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Sabathius
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 Posted: 04/25/03 - 16:24 Post subject: Error Question UPDATED PZL HEPL!
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Lately my comp has been having a strange problem.
You ever mess with Horizontal and Vertical hold on a tv? Well...when the screen starts "flipping", that little band goes across the screen... a smallish white or black band, with static sometimes, goes across the screen. Sometimes it stops in the middle and hovers up and down the screen.
I have the same thing on my comp, but it only happens when I play Battlefield 1942, and Planetside.
If it happens once, i'll log out, start up again, and it will still be there. I have to reboot to get it to quit. What is wrong with my puter =(
Specs...
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System Information
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Operating System: Microsoft Windows ME (4.90, Build 3000)
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.60GHz
Memory: 510MB RAM
DirectX Version: 4.09.00.0900
DX Setup Parameters: /PackageInstall
DxDiag Version: 4.08.01.0881 32bit
NVIDIA 64MB DDR GeForce3 Ti 200 (Dell)
Soundblaster Live
pleeeze hepl
i tink mah video card is dying.
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Zuldane
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Posted: 04/25/03 - 16:33 Post subject:
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S.A.R.S. = DEATH
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Paden
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Posted: 04/25/03 - 17:02 Post subject:
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try updateing yer video card drivers and directX
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Sabathius
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Posted: 04/25/03 - 17:09 Post subject:
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Thank you mr obvious
I did that.
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Scrum
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Posted: 04/25/03 - 18:39 Post subject:
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Well obviously it's not a moniter problem, although I would suggest degausing your moniter when you're playing BF1942 or PS
If that doesn't help, then all I can suggest is checking the fan on your video card it might be overheating.
Or go out and buy a new video card all together
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Sabathius
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Posted: 04/25/03 - 21:11 Post subject:
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thx, i'll check that.
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Tiluvas
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Posted: 04/25/03 - 21:28 Post subject:
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have you tried playing the games with a different resolution/refresh rate?
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sinrakin
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Posted: 04/25/03 - 22:18 Post subject:
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Overheating video card sounds like the most likely thing. Rebooting might just be giving it a chance to cool off, and those games might be the main thing that stresses it hard enough to heat up. You live in Texas, right, so I assume the ambient temp is pretty hot anyway. Try opening up the case and pointing a fan in there and see if it changes it. Or underclock the video card a little if that's possible.
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Docter
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Posted: 04/25/03 - 23:05 Post subject:
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As strange as this may sound, have you put any new electronic equipment close to your monitor, sometimes it will get interference from that. Or try playing without the tinfoil hat on. 
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 04/26/03 - 03:38 Post subject:
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Try playing with a gun to your head, and only pull the trigger when the error occurs.
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Natalie
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Posted: 04/26/03 - 03:50 Post subject:
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I had this problem a while back...I went at it for a while as did friends of mine. Nothing any of us tried worked at all. Had to buy a new monitor 
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Minion
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Posted: 04/26/03 - 04:52 Post subject:
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Despite the fact that since you can solve the problem with rebooting, odds are it's not a monitor problem, I still think it is.
If your video card were overheating odds are either the application would just crash or it would lock up.
I dunno about you but most people keep their old video cards and shit after they replace them. If you have one you may want to try swapping it out and testing it. Or borrow one from someone else. If the problem goes away then you can pretty much garuntee that it is the card. Otherwise take your box over to someone elses house and plug it into their monitor and see if it goes away.
It might seem like a pain in the ass but it's a f**k of a lot more accurate than posting on realpoor and letting us take guesses as to what the problem is.
BTW: The fact that people even use Windows ME is almost as pathetic as designing a website with Times New Roman font.
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Tempors
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Posted: 04/26/03 - 05:18 Post subject:
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person above who told you about video card overheating, had it right.....
NVIDIA 64MB DDR GeForce3 Ti 200 (Dell)
( call dell and ask for replacement. Known problem. Mostly likey fan on card is dead. Those models had tiny crappy made in china fan)
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Paco
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Posted: 04/26/03 - 09:04 Post subject:
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Sabathius
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Posted: 04/26/03 - 20:03 Post subject:
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well, all the fans in my computer are running, even tho there isn't one on the video card. There's a little asstastic heatsink tho.
Guess i'll call Dell like I should. =p
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Tempors
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Posted: 04/27/03 - 06:59 Post subject:
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| Sabathius wrote: | well, all the fans in my computer are running, even tho there isn't one on the video card. There's a little asstastic heatsink tho.
Guess i'll call Dell like I should. =p |
calling them, and gettig rma# and sending it back is good idea 
I wouldn't tell them the problem tho. Just say no video. Friend put in another card, and it works fine. You could get some moron tech person, who'll have you f*****g around with shit for hours.
( reinstall drivers, reinstall OS, etc.......) In the end, the card is bad, and you'll get RMA # anyway.
That model had this stupid little cheap fan, some had no fan at all. Just black heat sink.
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wellspoken
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Posted: 04/27/03 - 07:16 Post subject: Re: Error Question
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| Sabathius wrote: | | What is wrong with my puter =( |
| Sabathius wrote: | Operating System: Microsoft Windows ME (4.90, Build 3000)
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windows me = packaged virus with microsoft stamped on it.
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Sabathius
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Posted: 04/27/03 - 07:28 Post subject:
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never had any problems with ME whatsoever.
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Tempors
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Posted: 04/27/03 - 07:41 Post subject:
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besides Windows. ME is worse product MS has ever sold the public.
Has nothing to do with the problem you are having tho.
Running Win98SE or XP would be 100* better.
No money, copy it. Have money buy it.
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Sabathius
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Posted: 04/27/03 - 08:50 Post subject:
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Whats so bad about ME.
I've been running it for about 2 years now and have NEVER had any kind of windows problems.
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Sabathius
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Posted: 04/27/03 - 16:34 Post subject:
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Well, Dell says it's one of 4 things...
1. The Monitor. I tried my girls on it and it did the same thing....thats not it.
2. The video card. I reseated it and it still does it. If it is the video card, i need a new one...
3. Format/Reinstall Windows. If this is the case...i am fuxedered. I don't have an additional hard drive to store my valuable files. I don't have a cd burner. I don't even really know how to format/reload.
4. The motherboard has a bad slot. Said it's probably not that tho.
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Tempors
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Posted: 04/27/03 - 18:29 Post subject:
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read my psot above
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Posted: 04/27/03 - 19:04 Post subject:
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Um, put valuable files on a different partition?
If you've only got one partition, then I feel sorry for you and mourn for your data.
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Sabathius
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Posted: 04/27/03 - 19:06 Post subject:
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| Sabathius wrote: |
3. Format/Reinstall Windows. If this is the case...i am fuxedered. I don't have an additional hard drive to store my valuable files. I don't have a cd burner. I don't even really know how to format/reload.
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I DONT f*****g KNOW HOW TO PARTITION, RELOAD ETC.... KTHXEATSHIT
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sinrakin
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Posted: 04/27/03 - 19:31 Post subject:
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I just always have two disks in my system. When I install a new OS, I always combine it with a new disk. If a new OS is out, odds are I'm needing a bigger drive anyway. So I make my old boot disk the secondary drive, and install my new OS on the new disk. That way I can always copy files over, and if I'm really desperate for something that I forgot to convert or whatever, I can boot from the old disk if I have to.
I throw away the old, old disk. Odds are if there are still files on it that I haven't copied in the lifetime of my current disk, I don't need them.
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wellspoken
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Posted: 04/27/03 - 22:41 Post subject:
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Sab, boot your system into bios..if it does the same shit there, that tells you that its the video card.
for dell system, tap F2 on startup - that should get u in bios
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Sabathius
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Posted: 04/28/03 - 07:18 Post subject:
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Guys...it doesn't even do it in Windows... it ONLY does it in Battlefield 1942, and only after the comp has been on for awhile. If i quit BF1942 while the screen is jumping and get back to windows... it looks fine...until I start the game again.
Also... whenever I install something new, when I reboot, i get a message saying
Windows could not upgrade the file %1 %2 or something close to that. Windows website traced that problem to the wininit.exe file, and said to delete that. So I did, windows runs fine, except for a pause that says wininit.exe can't be found, windows will not load.... then windows loads.
I don't know if that has anything to do with it.
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Tempors
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Posted: 04/28/03 - 07:24 Post subject:
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| wellspoken wrote: | Sab, boot your system into bios..if it does the same shit there, that tells you that its the video card.
for dell system, tap F2 on startup - that should get u in bios |
That isn't going to do shit.
Sure the f**k isn't going to tell you it's video card.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 04/28/03 - 08:10 Post subject:
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The other way to test overheating, if you can't just open it up and blow a fan in there, would be run the game until the point where it starts happening. Then just stop the game, and let it sit in Windows for 10 minutes or so and see if it goes away. The card will cool down while it's not running the 3D stuff, although probably not as fast as if you did a reboot. If that works (the problem gets better) it's probably the card overheating. If it doesn't, I'm not sure that it proves it ISN'T the card, since the card could be left in a screwed up mode. Might tell you something though.
Also, Nvidia controls usually have an option to underclock the card or the memory. Not sure about their latest ones, but there used to be an option called "coolbits" or something. If you can find it, try lowering the clock rate as much as you can.
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Posted: 04/28/03 - 08:30 Post subject:
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| Sabathius wrote: | Guys...it doesn't even do it in Windows... it ONLY does it in Battlefield 1942, and only after the comp has been on for awhile. If i quit BF1942 while the screen is jumping and get back to windows... it looks fine...until I start the game again.
Also... whenever I install something new, when I reboot, i get a message saying
Windows could not upgrade the file %1 %2 or something close to that. Windows website traced that problem to the wininit.exe file, and said to delete that. So I did, windows runs fine, except for a pause that says wininit.exe can't be found, windows will not load.... then windows loads.
I don't know if that has anything to do with it. |
Both of those games are windows applications, infact most games are, hence why they use Direct X.
I'm very sure it's not windows, don't bother reformatting. It's a waste of time, especially considering my dog has more technical know-how than you.
You switched monitors and it still happened, you removed your card and reseated it. I think the problem is obvious. Your video card sucks c**k. Either take Sink's advice or take mine and break it into as many pieces as possible and see if you can flush them all down the toilet (if you can't then try the sink) then go buy a better card.
As far as your windows error message, who knows, who cares. I'd say you suggest reformat and repartition your drive, giving windows its own partition but then we have that huge gap between "you" and "people who can use a command prompt or graphical interface" and I don't see that gap being cleared any time soon so in the mean time I think you should just deal with it as it probably has absolutely nothing to do with your current display problem.
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