not the government's. |
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Tamrissa
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Posted: 02/22/05 - 19:15 Post subject:
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i buy my kids games for them, they wont be buying thier own any time soon as they go to school.
as long as they live here they wont work until schools done or unless they are old enough ( over 16 ) and responsible enough to juggle work and school.
i think treating it like smokes would work...
selling to a minor = heavily fined and repeat offense = jail time.
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Ciladar
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Posted: 02/22/05 - 19:37 Post subject:
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I was carded a few weeks ago in EB when I bought Mortal Kombat: Deception...
Then again, I was also being carded in Wal-Mart when I bought the SI swimsuit issue. I showed her my college ID and she said that was no good, I then showed her my car keys, and she still didn't believe me. Said she needed an actual ID to confirm I was 17+. Finally after analyzing my license for literlly5 minutes she said she could sell it to me...All for a swim suit issue... f*****g Wal-Mart is ridiculous.
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FockTop
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Posted: 02/22/05 - 19:37 Post subject:
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| Tamrissa wrote: | i buy my kids games for them, they wont be buying thier own any time soon as they go to school.
as long as they live here they wont work until schools done or unless they are old enough ( over 16 ) and responsible enough to juggle work and school.
i think treating it like smokes would work...
selling to a minor = heavily fined and repeat offense = jail time. |
at 16 work is the best thing that can happen to any teen even at school. They learn how RL works, they get some experience, they can pay their dates/stuff they learn how to split their time, they have no time left to train in street and it allow them to have something to put on their CV.
20 hours or even just the weekend of work is good enough and during summer 30 hours is not bad either they still can go out and have fun.
The sooner they start..the better dont try to portect them until they are in the 20s and still at school it wont do them any good.
You cannot protect them from society you can allow prepare them it, and no matter what your kids will make mistakes maybe worse then you but they will learn from them just like you did.
Remember someone who never lost in life wont know how to get back up fast.
Anyway its my point of view and at 16 my daughter is out for work school or not.
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Tamrissa
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Posted: 02/22/05 - 19:43 Post subject:
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hi read well... i said over 16 .. that means 16 plus 1 day and up, im not gonna tell them they cant work until thier 20 pfftt by 20 they better be off in university and/or thier own place and working to pay thier way cause they arent getting it all handed to them.
school/education >*
but, i wont allow my kids to be working tobacco fields at 12 years old thats for damn sure, and they wont be able to buy these games till they are of age.
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Owyyn
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Posted: 02/22/05 - 19:45 Post subject:
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| FockTop wrote: | | Tamrissa wrote: | i buy my kids games for them, they wont be buying thier own any time soon as they go to school.
as long as they live here they wont work until schools done or unless they are old enough ( over 16 ) and responsible enough to juggle work and school.
i think treating it like smokes would work...
selling to a minor = heavily fined and repeat offense = jail time. |
at 16 work is the best thing that can happen to any teen even at school. They learn how RL works, they get some experience, they can pay their dates/stuff they learn how to split their time, they have no time left to train in street and it allow them to have something to put on their CV.
20 hours or even just the weekend of work is good enough and during summer 30 hours is not bad either they still can go out and have fun.
The sooner they start..the better dont try to portect them until they are in the 20s and still at school it wont do them any good.
You cannot protect them from society you can allow prepare them it, and no matter what your kids will make mistakes maybe worse then you but they will learn from them just like you did.
Remember someone who never lost in life wont know how to get back up fast.
Anyway its my point of view and at 16 my daughter is out for work school or not. |
in english please
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Celestra
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Posted: 02/23/05 - 02:54 Post subject:
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| Owyyn wrote: | | FockTop wrote: | | Tamrissa wrote: | i buy my kids games for them, they wont be buying thier own any time soon as they go to school.
as long as they live here they wont work until schools done or unless they are old enough ( over 16 ) and responsible enough to juggle work and school.
i think treating it like smokes would work...
selling to a minor = heavily fined and repeat offense = jail time. |
at 16 work is the best thing that can happen to any teen even at school. They learn how RL works, they get some experience, they can pay their dates/stuff they learn how to split their time, they have no time left to train in street and it allow them to have something to put on their CV.
20 hours or even just the weekend of work is good enough and during summer 30 hours is not bad either they still can go out and have fun.
The sooner they start..the better dont try to portect them until they are in the 20s and still at school it wont do them any good.
You cannot protect them from society you can allow prepare them it, and no matter what your kids will make mistakes maybe worse then you but they will learn from them just like you did.
Remember someone who never lost in life wont know how to get back up fast.
Anyway its my point of view and at 16 my daughter is out for work school or not. |
in english please |
Don't you people get tired of yourselves.
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Yabden
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Posted: 02/23/05 - 03:10 Post subject:
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| Tamrissa wrote: | hi read well... i said over 16 .. that means 16 plus 1 day and up, im not gonna tell them they cant work until thier 20 pfftt by 20 they better be off in university and/or thier own place and working to pay thier way cause they arent getting it all handed to them.
school/education >*
but, i wont allow my kids to be working tobacco fields at 12 years old thats for damn sure, and they wont be able to buy these games till they are of age. |
you sound like a really prude parent. good luck with that.
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Aluaeia
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Posted: 02/23/05 - 03:25 Post subject:
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kids ask me to buy them porn and cigarettes every time i walk down to the gas station, i take their money, buy them a hustler or penthouse and tell them smoking's bad for their health. It owns.
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Celestra
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Posted: 02/23/05 - 03:40 Post subject:
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You're going to hell. I'm sure of it.
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Paden
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Posted: 02/23/05 - 03:50 Post subject:
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Figures North Carolina is involved.
I hate my state.
Anyway I bought some kids some Steel Reserve one time. I aint even 21 LOLz!!
I never get carded... It owns
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gotissues68
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Posted: 02/23/05 - 04:21 Post subject:
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I've been approached to buy beer and smokes for kids before. I tell them I won't and move on. Sure its hypocritcal because I did the same things when I was there age but I won't don't want to be held accountable if they get hurt. The government needs to keep their noses out of this kind of stuff though. If parents claim they don't have time or whatever to review everything their child does then they need to re-visit their time management skills. Let kids be kids, let them make mistakes and learn from them and if you as a parent feel its appropriate for your 12 year old child to play grand theft auto then go ahead and purchase it for them. But make sure that you instill reality versus computer games so that they don't get the wrong message. Simply making something taboo or punishable will only make kids want to do it even more.
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Overon
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Posted: 02/23/05 - 04:27 Post subject:
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people are sad
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Deiahova
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Posted: 02/23/05 - 05:47 Post subject:
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| lotek wrote: | | I cant wait to have kids so the government can raise them! |
Seriously, maybe its the parents job to raise their kids..once in a while? no? okay.
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compusmack
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Posted: 02/23/05 - 10:11 Post subject:
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Jail time for selling M rated video games is ridiculous. They really need to back off this and stop using that superbowl folley the reasoning.
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Reebo
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Posted: 02/23/05 - 11:29 Post subject:
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I agree with those who say you need to let your kids experience mistakes sometimes. Nothing is worse than a clueless child with no street smarts at all.
I know parents to shelter and smother their kids so much when they get to high school either they become, s***s, wanna be gang bangers or get their ass kicked/robbed all the time.
There is no single way to raise a child it depends on the kid and your household. For instance some kids you never need to lay a hand on them just a good talking to get’s them in shape others you need to give me a smack upside the head to get them going.
Regardless of the way some of us act on this board most of us turned out ok and I can say I saw a lot of tv violence and hard rock and hip hop and all other types of thinks as a kid and I haven’t killed anyone or ended up in jail, yet.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 02/23/05 - 17:28 Post subject:
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It starts with the parents. Everything starts with the parents. If your kids are playing violent video games and it's affecting them negatively, you'll be able to tell by the way they behave and the way they talk.
"Hmmm, Johnny sure has acted strange lately. Perhaps it's time to look into that medicine that Cindy gives her son" is not the solution.
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Occulis
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Posted: 02/23/05 - 17:34 Post subject:
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4 real tho silvermouse if sum 16yr old teen wanted u u'd be like 'hay whassup'''' ppppp''''
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 02/23/05 - 18:27 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | | 4 real tho silvermouse if sum 16yr old teen wanted u u'd be like 'hay whassup'''' ppppp'''' |
id be all like "b***h u bearly got tits! u think id hit thos tits?? huh!?" (corse id still f**k that b***h 5 ways from friday haha! whut! whut!)
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