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Carnican
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 Posted: 04/03/06 - 23:40 Post subject: E-Bay ethics question.
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Heh, first are there any ethics on e-bay? 
Question is this:
Is it common for a seller to just pull an auction in under 48 hours, especially if there are 31 other items in the "same grab bag" of entries?
Of course, 31 of the 32 listings were things I'd buy "new" if I had to, yet the listing I had substantial interest in (as in expressed to the seller "a 5-figure amount") was just pulled as I had top bid. With 48 hours remaining, the bidding was still in a 3-figure amount, and I sat poised for a HUGE surge (seller knew) as the auction was to draw to the end. Item had no reserve.
Greed pulling on their part?
Retaliation worth following on my part?
Ethical?
Or?
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kbarr
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Location: New York, now go fuck off...
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Posted: 04/03/06 - 23:42 Post subject:
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Smart?
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Xieroth
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Posted: 04/03/06 - 23:43 Post subject:
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I'd leave neg feedback but then I hate ebay.
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Carnican
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Posted: 04/03/06 - 23:43 Post subject:
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Possible.
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Carnican
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Posted: 04/03/06 - 23:45 Post subject:
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One just doesn't see a buncha "He pulled my auction" feedbacks tho in anyone's feedback history.
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Okami
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Posted: 04/03/06 - 23:56 Post subject:
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| Carnican wrote: | | One just doesn't see a buncha "He pulled my auction" feedbacks tho in anyone's feedback history. |
You don't get to leave feedback until you actually win.
They are allowed to pull it if they wish, I myself don't if there are bids already on it.
Most likely, it was one of two things.
He didn't set a reserve, and realised it was going too cheap.
Or, someone offered to pay for it outright, and he didn't have a "buy it now" option.
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Mugaaz
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Posted: 04/04/06 - 03:53 Post subject:
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Sucks for you, the seller did nothing but watch out for his own interest as he should. You haven't lost anything or had any form of agreement. You just has a reasonable expectation for something that didn't actually happen. That's life.
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Rennol
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Posted: 04/04/06 - 08:36 Post subject:
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I think there is a penalty for that too.
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Carnican
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Posted: 04/04/06 - 11:34 Post subject:
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I just spoke with the seller.
Local guy kicked a check for $12,500.
I was looking at $14k.
It was worth $25k
You're right.
That's life.
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motherface
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Posted: 04/04/06 - 13:52 Post subject:
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ebay sux, never use it
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sinrakin
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Posted: 04/04/06 - 14:24 Post subject:
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Seems like it's technically against their policy. Doesn't that violate the third bullet in the reserve policy?
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-reserve.html
| Quote: | A seller is not permitted to misuse the Reserve price feature. Misuse includes:
-Stating the reserve price of the item when the item has not been listed using the reserve price feature.
- Stating that the high bidder is obligated to purchase the item even if the reserve price has not been met.
- Canceling bids and ending a listing early because the seller's desired price has not been met to avoid reserve fees. |
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Okami
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Posted: 04/05/06 - 21:23 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | Seems like it's technically against their policy. Doesn't that violate the third bullet in the reserve policy?
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-reserve.html
| Quote: | A seller is not permitted to misuse the Reserve price feature. Misuse includes:
-Stating the reserve price of the item when the item has not been listed using the reserve price feature.
- Stating that the high bidder is obligated to purchase the item even if the reserve price has not been met.
- Canceling bids and ending a listing early because the seller's desired price has not been met to avoid reserve fees. |
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The thirs bullet means that if he has a reserve in place, but it isn't met, he can't cancel it in order to not pay ebay the reserve fees when the auction ends.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 04/05/06 - 21:36 Post subject:
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| Okami wrote: | | sinrakin wrote: | Seems like it's technically against their policy. Doesn't that violate the third bullet in the reserve policy?
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-reserve.html
| Quote: | A seller is not permitted to misuse the Reserve price feature. Misuse includes:
-Stating the reserve price of the item when the item has not been listed using the reserve price feature.
- Stating that the high bidder is obligated to purchase the item even if the reserve price has not been met.
- Canceling bids and ending a listing early because the seller's desired price has not been met to avoid reserve fees. |
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The thirs bullet means that if he has a reserve in place, but it isn't met, he can't cancel it in order to not pay ebay the reserve fees when the auction ends. |
Yeah, I know, but that's what they mean. A better reference is maybe http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/end_early.html (Ending your listing early).
| Quote: | If you cannot complete your listing as planned, you can end your listing before the scheduled date. If there are bids on your item, you can cancel them.
Reasons for ending listings early include:
The item is no longer available for sale.
There was an error in the starting price or reserve amount.
There was an error in the listing.
The item was lost or broken.
Note: Your account will still be charged listing fees (such as the Insertion Fee) if you end your listing early. Consider revising your listing first if there are aspects of it you want to change or improve.
Timing Matters
When there are 12 hours or less remaining and the item has a winning bid, including a reserve met bid, sellers cannot make any changes to the listing, including:
Ending the item early. Sellers may cancel bids, but not end the item unless the item is being sold to the high bidder.
Adding to or changing the item description.
Converting the item to pre-approved bidders.
Note: Canceling bids or making changes to a listing with bids when there are 12 hours or less remaining, can damage the buyer experience and can undermine trust in the marketplace.
To end your listing early
Type your item number into the End My Listing Early form. (You can get this number on your listing View Item Page, on your confirmation email, or on your My eBay page.)
If there are bids on your item, choose between:
a. Cancel bids and end listing early
or
b.Sell item to high bidder(s) and end listing early
If your item has no bids, you can skip this step.
Choose the reason you're ending your listing early.
Your listing will end and will no longer be displayed on eBay. If there were bidders, they will be emailed that their bid will be canceled.
Note: Sellers are not permitted to cancel bids and end listings early in order to avoid selling an item that did not meet the desired sale price. This is considered to be reserve fee circumvention. Although there are legitimate reasons for ending a listing early, abuse of this option will be investigated. |
So even if you don't set a reserve price, they still consider it reserve avoidance if you end early because the bids weren't high enough.
If you sell it through another channel in the meantime, for a higher price, I'm not sure if that falls under "the item is no longer available for sale", or under "the ebay bids weren't high enough so I sold it another way" (which sounds like reserve avoidance).
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