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Vengar_OO
Sir Postalot
Joined: 30 Nov 2002
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Location: Mayport, FL
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 Posted: 03/08/05 - 17:51 Post subject: Extreme Politics (brought to you by Mountain Dew)
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http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyID=2005-03-06T130729Z_01_N04579520_RTRIDST_0_USREPORT-LIFE-KANSAS-DC.XML
It's groups or an individual like this that would really make me consider voting for a different party than Republican.
If say, I knew these lunatics actually had pull in congress, and I had to pick between a Republican who was with these cats, or Dem, I'd probably vote Dem, or whoever was closest to moderate.
This is what scares me about my own political party. It's the extremists. While my views are mostly conservative, I do not like laws being based on someone elses religion. In fact, religious fundies scare me just about as bad as the most extreme lefty pinko treehugger.
Too bad we can't take these nuts and just put them in their own seperate party.
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Zorin
Luke Warm
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
Posts: 282
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Posted: 03/08/05 - 17:58 Post subject:
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There's a good book out right now, called 'What's the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America' by Thomas Frank.
They're a self-defeating front out there. The Republican party couldn't be more against Kansas' economic interests, yet the once hotbed for progressive American thinking keeps voting red!
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xammer99
Luke Warm
Joined: 14 Mar 2003
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Posted: 03/08/05 - 21:53 Post subject:
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Self-Defeating? Not if your place social issues ahead of economic issues, which they clearly do, and the Republican party platform is much more intune with what they want done. So no surprise at all on how they vote.
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Vekril
RealPoor Guru
Joined: 15 Oct 2002
Posts: 2525
Location: Jersey
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Posted: 03/08/05 - 23:26 Post subject:
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exactly, Frank's book is a better example of how the liberal elites are out of touch with middle America than anything else
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Nuldaan
Sir Postalot
Joined: 07 Nov 2002
Posts: 1179
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Posted: 03/09/05 - 03:04 Post subject:
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| Vekril wrote: | | exactly, Frank's book is a better example of how the liberal elites are out of touch with middle America than anything else |
This entire situation makes me a little sad. I don't agree with many of the social stances the Republican party takes but I just can't bring myself to vote for a Democrat. Whereas I only agree with maybe half of the Republican agenda, I agree with none of the Democratic one. Needless to say, I'm very rarely enthused about who I'm voting for.
I really wish the Democrats would offer a more cohesive and relevant alternative to the Republicans. I think Vekril posted this awhile ago but the very thing that catapulted the Democrats to power years ago is what is now tearing the party apart. You just can't pander to everyone.
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xammer99
Luke Warm
Joined: 14 Mar 2003
Posts: 336
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Posted: 03/09/05 - 04:38 Post subject:
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Well, don't expect the DNC to sort itself out any time soon if we go by the history of the GOP. It took the Republican Party over 50 years to sort out its grass roots, get congressmen & senators elected, message. Winning the presidency is one thing, but its entirely different for Congress, and the message of the DNC is pretty non-condusive to doing that.
I honestly continue to wonder if we aren't seeing the first stages of a DNC split because they've tried to pander to so many people. Of course the leadership is dead set against it, but so many groups are feeling the pain of being wedded to 1 party without option that it could snowball. Hell thats what the Reform Party was for the Republican Party in '92 and it scared the hell outta the RNC and gave'em the push they needed to get it together and get a real message in '94+.
Time will tell, but the relevancy of the current DNC platform is in danger.
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Nuldaan
Sir Postalot
Joined: 07 Nov 2002
Posts: 1179
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Posted: 03/09/05 - 06:06 Post subject:
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I completely with you, Xammer. It's a bit concerning to me because a weak Democratic party is bad for everyone.
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Reebo
Sir Postalot
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 1260
Location: Downtown Miami
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Posted: 03/09/05 - 17:52 Post subject:
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I still think most people latch on to one issue and only run with that, or they grow up on one party and just never switch without even really knowing what their party stands for.
For get the age old Demo vs. Repub war that goes on in public and privet. Take any Joe who doesn’t have much education beyond high school and doesn’t try to educated himself in any real way and then ask them questions.
You see them say the most stupid things and when you are done asking questions you wish he couldn’t vote even if he is voting the way you are.
Black, white, democrat, republican you find them on all sides. Sometimes I think people who pick other parties may know more than your average votes because at least you would think they would need to learn the party they joined and the person they are voting for.
I can feel any party current speaks to normal American’s because Americans barley know what’s going on. I understand you are busy but when it comes time to vote at least educate yourself.
To hear people say I voted for Bush because I don’t like gay’s or I voted for Kerry because he is not Bush makes me wish you had to take a test on the party and candidate you choose before voting for them.
This is why I really think in the end most of us will suffer because we rather turn on American Idol then read up on a candidate or a party. We can all quote the educated members of one party or another to make our case, but it’s when you turn to Joe six pack for an answer you find out the real message the American general public understands.
Edit: Wow post 900! Took me long enough.
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Rennol
RealPoor Guru
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 3741
Location: Charleston, IL
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Posted: 03/10/05 - 14:15 Post subject:
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I will make it my mission to revitalize the Democratic party and turn it into the Republican party without the religion and scientific inhibition parts. Then it will be the uber party.
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Occulis
RealPoor Jedi
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 13293
Location: Moral Relativity Central
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Posted: 03/10/05 - 14:36 Post subject:
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The good news is people never had much of a clue. Now we just have so many ways to prove it.
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Starks
Toomuchtimeonhands
Joined: 17 Oct 2002
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Posted: 03/10/05 - 17:50 Post subject:
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Do social issues really matter anymore? I honestly don't think so.
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Frax
RealPoor Master of Posts
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 8489
Location: Fuck yoiu fucking fuckers
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Posted: 03/10/05 - 19:32 Post subject:
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| Starks wrote: | | Do social issues really matter anymore? I honestly don't think so. |
did you even pay attention to the last election? You know that whole Nov 2nd thing where John Kerry blew it by not connecting with voters on simple things like "Values" ?
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Starks
Toomuchtimeonhands
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Posted: 03/10/05 - 20:24 Post subject:
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Values and social issues are two different things. Abortion will never be made illegal, nothing will change in the country if two girls get married, and a teacher will not get killed for saying God in the pledge. Social issues are just "feelings" that people attatch an emotion too. In the big scope of things, they are not important topics.
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Reebo
Sir Postalot
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Location: Downtown Miami
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Posted: 03/11/05 - 15:21 Post subject:
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The labeled "mistake" going around is that when the Dem's added gay rights to the ballet it brought out the religious right even more than the Repub's thought.
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Brael
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Posted: 03/11/05 - 15:50 Post subject:
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| Starks wrote: | | Values and social issues are two different things. Abortion will never be made illegal, nothing will change in the country if two girls get married, and a teacher will not get killed for saying God in the pledge. Social issues are just "feelings" that people attatch an emotion too. In the big scope of things, they are not important topics. |
Maybe not, but enough people obviously care about them to not vote Democrat.
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kbarr
RealPoor Jedi
Joined: 05 Oct 2004
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Location: New York, now go fuck off...
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Posted: 03/11/05 - 16:35 Post subject:
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| Reebo wrote: | | The labeled "mistake" going around is that when the Dem's added gay rights to the ballet it brought out the religious right even more than the Repub's thought. |
When did this mistake happen? When the southern bumpkin who disgraced the white house tried to put f**s in the military? Or years before that....
When exactly did your party make this "mistake"?
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Reebo
Sir Postalot
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Location: Downtown Miami
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Posted: 03/14/05 - 18:39 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | When exactly did your party make this "mistake"? |
They are not "my" party.
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Frehya
RealPoor Guru
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Posted: 03/15/05 - 13:19 Post subject:
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| Kbarr wrote: |
When the southern bumpkin who disgraced the white house tried to put f**s in the military? Or years before that....
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f**s have been in the military since military was invented. I think a better term would be tried to take the stigma off of the f**s in the military.
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Paco
RealPoor Jedi
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Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: 03/15/05 - 14:26 Post subject:
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Because they don't say anything about it.
The day they do is the day they are processed and discharged.
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xammer99
Luke Warm
Joined: 14 Mar 2003
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Posted: 03/15/05 - 14:59 Post subject:
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gays in the military isn't gonna change soon at all, less you see a radical shift in public opinion because it takes an act of congress to amend the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Don't Ask Don't Tell is at best a halfassed way around it nod to a powerful political lobby, but in the end didn't change anything.
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