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Luturb
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 Posted: 02/27/04 - 19:14 Post subject:
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Err can't edit, but that last line should have read "there are special exclusions that make it easier for refugees from Cuba and Haiti to receive special assistance.
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Megalo
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 19:19 Post subject:
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Lets take this a step farther, shall we, oh short sided Luturb?
| Quote: | Also Friday, the U.S. Coast Guard repatriated 537 Haitian boat people at a dock near the capital in a bid to choke off a tide of refugees from the troubled country.
It was the first repatriation since Haiti's uprising began Feb. 5 and underscored President Bush's determination not to allow the rebellion to lead to a mass exodus, despite pleas from human rights groups and three Florida lawmakers to allow them refuge.
Most said they were fleeing the grinding poverty in Haiti, not because of political motivations or fear of being swept up in the 3-week-old uprising, which has claimed at least 80 lives. |
Once again, we are turning another cheek when it suits us. I love our Gub-ment.
Luturb, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WILL YOU PLEASE READ THAT LINK?
You spent all that time looking up things, ex post facto, when if you had read the link I sent you on the problems with Hatian refugess, you WOULD HAVE READ THAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAS NOT BEEN EXTENDING THE SAME COURTESIES TO HATIANS FOR THE BETTER PART OF ****3**** DECADES UNDER THE SAME f*****g ACT YOU JUST QUOTED.
you dumb f**k.
Read. Please. Read it.
You quoting government policy that hasn't been enforced properly for almost 25 years is f*****g funny you retard.
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Megalo
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 19:24 Post subject:
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Killing the Avatar of Anus? You're my man.
Slaying The Statue of I-Haven't-been-laid-in-months? You'd be the first person i'd /t.
But politics?
Might wanna stick to what you know, guy with the gun. heh
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Rycrias
Luke Warm
Joined: 21 Oct 2002
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Location: Indianapolis, IN
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 19:49 Post subject:
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Please make a list of all the countries on this planet that are in the unfortunate situation that Haiti is. The people of the United States can then begin helping each and every one of them, we could start off in either alphabetical order or make them draw straws......hope you have A LOT of straws.
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Megalo
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 19:50 Post subject:
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Also, numbnuts Luturb...
Yes, the CIA backed and help put Hussein in power around 1963. This is common knowledge. (ok, common to anyone that doesn't talk out of his/her ass)
Then we turned around and gave money and weapons to Iran; the same people we were fighting against when we put Hussein in power!
So yes, we did put Hussein in power.
Might wanna stick to killing big mobs and let the rest of us deal with thinking, politics, and history.
See, the later actually requires reading.
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Docter
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Joined: 21 Oct 2002
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 19:51 Post subject:
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So Magelo...did the Holocaust actually happen, since you are into history???
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Megalo
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 19:54 Post subject:
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Magelo...
Isn't that what you geeks use to scrutinize your characters even further? heh
And doc, other than that, I have no idea why you said that. Other than you might have Tourette's.
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Docter
RealPoor Guru
Joined: 21 Oct 2002
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 19:57 Post subject:
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Wanted to know what your opinion was about the Holocaust...well???
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Docter
RealPoor Guru
Joined: 21 Oct 2002
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 20:07 Post subject:
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What...no reply yet???
LOL
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Docter
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 20:19 Post subject:
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Still waiting Magelo.../taps his foot
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Megalo
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 20:21 Post subject:
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What's there to say? I'm stunned because you might have well just asked me if I think the sky is blue!
If I'm worried about Hatians, what in god's name do you think i'm going to think about that?!?!
I'm not sure I am required to answer that.
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Docter
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 20:22 Post subject:
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Didn't think you'd answer it you fraud.
Nice try, but I can see through your facade. 
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Megalo
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 20:25 Post subject:
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ok, here goes.....
and this might be radical, so take a seat before reading:
If one person was killed over the "supreme race", it was one too many.
Shocking I know.
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Docter
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 20:27 Post subject:
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Are you telling me what you wanted me to hear or is this in fact your sincere opinion???
If it was your sincere opinion, then I will recant my opinion that I was forming about you.
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Luturb
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 20:30 Post subject:
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I did read it. For starters, it is on an advocacy page and should by no means be considered unbiased news although I have no particular reason to doubt it's veracity. Secondly, it describes a temporary policy on Haiti, and the reasoning behind it is listed in the article. You can argue whether or not the reasoning is valid, but there is no indication aside from your previous bias that it has anything to do with race. It was a reaction to events in Haiti at the time, not a general policy on the country. Thirdly, you still haven't posted anything about why you feel the US is racist in taking so long (3 weeks  ) to send troops to Haiti, and now that we are sending a few, you for some reason seem to believe that proves you right. And no 2200 marines is not a force to take over a country of 7 million people. When they did that before they sent 20,000.
| Quote: | | Any such deployment would be aimed at deterring a potential refugee crisis and to protect the estimated 20,000 American citizens in Haiti. |
They may eventually send troops. I'm not saying that they should or they shouldn't. But either way saying that the policy is 'racist' is just your own bias showing through.
Regardless, it is Friday and I get off work in 15 minutes so I am done with this thread. Now that I know that you are just another loudmouth j*****s I will not attempt have a discussion with you again. I would suggest however, that you try thinking for yourself, rather than parroting the ideology you got from some professor in college and searching the web for articles to back it up on conspiracy theory websites.
Adios and have a nice weekend, hope you don't spend it ranting on Realpoor. It will be interesting to see if even one person agrees with you by Monday.
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Megalo
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 20:33 Post subject:
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You didn't read it.
Otherwise you wouldn't have pulled up, and made SPECIAL notice, of an Act that was almost the entire point of the article I pointed out.
If you're not even going to attempt to read, I certainly won't put much effort into your posts either.
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Kazkuk
Luke Warm
Joined: 22 Oct 2002
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 20:35 Post subject:
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Why dont we cut their US support so we can save some money to help our country out. We wouldnt have anyone report about it because no one from the US would be involved so nobody would give a f**k in live in sheltered bliss (or you could probably look it up on some site where people b***h about not getting enough free hand outs from the US, if you really want to hear about that stuff).
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Megalo
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 20:36 Post subject:
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And if I have to badger you to read it in order to even get you to acknowledge it, I don't have much faith in your ability to think objectively.
Nice try, tho...talking about it now. Would make anyone with little deductive reasoning believe you.
Fact is you never would have tried to throw that in my face, given what my article said. It made it PAINFULLY obvious you hadn't read it.
And now I can add liar to that list.
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Rycrias
Luke Warm
Joined: 21 Oct 2002
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Location: Indianapolis, IN
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 22:29 Post subject:
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Where is my list? Surely Haiti isnt the only country worthy of U.S. attention and intervention. Or did you just recently learn of the world wide human condition?
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Nuldaan
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Joined: 07 Nov 2002
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 23:22 Post subject:
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Megalo, you directed me to this link from a different post. Your original argument in the other post was that race was a consideration in our dealings with Haiti. (I might add this was in defense of a black woman's blatantly racist remarks. It's hard to miss the irony there).
Even after reading everything you've posted, I don't see any evidence that race is an issue. I guess if you considered Haitians as a race, I can sort of see your point but you were arguing that we don't help blacks in general. I'm just not seeing your argument. You didn't post anything that actually supports your viewpoint. You pointed out a lot of discrepancies in our Haitian foreign policy but again, no conclusive ties that the underlying cause for those discrepancies is racism.
I have to repeat what Luturb asked, where is the evidence of racism? You need post something that actually draws a tie to race being used as a consideration. Simply pointing out an injustice then claiming it's racism is nothing more than a giant leap of faith that you expect us to follow because you say it's true.
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Megalo
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Posted: 02/28/04 - 01:12 Post subject:
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Nul,
Watch 'Real Time With Bill Mahr' this week if you have HBO.
I'm not pulling this stuff out of my ass, bro. Many, MANY people think the same way I do. Not like I'm original or anything.
Funny I saw this episode tonight. They talked about this at length. Gay marriages too.
I'd like for you guys to see a more metropolitan outlook on human rights. Maybe it will show you just how far you're behind in your thinking.
Just like the North was so far ahead of the social times during the Civil War period. And still is come to think of it...guess some things never change.
NOW WHARES MY WRASTLIN?!?! GOTTA BE ON THE TV TONIGHT!
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Tolanin
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Posted: 02/28/04 - 01:15 Post subject:
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| Megalo wrote: | Nul,
Watch 'Real Time With Bill Mahr' this week if you have HBO.
I'm not pulling this stuff out of my ass, bro. Many, MANY people think the same way I do. Not like I'm original or anything.
Funny I saw this episode tonight. They talked about this at length. Gay marriages too.
I'd like for you guys to see a more metropolitan outlook on human rights. Maybe it will show you just how far you're behind in your thinking.
Just like the North was so far ahead of the social times during the Civil War period. And still is come to think of it...guess some things never change.
NOW WHARES MY WRASTLIN?!?! GOTTA BE ON THE TV TONIGHT! |
You're a moron.
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Nuldaan
Sir Postalot
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Posted: 02/28/04 - 02:04 Post subject:
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| Megalo wrote: | Nul,
Watch 'Real Time With Bill Mahr' this week if you have HBO.
I'm not pulling this stuff out of my ass, bro. Many, MANY people think the same way I do. Not like I'm original or anything.
Funny I saw this episode tonight. They talked about this at length. Gay marriages too.
I'd like for you guys to see a more metropolitan outlook on human rights. Maybe it will show you just how far you're behind in your thinking.
Just like the North was so far ahead of the social times during the Civil War period. And still is come to think of it...guess some things never change.
NOW WHARES MY WRASTLIN?!?! GOTTA BE ON THE TV TONIGHT! |
Megalo, I never implied you were making anything up. What I said was, I don't see any evidence that supports your claim. You may be right, but until you can show me something conclusive, I don't see any reason to believe that.
By the way, for the record, I lived not far from you (in Southern California) for about 10 years. I recently moved up to Silicon Valley. I'm hardly a backwoods hick as you keep implying. I simply don't agree with you.
Simply saying that a lot of people believe the same thing doesn't make it so. This is not a matter of majority opinion. This is a matter of factual evidence (or lack thereof) to support your assertion that Haitian foreign policy is based on some racial prejudice. If so many believe the same thing, why do they believe it? What evidence do they have that you have not shown me? All I see is a leap of faith. Show me some real evidence to support what you're claiming.
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Starks
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Posted: 02/28/04 - 14:46 Post subject:
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Aristade is catholic priest, that is why he cannot effectively govern Haiti. Aristade was elected with the backing of the US. But since he had the financial backing of the US it was an unfair election to anyone that opposed him.
The US has helped keep Saddam in power. Read about Donald Rumsfield and what he did with Iraq during the Iran Contra.
Through knowledge you gain wisdom.
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Clevinger
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Posted: 02/28/04 - 15:39 Post subject:
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Bill Maher is full of two things: himself and shit.
His show is at times entertaining but never is it anything more then entertainment.
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 02/28/04 - 20:21 Post subject:
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| Starks wrote: | Aristade is catholic priest, that is why he cannot effectively govern Haiti. Aristade was elected with the backing of the US. But since he had the financial backing of the US it was an unfair election to anyone that opposed him.
The US has helped keep Saddam in power. Read about Donald Rumsfield and what he did with Iraq during the Iran Contra.
Through knowledge you gain wisdom. |
I'm not sure I see your point, Starks. Megalo's original point was that Haitian foreign policy is based on racial prejudice. He hasn't shown any evidence, credible or not, that supports that.
Again, I'm not entirely sure what difference it makes that we originally put Aristide (or Saddam for that matter) in power. I don't think anyone claims our foreign policy is perfect. Sometimes we back the best option who turns out to be just as bad as everyone else. In addition, in Saddam's case, the world was much different when we supported him and we had much different goals. I fail to see what relevance this has on the current situation in Haiti.
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r00typooh
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Posted: 02/28/04 - 20:34 Post subject:
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i didn't read any of this, but i woulden't be sad if Haiti sank.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 14:03 Post subject:
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| Megalo wrote: |
We let 20,000 Cubans come over on visas. We let even more just flat out immigrate here; and from a country who's dictator we've been trying to oust since he came into power like 40 some odd years ago.
I'm sure the mere coincidence that Hatians are black is just that: coincidence! It couldn't POSSIBLY play a part in this, could it?
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Well, I think we want Cubans to come over as a snub to Fidel Castro. As for other immigrants, they let them come over but I don't think that means they want them to come over. That goes for immigrants in general, not just Haitians. Just my take on this.
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Snasty
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 16:51 Post subject: ha
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This whole racial thing is so funny. The majority of bigots/racists are going to see cubans and haitians as the same.
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Docter
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 16:57 Post subject:
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Anti-Liberals/Communists are bigots and racists...how quaint.
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