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Nahualli
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| ATM Banana wrote: | | Why gays feel compelled to associate with something that is essentially religious is beyond me, aside from the obvious money card. |
What?
Who the f**k wants to get married in a church? I sure as hell don't. I gave up my career in the Catholic Church a long time ago.
ATM : You're perpetuating the symantic myth that makes this argument so divisive. We aren't after something that's religious. We're after something LEGAL. It just HAPPENS to be called the same thing as the similar religious practice, because our goverment took the easy way out and stopped issuing seperate and totally secular civil unions. They now consider the court documents and the religious ceremony one in the same. Huge f*****g mistake.
Look at it this way : If you have a commonlaw marriage but are not married in the Catholic Church (for instance), just TRY to get your baby baptized into the Church. It's not going to happen. The Catholic Church considers the court paper (aka "marriage license") to be completely and totally insignificant. It's not a '"real" marriage until it's been sealed in the eyes of God. So I have to wonder, why the huge deal about some court documents at the county registrar that the majority of religious organizations don't take very seriously anyways? What exactly is the problem? We aren't defying your religion or creed by defiling your altars with our perverted unions. We just want the government to treat our unions the same as hetero unions in the eyes of the law. What's it really hurting your lifestyle? It's not. Plain and simply it's not. I have yet to see anyone offer up any example of a way in which homosexual civil unions are directly impacting the heterosexual lifestyle and the heterosexual church-sanctioned marriages.
When I die I expect my partner to inherit all of my assets as well as being able to collect on my insurance, etc, and not have his family step in and claim it for theirs because our union was not "real".
-Nah-
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Dyers
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Posted: 11/08/04 - 03:33 Post subject:
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Catholic Church make you gay, Nah?
Baptising at birth is a crock as well. To get baptised one needs to know in his/ her heart he/ she has sinned, repent, accept and confess Jesus Christ as their Saviour, and get a full immersion. Babies can't do that...they recieve a forced Baptism within a Satanic church.
"And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? *And Philip said, IF THOU BELIEVEST with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I BELIEVE that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and THEY went down both into the water, BOTH Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him." Acts 8:36-38
"Then Peter said unto them, REPENT, and be BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall RECEIVE the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST." Acts 2:38
Catholic Church is teh suck!
Go for the Civil union whatever thing with all the bene's of a marriage behind door number two.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 11/08/04 - 04:25 Post subject:
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| Dyers wrote: | | Baptising at birth is a crock as well. To get baptised one needs to know in his/ her heart he/ she has sinned, repent, accept and confess Jesus Christ as their Saviour, and get a full immersion. Babies can't do that...they recieve a forced Baptism within a Satanic church. |
Baptism is probably one of the smallest crocks within the Catholic Church, however, this is not my beef. I'm only stating how Baptism fits in with other aspects of leading a good and wholesome Catholic existence, like for example how Marriage within the Church plays into it.
You can't baptize your kids into the Church without a Catholic Marriage. Why? Because the Church regards the papers as little more than a formality, hence why I still do not understand why the big stink exists when I want to get those same papers under my name. No institution here is being ruined, only someone's pride.
I realize you're agreeing with me. I'm not arguing with you, I'm merely using your point to emphasize mine.
And no, the Church didn't make me gay. I would owe them something if they had. They just made me realize the difference between good and evil.
*grin*
-Nah-
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 11/08/04 - 13:07 Post subject:
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Luckily, our grandkids won't be having any of these arguments.
Replace "gays" with "negros" and "marriage" with "schools, buses and restaurants" and you'll have our grandparents.
A generation before that, replace "negros" with "women" and "schools, buses and restaurants" with "voting" and you'll have our great-grandparents.
Every generation has its own social drama.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 11/08/04 - 18:07 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | Luckily, our grandkids won't be having any of these arguments.
Replace "gays" with "negros" and "marriage" with "schools, buses and restaurants" and you'll have our grandparents.
A generation before that, replace "negros" with "women" and "schools, buses and restaurants" with "voting" and you'll have our great-grandparents.
Every generation has its own social drama. |
Actually male negros could vote before women.
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Akronn
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Posted: 11/08/04 - 19:39 Post subject:
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| Nahualli wrote: | | Vekril wrote: | So Confused have you ever had **** intercourse with your fiance? I am referring to basic ****, where a male member of the human species penetrates the female human's vagina with his penis, and usually continues until 1 or both parties achieve orgasm.
A simple yes or no answer.
And if the answer is yes, did you have **** before you became engaged?
I do not think the question could get any more clear. |
If he answered this he would be a hypocrite at worst, a liar at best. WheresNWS chooses his battles carefully.
-Nah- |
Hilarious that he's dodging this question.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 11/08/04 - 19:43 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | Nahualli wrote: | | Vekril wrote: | So Confused have you ever had **** intercourse with your fiance? I am referring to basic ****, where a male member of the human species penetrates the female human's vagina with his penis, and usually continues until 1 or both parties achieve orgasm.
A simple yes or no answer.
And if the answer is yes, did you have **** before you became engaged?
I do not think the question could get any more clear. |
If he answered this he would be a hypocrite at worst, a liar at best. WheresNWS chooses his battles carefully.
-Nah- |
Hilarious that he's dodging this question. |
Maybe they're both virgins and he's embarrassed. 
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Trebel
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 02:53 Post subject:
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No f*****g shit you can reproduce. However, do you choose to? The majority of homosexuals do not have biological offspring. That is the point I am making. On a side note, yes you can reproduce but you are too f*****g stupid to figure out what most kids did in preschool. This peg goes in this hole. Its not peg into peg or hole into hole. So go keep trying to reproduce, but you may want to consult a preschooler who would assure you that you are putting your peg in the wrong hole. f*g.
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xeqer
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 09:57 Post subject:
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 10:09 Post subject:
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| Trebel wrote: | | No f*****g shit you can reproduce. However, do you choose to? The majority of homosexuals do not have biological offspring. That is the point I am making. On a side note, yes you can reproduce but you are too f*****g stupid to figure out what most kids did in preschool. This peg goes in this hole. Its not peg into peg or hole into hole. So go keep trying to reproduce, but you may want to consult a preschooler who would assure you that you are putting your peg in the wrong hole. f*g. |
I personally know a gay couple that had a baby, one of their best female friends carried their baby. She was also their "best-man" (called witness in Belgium) at their wedding.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 13:41 Post subject:
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| Trebel wrote: | | No f*****g shit you can reproduce. However, do you choose to? The majority of homosexuals do not have biological offspring. That is the point I am making. On a side note, yes you can reproduce but you are too f*****g stupid to figure out what most kids did in preschool. This peg goes in this hole. Its not peg into peg or hole into hole. So go keep trying to reproduce, but you may want to consult a preschooler who would assure you that you are putting your peg in the wrong hole. f*g. |
So much hatred. Did a gay person touch you when you were a child?
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kbarr
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 13:43 Post subject:
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Trebel
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 14:03 Post subject:
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Not a hatred, just the cruel hard facts. Homosexuality is wrong, and I don't approve of it personally. Obviously no one here cares if I approve of what they do or not, but thats not gonna stop me from voicing my opinion. And yes like I said, gay people can reproduce, but they have to find someone to either impregnate them or carry their baby. So like I said they're not sterile, but the majority of gay couples don't go that route.
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Dyers
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 14:26 Post subject:
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Hit a good idea there, Treb.
How bout we give gays marriage, BUT, they must get sterilised first!!??
heheh
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 14:34 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | Luckily, our grandkids won't be having any of these arguments.
Replace "gays" with "negros" and "marriage" with "schools, buses and restaurants" and you'll have our grandparents.
A generation before that, replace "negros" with "women" and "schools, buses and restaurants" with "voting" and you'll have our great-grandparents.
Every generation has its own social drama. |
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Orbit
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 14:38 Post subject:
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| Dyers wrote: | Hit a good idea there, Treb.
How bout we give gays marriage, BUT, they must get sterilised first!!??
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And you consider yourself a christian? Do unto others as you have then do unto you..(something like that)
What sad is its not your problem. Let your god sort it out.. If they are not bothering you why even make it a issue.. So much hate...
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Nahualli
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 15:12 Post subject:
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| Trebel wrote: | | No f*****g shit you can reproduce. However, do you choose to? The majority of homosexuals do not have biological offspring. That is the point I am making. On a side note, yes you can reproduce but you are too f*****g stupid to figure out what most kids did in preschool. This peg goes in this hole. Its not peg into peg or hole into hole. So go keep trying to reproduce, but you may want to consult a preschooler who would assure you that you are putting your peg in the wrong hole. f*g. |
It still throws your entire pedantic genetics tirade out of the water.
-Nah-
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Dyers
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 15:13 Post subject:
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It was a joke, Orb...
Sarcasm.... A guy can't joke anymore? 
I already agreed with Abi on his idea with the civil union thing without interfering with marriage. I don't agree with their lifestyle at all, either way, but you know that already.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 15:18 Post subject:
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| Trebel wrote: | | Not a hatred, just the cruel hard facts. Homosexuality is wrong, and I don't approve of it personally. Obviously no one here cares if I approve of what they do or not, but thats not gonna stop me from voicing my opinion. And yes like I said, gay people can reproduce, but they have to find someone to either impregnate them or carry their baby. So like I said they're not sterile, but the majority of gay couples don't go that route. |
I'm going to trust you on this one. After all you ARE a cell and molecular biology major, with a focus in genetics.
hahahahahahahahahaha.........
If you really want to know why I'm lambasting you in particular, it was because you started out your whole spiel with this gem :
| Quote: | | Nahualli a recessive gene will breed itself out ieventually if it leads to sterility. |
This is what I was replying to when I said that it doesn't really explain anything. The fact is we're still reproducing, and even though we aren't doing it very well, there are more and more gays being born every year meaning they're coming from *somewhere*. So your explanation was shit.
I might have let it go at that, but lines like
| Quote: | | Trust me on this one, I am a a cell and molecular biology major, with a focus in genetics |
just crack me up. Trust you on what? Like I'm not smart enough to do my own thinking for myself? I'm not smart enough to decide how I feel about myself, rather I should let some c**t determine what I am just because he's a m***********g bio major. Umm yeah, that's gonna happen. ROFL...
I mock you.
-Nah-
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 15:20 Post subject:
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So when is this gene going to breed itself out? It's been 40,000 years or so.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 15:31 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | So when is this gene going to breed itself out? It's been 40,000 years or so. |
I dunno, ask the f*****g bookworm.
Any day now, I'm sure.
I bet it won't take as long as l*****n dinosaurs to become extinct, tho.
-Nah-
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Trebel
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 16:46 Post subject:
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What I am saying is evidence that it is not inborn like the homosexual community has argued. So then as you yourself said "where are the new gays coming from" (or something along those lines to lazy to use quote feature), that is almost an admission that it is not a genetically link trait. Maybe an epigenetic phenomena, but I highly doubt that. Now, my original argument was simply, if "gay" is a gene then it will breed itself out, or rather not breed itself on. So if gays are coming out of nowhere, then that tells me that its not genetic, and is in fact learned. If its learned, then it can be unlearned. Heterosexual mating is the backbone of the human civilization. Biologically speaking, what purpose does a homosexual serve for the advancement of the population?
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Nahualli
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 16:52 Post subject:
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| Trebel wrote: | | Biologically speaking, what purpose does a homosexual serve for the advancement of the population? |
lol....
If every member of this fine species was required to "advance the population", we wouldn't survive for very long.
We aren't in any danger of dying out. I guarantee you that if we were every queer out there would be knocking up the first woman he could get his hands on.
I'm sorry your explanations still aren't making jack or shit for sense. We can still reproduce therefore our contribution to the advancement of the species is still there, it's not being exercised. Nowadays having kids is a matter of preference anyways, not obligation. During the Plague they probably wanted everyone to have 12 kids, that's really not the problem nowadays now, is it?
Does every single heterosexual couple that enters into marriage have kids? Are they required to? Are they not contributing to the continuation of the species if they choose not to?
-Nah-
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 16:55 Post subject:
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| Trebel wrote: | | Biologically speaking, what purpose does a homosexual serve for the advancement of the population? |
If you consider anything besides breeding (such as work, science, the arts, etc.) to serve for the advancement of the population, then homosexuals have as much purpose as any other human being. Also, homosexuals can breed with heterosexuals if necessary.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 16:59 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Trebel wrote: | | Biologically speaking, what purpose does a homosexual serve for the advancement of the population? |
If you consider anything besides breeding (such as work, science, the arts, etc.) to serve for the advancement of the population, then homosexuals have as much purpose as any other human being. Also, homosexuals can breed with heterosexuals if necessary. |
This guy's the smartest f*****g moron I've ever had the pleasure of talking to. He's trying to find a way to make his book learning and theories support his own prejudice which he's already clearly stated, but it's just not working.
If you don't like f**s that's cool. But please stop trying to find a way of bending the laws of genetics to cover your ass. Just leave it at you hating f**s.
-Nah-
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motherface
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 17:19 Post subject:
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One problem these dunces are having is the distinction between homosexuality (preference for same-**** relationships) and gay buttsex. For most of them I think the distaste for the latter is the cause for the hatred of the former.
Anyway the "doesn't advance the species" argument is retarded. Human beings are self-aware, and if a homosexual wanted to reproduce, he or she could easily make it happen. Also any form of oral **** or masturbation does nothing to help the species reproduce, so anyone who engages in those acts is hurting humanity's chances for survival. Right? Douchebags.
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motherface
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 17:27 Post subject:
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| Trebel wrote: | | "where are the new gays coming from" (or something along those lines to lazy to use quote feature), that is almost an admission that it is not a genetically link trait. |
Do you have above a 5th grade education? Have you ever heard of mutations? It's how evolution works.
| Trebel wrote: | | Now, my original argument was simply, if "gay" is a gene then it will breed itself out, or rather not breed itself on. So if gays are coming out of nowhere, then that tells me that its not genetic, and is in fact learned. If its learned, then it can be unlearned. Heterosexual mating is the backbone of the human civilization. Biologically speaking, what purpose does a homosexual serve for the advancement of the population? |
Like I said in my previous reply, you are ignoring the fact that human beings are self-aware, sentient beings who can choose how to act and whose actions are not dictated by instinct. There's nothing to stop a gay person from acknowledging that he is gay and then going out and f*****g some chick and reproducing, hence your argument that it will breed itself out is specious. Centuries of gays being "in the closet," forced to lead heterosexual lives, is probably what led to today's relatively large gay population in the first place. Think about it c**t-beret.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 17:29 Post subject:
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| motherface wrote: | | Trebel wrote: | | "where are the new gays coming from" (or something along those lines to lazy to use quote feature), that is almost an admission that it is not a genetically link trait. |
Do you have above a 5th grade education? Have you ever heard of mutations? It's how evolution works. |
I try to stay away from using that word, since it has more negative connotations than positive ones.
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motherface
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 17:35 Post subject:
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I didn't mean for it to have positive or negative connotations, scientifically it's a neutral word, though I realize that between X-Men and Chernobyl, "mutant" certainly doesn't sound nice. But that's how evolution works; mutations that make the species "stronger" (extremely loosely defined, especially given that Humans are at the top of the food chain and have no natural predators to evade) are propagated, those that don't die off.
Personally I feel like evolution has stopped for humans for the most part, but that's another subject.
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Occulis
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Posted: 11/09/04 - 17:46 Post subject:
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Conditions of overcrowding causes a rise in rates of homosexuality in male rats.
In other words, I wonder why WheresNWS has or has not had **** with his wife?
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