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WheresNWS
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| scrotum wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: | | scrotum wrote: | you still dont see how the f**k it works do you NWS. there isnt "one" country that decides ANYTHING. IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? there is a group of people from all countries involved to decide what happens and what does not. saying france is gonna decide our work hours just shows how f*****g ignorant you are. give it up a*****e, you've lost this one, a long time ago.
you are making yourself look pretty f*****g retarded. |
The US tried a confederacy over 200 years ago. It took 11 years, but we discovered that it doesn't work. |
you are trying to compare the EU with the confederacy? LMFAO. man, ok...now you can just go hang yourself. seriously. |
lol...it IS a confederacy!
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 15:30 Post subject:
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| WheresNWS wrote: | | Frostkiss wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: | | Frostkiss wrote: | | If you mean we're selling out over that, I am more then happy to agree with you |
Yes, you're selling out over culture. I think you're starting to catch on. And if you think that you will retain sovereignty, you're worse off than I thought. You are being assimilated into a country. You will be like what Rhose Island is to the United States, only your state rights are not guaranteed by the EU constitution. |
I'm not catching on at all... What you call selling out, is just evident for me. And Sir, what European constitution? If you have it, please show me |
You don't even know they've drafted a constitution???  |
The have drafted a constitution this July, (in Belgium) This by no means will be the final draft sir. You, right now, are basing all your retarded comments on the first draft
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 15:33 Post subject:
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| Frostkiss wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: | | Frostkiss wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: | | Frostkiss wrote: | | If you mean we're selling out over that, I am more then happy to agree with you |
Yes, you're selling out over culture. I think you're starting to catch on. And if you think that you will retain sovereignty, you're worse off than I thought. You are being assimilated into a country. You will be like what Rhose Island is to the United States, only your state rights are not guaranteed by the EU constitution. |
I'm not catching on at all... What you call selling out, is just evident for me. And Sir, what European constitution? If you have it, please show me |
You don't even know they've drafted a constitution??? :shock: |
The have drafted a constitution this July, (in Belgium) This by no means will be the final draft sir. You, right now, are basing all your retarded comments on the first draft |
No it isn't the final draft but it's already gone through hundreds of revisions and is "close." The fact that you didn't even know they had on is scary to say the least. I thought Europeans were all sophisticated and educated and stuff.
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 15:39 Post subject:
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There is a draft, and I was aware of that. It's called "Draft Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe". There is no actual consitution for Europe yet. There's actually still referendums going on around it. It has been revised hundreds of times, we've been hearing about it since I was 12.
Lots of things changed, even the name of the currency, which was first EQ, then Florijn, and is now called Euro. Turkey aswell as Italy weren't included first, but now are a part of it.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 15:41 Post subject:
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| Frostkiss wrote: | There is a draft, and I was aware of that. It's called "Draft Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe". There is no actual consitution for Europe yet. There's actually still referendums going on around it. It has been revised hundreds of times, we've been hearing about it since I was 12.
Lots of things changed, even the name of the currency, which was first EQ, then Florijn, and is now called Euro. Turkey aswell as Italy weren't included first, but now are a part of it. |
lol...yeah, since you were 12. Or was that since 12 minutes ago since you've never even heard of it.
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 15:50 Post subject:
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In May I had to be at the Belgian Embassy to pick up my criminal records, aswell as to apply for my "European Passport", since I'm no longer in the citizin-files, but legally had to vote. You see, in Belgium you HAVE to vote, or you get a penalty. That vote included a referendum for the first draft for the European const. I am aware it's there, but by no means we have a European Constitution yet.
They've been talking about this since I was 12. At first Belgium didn't even make the cut, and the currency would be the ECU, then it was Florijn (from the first dutch currency). This isn't something that popped up 3 years ago, there's been many many conventions about it, most held in Brussels, about 10km from my school, later a 3 min walk from work.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 15:57 Post subject:
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| Frostkiss wrote: | In May I had to be at the Belgian Embassy to pick up my criminal records, aswell as to apply for my "European Passport", since I'm no longer in the citizin-files, but legally had to vote. You see, in Belgium you HAVE to vote, or you get a penalty. That vote included a referendum for the first draft for the European const. I am aware it's there, but by no means we have a European Constitution yet.
They've been talking about this since I was 12. At first Belgium didn't even make the cut, and the currency would be the ECU, then it was Florijn (from the first dutch currency). This isn't something that popped up 3 years ago, there's been many many conventions about it, most held in Brussels, about 10km from my school, later a 3 min walk from work. |
| WheresNWS wrote: | | You don't even know they've drafted a constitution??? |
Nice try, but I clearly said it was drafted. I said it's your new constitution but never implied it was ratified. You just learned about it right now which is very, very sad. Poor Europeans. 
BTW, the current constitution is near ratification. It has gone through many revisions but is now considered close. poor ignorant frosty.
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 16:12 Post subject:
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| WheresNWS wrote: | You don't even know they've drafted a constitution???
Nice try, but I clearly said it was drafted. I said it's your new constitution but never implied it was ratified. You just learned about it right now which is very, very sad. Poor Europeans.
BTW, the current constitution is near ratification. It has gone through many revisions but is now considered close. poor ignorant frosty. |
You clearly said "drafted" after I asked you which European constitution you were referring to. I have *not* learned about it right now, I voted the referendum in May, if I didn't, I'd be paying quite the penalty right now.
Leaders of 25 EU countries came together in October for the revision. On dec 13 they will be presented in Brussels again. They hope to achieve agreement, to get the constitution in effect at the end of 2004.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 16:14 Post subject:
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| Frostkiss wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: | | You don't even know they've drafted a constitution??? |
Nice try, but I clearly said it was drafted. I said it's your new constitution but never implied it was ratified. You just learned about it right now which is very, very sad. Poor Europeans. :(
BTW, the current constitution is near ratification. It has gone through many revisions but is now considered close. poor ignorant frosty. :( |
You clearly said "drafted" after I asked you which European constitution you were referring to. I have *not* learned about it right now, I voted the referendum in May, if I didn't, I'd be paying quite the penalty right now.
Leaders of 25 EU countries came together in October for the revision. On dec 13 they will be presented in Brussels again. They hope to achieve agreement, to get the constitution in effect at the end of 2004.[/quote]
There's only one EU constitution. Asking which means you haven't heard of it. I figured they would at least tell you guys about the impending takeover.
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 16:17 Post subject:
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NWS give it up. I'm feeling sorry for you man.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 16:18 Post subject:
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And btw, I mentioned the follow before you asked "And Sir, what European constitution?" (Note the "what", not "which")...
| Quote: | | You have a constitution in the works that will supercede |
| Quote: | | When your constitution goes into effect, you cede all national rule to a central government which will control your schools, laws, financial systems, etc... |
The current draft is considered "close," so it's probably pretty much what your soon-to-be masters will useto keep you down.
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 16:20 Post subject:
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| WheresNWS wrote: |
There's only one EU constitution. Asking which means you haven't heard of it. I figured they would at least tell you guys about the impending takeover. |
Do you read what other people say, or are you just waiting to get a word in again? There is no European constitution. There's a draft, that has been revised already in october. It's not closed, it's not even voted on yet. You kept referring to our European constitution, when there's only been an official draft. I voted a referendum dude, it cost me 7 long distance calls to be able to do it from Canada.
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 16:22 Post subject:
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| WheresNWS wrote: | | And btw, I mentioned the follow before you asked "And Sir, what European constitution?" (Note the "what", not "which")... |
What, which, whatever ... English is not my first, second or third language. So let me rephrase. Which European constitution sir?
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 16:23 Post subject:
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| Frostkiss wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: |
There's only one EU constitution. Asking which means you haven't heard of it. I figured they would at least tell you guys about the impending takeover. |
Do you read what other people say, or are you just waiting to get a word in again? There is no European constitution. There's a draft, that has been revised already in october. It's not closed, it's not even voted on yet. You kept referring to our European constitution, when there's only been an official draft. I voted a referendum dude, it cost me 7 long distance calls to be able to do it from Canada. |
closed != close.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 16:24 Post subject:
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| Frostkiss wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: | | And btw, I mentioned the follow before you asked "And Sir, what European constitution?" (Note the "what", not "which")... |
What, which, whatever ... English is not my first, second or third language. So let me rephrase. Which European constitution sir? |
There is only one. The most current.
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 16:28 Post subject:
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| WheresNWS wrote: | | Frostkiss wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: | | And btw, I mentioned the follow before you asked "And Sir, what European constitution?" (Note the "what", not "which")... |
What, which, whatever ... English is not my first, second or third language. So let me rephrase. Which European constitution sir? |
There is only one. The most current. |
For you there is ... For inhabitants of Europe there's many. There's been many drafts related to it, many referendums, hell, the first time a European Union was mentioned, is over 50 years ago, by a French minister of Foreign Affairs (Shumann?). Point being: There's no European Constitution.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 16:30 Post subject:
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| Frostkiss wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: | | Frostkiss wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: | | And btw, I mentioned the follow before you asked "And Sir, what European constitution?" (Note the "what", not "which")... |
What, which, whatever ... English is not my first, second or third language. So let me rephrase. Which European constitution sir? |
There is only one. The most current. |
For you there is ... For inhabitants of Europe there's many. There's been many drafts related to it, many referendums, hell, the first time a European Union was mentioned, is over 50 years ago, by a French minister of Foreign Affairs (Shumann?). Point being: There's no European Constitution. |
Yes there is. There have been many drafts, but now there is a "close" final draft. It's your new masters' handbook.
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 16:32 Post subject:
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Okay, we'll leave it at that.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 16:33 Post subject:
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There ya go. Why Europe is weak.
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 16:37 Post subject:
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No, why I have better things to do right now, and discussing something with you, is like discussing something with my grandfather.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 16:41 Post subject:
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| Frostkiss wrote: | | No, why I have better things to do right now, and discussing something with you, is like discussing something with my grandfather. |
I take it your grandfather is a wise man who sees the imminent rapid decline of Europe? Don't get me wrong. I think Europe deserves it. I'm just surprised you're so unaware of it.
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 16:51 Post subject:
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| scrotum wrote: | | Frax wrote: | Everyone has pride in their country's achievements. I don't think i've ever used it in an argument with you on this board ever unless you brought it up first like this one! It's usually to rub it in the noses of the idiot USA bashers like ballsack (scrotum) telling us how great Norway is, except we actually did something worth a shit!  Besides I loved visiting Holland, was my favorite place in Europe, followed closely by Germany. |
If you look back and read through the "Norway at the top of the list "again"" topic, you will see how things developed. Many people from this board could not handle it, and started trashing the U.N, then Europe, then Norway. Mostly 2 people and you know who that is. I then found(and not before) negative points about America and posted it, just like your ol' American buds did with me. so you have them to thank for the "bashing". |
No you little scumbag, I will thank you, and you alone. The whole intent of you starting that thread was to take a shot at the USA. Now you are here begging for mercy and blaming it on everyone else. What a worthless, effeminate, spineless, little c**t you are. You started this account just to bust balls and now you want to act like you are innocent. Look up your first 40 or so posts, all attacks on me or other people. You little p***y, from day one I looked at your account as a annon/attack account and that will never change. Don't get me wrong, I like your attacks, they are fun. But now you want to act all dignified like thats not what you are about. Lying scumbag.
| scrotum wrote: | | Kbarr wrote: | | Celestra wrote: |
And the first person who says that "if we hadn't come rescued you guys in WW-whatever you would have been speaking German and have German culture whine whine blah blah " needs to get slapped in the face with at least 10 dozen dead stinking horses. I curse you in advance and hope you and all your offspring die in a f*****g fire. |
You know, after giving it a little thought. You might have ended up speaking japanese.
The germans might have cut europe up a little, and gave the japs Holland.
You never never can tell, them germans were so crafty. Shit, look at all the great meats they cook.
But that takes us right back to the main thing, the most important thing.
The Mighty US of A, saved europe's collective ass!!!!!!
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This is one of the retards that cant see the word "Europe" and leave the word "U.S + saved" out of it. |
Well actually scumbag that was meant specifically for Celestra as a joke.
But now that you are here, I will say again just for you. Your socialist little ass would not be there to take shots at the USA, if the USA didn't save you.
You ungrateful little scumbag.
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 16:58 Post subject:
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I loved the Captain America pic lol. It was funny.
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 11/24/03 - 17:09 Post subject:
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US didn't become involved until Pearl Harbour and Japan invading the hell out of China, where the US had oil contracts.
Their indirect involvement was delivering weapons through the war.
On the other hand the allied forces were pushing Rommel back all the way in Africa, making a slight progress in Europe at the same time. If it wasn't for the states entering the war, ending it swift, most of Europe would been destructed, but I doubt if anyone can say what the outcome would have been. Anything could of happened.
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Posted: 11/25/03 - 07:26 Post subject:
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HI SWEETY
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Posted: 11/25/03 - 07:41 Post subject:
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| Frostkiss wrote: | US didn't become involved until Pearl Harbour and Japan invading the hell out of China, where the US had oil contracts.
Their indirect involvement was delivering weapons through the war.
On the other hand the allied forces were pushing Rommel back all the way in Africa, making a slight progress in Europe at the same time. If it wasn't for the states entering the war, ending it swift, most of Europe would been destructed, but I doubt if anyone can say what the outcome would have been. Anything could of happened. |
what the f**k?!!!
are you f*****g stupid to add "oil contracts"?
what kind of shit is that as a reason why the US joined the war?
As to your reasons or belief that Europe would have rallied against the germans..you're f*****g full of shit if you believe that. I think you'd better go back and do some reading on your history. Seriously.
I'm not going to bother picking apart your shittyass post on your weakassed arguements, but know that you are so deluded, it's amazing.
I think you'd better look up Britain's assesment, and the Russian's assesment of their views on how the war was going. Don't bother looking for the French side, they don't have one.
Stupid arrogant europeans. While you may resent the US, this post has nothing to do with just the US, as it involved the whole world.
..!.. o.o ..!..
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Posted: 11/25/03 - 10:05 Post subject:
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Why resent? Japan decided to invade China to no end, and "boycot" their economy when it came to oil export, the states being a quite important client. They also put some sort of a steel barricade on Japan, to limit their potential.
Why does this make you mad? I honestly don't see the point. America's direct involvement was the best that could have happened in WWII. When it starts to hurt your economy/country, you take a stand, and that is exactly what they did.
Then they dropped some bombs on Pearl Harbour, and US declared war. I know there's many reasons for a country to declare war, but why does it p**s you off this much when its's an economical?
Maybe you should read up on your history
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Posted: 11/25/03 - 10:10 Post subject:
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| Frostkiss wrote: | Why resent? Japan decided to invade China to no end, and "boycot" their economy when it came to oil export, the states being a quite important client. Why does this make you mad? I honestly don't see the point. America's direct involvement was the best that could have happened in WWII. When it starts to hurt your economy/country, you take a stand, and that is exactly what they did.
Maybe you should read up on your history |
AH! Paco got owned!!!!
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Posted: 11/25/03 - 10:22 Post subject:
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| Maelstrom wrote: | | Frostkiss wrote: | Why resent? Japan decided to invade China to no end, and "boycot" their economy when it came to oil export, the states being a quite important client. Why does this make you mad? I honestly don't see the point. America's direct involvement was the best that could have happened in WWII. When it starts to hurt your economy/country, you take a stand, and that is exactly what they did.
Maybe you should read up on your history |
AH! Paco got owned!!!! |
stfu frenchie f****t
I did not get owned, dickhole.
America came into the war directly as a result of Japan attacking PH, not for oil. f*****g idiots.
If we really wanted oil..we'd have kept more land we took during the war. Land some of the worthless countries who can't hold/defend their own shit.
Hel, so narrowminded and hypercritical...
so wrong
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Posted: 11/25/03 - 10:24 Post subject:
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| Paco wrote: | | Maelstrom wrote: | | Frostkiss wrote: | Why resent? Japan decided to invade China to no end, and "boycot" their economy when it came to oil export, the states being a quite important client. Why does this make you mad? I honestly don't see the point. America's direct involvement was the best that could have happened in WWII. When it starts to hurt your economy/country, you take a stand, and that is exactly what they did.
Maybe you should read up on your history |
AH! Paco got owned!!!! |
stfu frenchie f****t
I did not get owned, dickhole.
America came into the war directly as a result of Japan attacking PH, not for oil. f*****g idiots.
If we really wanted oil..we'd have kept more land we took during the war. Land some of the worthless countries who can't hold/defend their own shit.
Hel, so narrowminded and hypercritical...
so wrong |
Bla bla bla you got owned you sad PoS.
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