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I'm tossing out my Barbara Streisand and Judy Garland collections to ward off that gay conspiracy you warned us about.
*whew* thanks!
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Posted: 07/15/04 - 10:17 Post subject:
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| Frehya wrote: | I'm tossing out my Barbara Streisand and Judy Garland collections to ward off that gay conspiracy you warned us about.
*whew* thanks! |
I never suggested a conspiracy. Nahualli admitted that it was his goal to do away with marriage altogether because it doesn't accomodate his corrupted lifestyle. I asked him if that goal is shared among all gays in this movement. I don't think there's an organized conspiracy, but liberals tend to be victims of groupthink.
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Posted: 07/15/04 - 11:25 Post subject:
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| Frehya wrote: | I'm tossing out my Barbara Streisand and Judy Garland collections to ward off that gay conspiracy you warned us about.
*whew* thanks! |
~chuckling irl~
Joo r teh funnay !!!
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| Confused wrote: | | Frehya wrote: | I'm tossing out my Barbara Streisand and Judy Garland collections to ward off that gay conspiracy you warned us about.
*whew* thanks! |
I never suggested a conspiracy. Nahualli admitted that it was his goal to do away with marriage altogether because it doesn't accomodate his corrupted lifestyle. I asked him if that goal is shared among all gays in this movement. I don't think there's an organized conspiracy, but liberals tend to be victims of groupthink. |
of course, liberals are the victims of groupthink
i mean, vietnam was always good idea, right? WHAT? ITS NOT? pansy ass liberal.
please, dont make me try and find the articles on vietnam and groupthink within the administration .. just trust me on this one
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Posted: 07/15/04 - 11:40 Post subject:
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| Overon wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Frehya wrote: | I'm tossing out my Barbara Streisand and Judy Garland collections to ward off that gay conspiracy you warned us about.
*whew* thanks! |
I never suggested a conspiracy. Nahualli admitted that it was his goal to do away with marriage altogether because it doesn't accomodate his corrupted lifestyle. I asked him if that goal is shared among all gays in this movement. I don't think there's an organized conspiracy, but liberals tend to be victims of groupthink. |
of course, liberals are the victims of groupthink
i mean, vietnam was always good idea, right? WHAT? ITS NOT? pansy ass liberal.
please, dont make me try and find the articles on vietnam and groupthink within the administration .. just trust me on this one |
Of all the things you would bring up...Why would it be the left's only war?
The war that killed tens of thousands of Americans because they foolishly went in and failed to back it up.
Damn you're stupid.
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the problem wasnt necessarily in the war starting
but the war kept going way .. way after the time to abandon it came
but furthermore, this view lately that liberal is an insult just strengthens groupthink in the conservative community, i really cant see how you can say that liberals are worse with groupthink than conservatives
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| Overon wrote: | the problem wasnt necessarily in the war starting
but the war kept going way .. way after the time to abandon it came
but furthermore, this view lately that liberal is an insult just strengthens groupthink in the conservative community, i really cant see how you can say that liberals are worse with groupthink than conservatives |
Ovaries... please do a bit more research before posting on topics which you obviously have limited knowledge on... Vietnam was A LOT more involved than what you are representing here...
I do, however fail to see why it was brought up... Typical liberal spin .. "Oh I know you are talking about this, but let me bring THIS up instead because it elicits emotional response, even though it is not related in any way shape or form!!!"
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| Overon wrote: | the problem wasnt necessarily in the war starting
but the war kept going way .. way after the time to abandon it came
but furthermore, this view lately that liberal is an insult just strengthens groupthink in the conservative community, i really cant see how you can say that liberals are worse with groupthink than conservatives |
Johnson accellerated the war. Nixon brought it to a close.
Liberalism used to be a good thing when it was the ideology of true classical intellectuals. Unfortunately, during the last century it was usurped by pseudo-intellectual cultural "progressives" who really advocate nothing but cultural decay. When I attack leftists, it is really an attack on the leftist ideology which is astonishingly consistent among liberals. It is groupthink because ideology differs so little among leftists and they seemingly adopt whatever ideological flavor of the month without giving it much thought (rationalization, yes...thought, no). You'll probably notice that the only conservatives on this board disagree with eachother often. I rarely see a leftist disagree with another here, though.
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| Abi wrote: | | Overon wrote: | the problem wasnt necessarily in the war starting
but the war kept going way .. way after the time to abandon it came
but furthermore, this view lately that liberal is an insult just strengthens groupthink in the conservative community, i really cant see how you can say that liberals are worse with groupthink than conservatives |
Ovaries... please do a bit more research before posting on topics which you obviously have limited knowledge on... Vietnam was A LOT more involved than what you are representing here...
I do, however fail to see why it was brought up... Typical liberal spin .. "Oh I know you are talking about this, but let me bring THIS up instead because it elicits emotional response, even though it is not related in any way shape or form!!!" |
im simply pointing out groupthinks influence on vietnam and its continuation long after it should have been abandoned
groupthink exists everywhere and to think that one party has a monopoly on it is to be simply naive
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| Overon wrote: | | Abi wrote: | | Overon wrote: | the problem wasnt necessarily in the war starting
but the war kept going way .. way after the time to abandon it came
but furthermore, this view lately that liberal is an insult just strengthens groupthink in the conservative community, i really cant see how you can say that liberals are worse with groupthink than conservatives |
Ovaries... please do a bit more research before posting on topics which you obviously have limited knowledge on... Vietnam was A LOT more involved than what you are representing here...
I do, however fail to see why it was brought up... Typical liberal spin .. "Oh I know you are talking about this, but let me bring THIS up instead because it elicits emotional response, even though it is not related in any way shape or form!!!" |
im simply pointing out groupthinks influence on vietnam and its continuation long after it should have been abandoned
groupthink exists everywhere and to think that one party has a monopoly on it is to be simply naive |
You're just supporting my point. Vietnam was the liberals' war. And you say it was continued because of groupthink...and you're saying that liberals aren't victims of groupthink..???......huh?
Anyway, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. By "groupthink", I'm referring to a hive-like ideological mindset which pervades liberalism to an almost unreal extent...Intellectual homogeneity, not a relatively small group's opinion on how to manage foreign relations with a single nation.
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| Confused wrote: | | Overon wrote: | the problem wasnt necessarily in the war starting
but the war kept going way .. way after the time to abandon it came
but furthermore, this view lately that liberal is an insult just strengthens groupthink in the conservative community, i really cant see how you can say that liberals are worse with groupthink than conservatives |
Johnson accellerated the war. Nixon brought it to a close.
Liberalism used to be a good thing when it was the ideology of true classical intellectuals. Unfortunately, during the last century it was usurped by pseudo-intellectual cultural "progressives" who really advocate nothing but cultural decay. When I attack leftists, it is really an attack on the leftist ideology which is astonishingly consistent among liberals. It is groupthink because ideology differs so little among leftists and they seemingly adopt whatever ideological flavor of the month without giving it much thought (rationalization, yes...thought, no). You'll probably notice that the only conservatives on this board disagree with eachother often. I rarely see a leftist disagree with another here, though. |
woah there
all i see from this is stereotyping all leftists .. there are very few leftists on this board and most don't bother posting because they are automatically denied due to usually some "leftist propaganda" reason
all i can simply see, at least on this board, is groupthink at work .. where those who think alike continue to support each other (by arguing yet coming to a similar resolution) while anyone who dissents is immediately ostrasized and ignored
i'm not saying anything about conservatives or liberals as a whole on this matter, just within the board here itself .. id have to agree that a lot of leftists are just dumb blind followers who go out and protest the flavor of the week, more to protest and less to actually do something positive .. but really, you dont think there are a lot of conservatives like that? take all of the damn religious zealots who are conservatives because their fathers were, and because their religion tells them its right .. a vast majority of people are their own sheep, whether it be liberal or conservative .. and anyone can believe whatever they want to believe based on where they get their news and what they want to believe rather than whether or not the news is factual (and most of these people don't get their news from very viable sources)
to brand all liberals as many do on this board based on these idiots is to simply fall into groupthink .. as far as ive noticed on the board, the second a liberal idea pops up everyone cries "idiot" and "leftist propaganda" rather than begin to consider anything they say as being even possible for the sake of argument
but you know what? it all drums down to the facts .. and as i said before, news is as factual as we deem it .. and anyone can pull up any news source they want to skew things one way or another .. so the only argument that can really be put into play is that your information is faulty
well anyway ..
groupthink is obviously existant on this board .. and try to think about how it shapes your views and those around you
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Posted: 07/15/04 - 12:34 Post subject:
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| Overon wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Overon wrote: | the problem wasnt necessarily in the war starting
but the war kept going way .. way after the time to abandon it came
but furthermore, this view lately that liberal is an insult just strengthens groupthink in the conservative community, i really cant see how you can say that liberals are worse with groupthink than conservatives |
Johnson accellerated the war. Nixon brought it to a close.
Liberalism used to be a good thing when it was the ideology of true classical intellectuals. Unfortunately, during the last century it was usurped by pseudo-intellectual cultural "progressives" who really advocate nothing but cultural decay. When I attack leftists, it is really an attack on the leftist ideology which is astonishingly consistent among liberals. It is groupthink because ideology differs so little among leftists and they seemingly adopt whatever ideological flavor of the month without giving it much thought (rationalization, yes...thought, no). You'll probably notice that the only conservatives on this board disagree with eachother often. I rarely see a leftist disagree with another here, though. |
woah there
all i see from this is stereotyping all leftists .. there are very few leftists on this board and most don't bother posting because they are automatically denied due to usually some "leftist propaganda" reason
all i can simply see, at least on this board, is groupthink at work .. where those who think alike continue to support each other (by arguing yet coming to a similar resolution) while anyone who dissents is immediately ostrasized and ignored
i'm not saying anything about conservatives or liberals as a whole on this matter, just within the board here itself .. id have to agree that a lot of leftists are just dumb blind followers who go out and protest the flavor of the week, more to protest and less to actually do something positive .. but really, you dont think there are a lot of conservatives like that? take all of the damn religious zealots who are conservatives because their fathers were, and because their religion tells them its right .. a vast majority of people are their own sheep, whether it be liberal or conservative .. and anyone can believe whatever they want to believe based on where they get their news and what they want to believe rather than whether or not the news is factual (and most of these people don't get their news from very viable sources)
to brand all liberals as many do on this board based on these idiots is to simply fall into groupthink .. as far as ive noticed on the board, the second a liberal idea pops up everyone cries "idiot" and "leftist propaganda" rather than begin to consider anything they say as being even possible for the sake of argument
but you know what? it all drums down to the facts .. and as i said before, news is as factual as we deem it .. and anyone can pull up any news source they want to skew things one way or another .. so the only argument that can really be put into play is that your information is faulty
well anyway ..
groupthink is obviously existant on this board .. and try to think about how it shapes your views and those around you |
Shut the f**k up about sterotyping. My claims are accurate and I didn't say ALL liberals (which is *almost* always the kneejerk reaction liberals have to broad, but accurate, generalizations about their consistent intellectual failings). I gave this board as an example (since it is very left-wing) but my claims are factual when extended to the broader liberal "community". Kbarr often says "idiot" because in his old age he has learned to ignore the nonsensical rants of leftists. I'm not so fortunate and feel a need to debunk all of the assinine beliefs held by leftists on this board. Yes, I know it's a sickness.
But isn't it ironic that you just stereotyped the few conservatives on this board as dismissive and unwilling to argue (even thought I'm doing the exact opposite right now). How often does Abi say "Idiot" and how often does Kbarr say "leftist propoganda"? How often to Abi and I disagree (I disagree with him a good 50% of the time) and how often do Vekril and I disagree (80%)? I don't think I've ever seen two leftists on this board take a different position on anything at all. Why? Because of the intellectual homgeneity I was talking about. If you argue one issue with one liberal, chances are the next will have the exact same argument. Take gay marriage for example. Every liberal erroneously says the same thing...that we are denying gays civil rights by disallowing them to marry in the same ****. How many different conservative arguments to the contrary are there, though? I count about a dozen or so.
When leftists actually have an intellectual debate about politics, rather than their typical groupthink-like mutual pascification in order to maintain an "us vs them" attitude, I'll be shocked....SHOCKED I SAY!
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Posted: 07/15/04 - 12:36 Post subject:
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Drudge also said he had a highly placed source that Hillary Clinton was going to be Kerry's running mate.
He's wrong more than he's right thats for sure.
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| Frax wrote: | Drudge also said he had a highly placed source that Hillary Clinton was going to be Kerry's running mate.
He's wrong more than he's right thats for sure. |
He's technically never wrong, because he only reports on what others are reporting. "NY Post says this" and "NY Times says that".
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Please, it is obvious that on this board leftist ideas are immediately dismissed ..
I'm not arguing with you about a leftist point of view, I'm arguing with you about groupthink being across all parties. had it been a leftist point of view, it would probably have been dismissed. and if you believe this board is left wing then i dont know where you think your posting
As for the gay marriage thing, what you see as all liberals being the same, whereas conservatives express different points of view .. what I see is an issue that should clearly be decided that some conservatives who believe that gays should not be married (or perhaps even believe that being gay is a sin) just can't let be .. it is not an issue of government to debate semantics and religious morality of marriage, thus it is not the governments job to deny gay marriages .. im sure there are a few liberals who disagree with this (hell, i cant see how abi is conservative and gay .. but there you have it) ..
perhaps the gay marriage issue should be simply decided, and not a gigantic moral debate .. how many arguments can you really come up with when it all boils down to one simple fact .. the government has no place in restricting peoples freedoms when the morality of these freedoms is so religiously argued over on both ends of the spectrum
as for leftists on this board taking a different position, as ive said .. there are barely enough leftists on this board to even speak
maybe to you my ideas here are that i am just "conforming to leftist beliefs" and falling in to groupthink .. to me all i see is that something so morally in question on both ends should not cause a restriction in citizens freedoms .. im sure many conservatives and liberals both see that
as i see it there are 3 groups on the gay marriage issue
a group that understands this simple idea
a group who just cant stand the idea of gay marriage being an accepted form of union are fighting against it
and a group that would just as well restrict the freedom of people on the other side of the spectrum (take affirmative action for example) and are only fighting for gay marriage because it fits in with their social ideals
but hey .. maybe all liberals are just stupid conforming douches .. i just dont see everything as that black and white
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| Confused wrote: | | Overon wrote: | the problem wasnt necessarily in the war starting
but the war kept going way .. way after the time to abandon it came
but furthermore, this view lately that liberal is an insult just strengthens groupthink in the conservative community, i really cant see how you can say that liberals are worse with groupthink than conservatives |
Johnson accellerated the war. Nixon brought it to a close.
Liberalism used to be a good thing when it was the ideology of true classical intellectuals. Unfortunately, during the last century it was usurped by pseudo-intellectual cultural "progressives" who really advocate nothing but cultural decay. When I attack leftists, it is really an attack on the leftist ideology which is astonishingly consistent among liberals. It is groupthink because ideology differs so little among leftists and they seemingly adopt whatever ideological flavor of the month without giving it much thought (rationalization, yes...thought, no). You'll probably notice that the only conservatives on this board disagree with eachother often. I rarely see a leftist disagree with another here, though. |
that is the biggest load of b******t I've seen you post today, although that isn't saying much.
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| Overon wrote: | | Please, it is obvious that on this board leftist ideas are immediately dismissed .. |
I will dismiss this post because of its ludicrous accusations. Tell me why, if liberals are "dismissed" that political threads always have so many posts?
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| lauren000 wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Overon wrote: | the problem wasnt necessarily in the war starting
but the war kept going way .. way after the time to abandon it came
but furthermore, this view lately that liberal is an insult just strengthens groupthink in the conservative community, i really cant see how you can say that liberals are worse with groupthink than conservatives |
Johnson accellerated the war. Nixon brought it to a close.
Liberalism used to be a good thing when it was the ideology of true classical intellectuals. Unfortunately, during the last century it was usurped by pseudo-intellectual cultural "progressives" who really advocate nothing but cultural decay. When I attack leftists, it is really an attack on the leftist ideology which is astonishingly consistent among liberals. It is groupthink because ideology differs so little among leftists and they seemingly adopt whatever ideological flavor of the month without giving it much thought (rationalization, yes...thought, no). You'll probably notice that the only conservatives on this board disagree with eachother often. I rarely see a leftist disagree with another here, though. |
that is the biggest load of b******t I've seen you post today, although that isn't saying much. |
You cut off your penis.
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Posted: 07/15/04 - 13:25 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Overon wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Overon wrote: | the problem wasnt necessarily in the war starting
but the war kept going way .. way after the time to abandon it came
but furthermore, this view lately that liberal is an insult just strengthens groupthink in the conservative community, i really cant see how you can say that liberals are worse with groupthink than conservatives |
Johnson accellerated the war. Nixon brought it to a close.
Liberalism used to be a good thing when it was the ideology of true classical intellectuals. Unfortunately, during the last century it was usurped by pseudo-intellectual cultural "progressives" who really advocate nothing but cultural decay. When I attack leftists, it is really an attack on the leftist ideology which is astonishingly consistent among liberals. It is groupthink because ideology differs so little among leftists and they seemingly adopt whatever ideological flavor of the month without giving it much thought (rationalization, yes...thought, no). You'll probably notice that the only conservatives on this board disagree with eachother often. I rarely see a leftist disagree with another here, though. |
woah there
all i see from this is stereotyping all leftists .. there are very few leftists on this board and most don't bother posting because they are automatically denied due to usually some "leftist propaganda" reason
all i can simply see, at least on this board, is groupthink at work .. where those who think alike continue to support each other (by arguing yet coming to a similar resolution) while anyone who dissents is immediately ostrasized and ignored
i'm not saying anything about conservatives or liberals as a whole on this matter, just within the board here itself .. id have to agree that a lot of leftists are just dumb blind followers who go out and protest the flavor of the week, more to protest and less to actually do something positive .. but really, you dont think there are a lot of conservatives like that? take all of the damn religious zealots who are conservatives because their fathers were, and because their religion tells them its right .. a vast majority of people are their own sheep, whether it be liberal or conservative .. and anyone can believe whatever they want to believe based on where they get their news and what they want to believe rather than whether or not the news is factual (and most of these people don't get their news from very viable sources)
to brand all liberals as many do on this board based on these idiots is to simply fall into groupthink .. as far as ive noticed on the board, the second a liberal idea pops up everyone cries "idiot" and "leftist propaganda" rather than begin to consider anything they say as being even possible for the sake of argument
but you know what? it all drums down to the facts .. and as i said before, news is as factual as we deem it .. and anyone can pull up any news source they want to skew things one way or another .. so the only argument that can really be put into play is that your information is faulty
well anyway ..
groupthink is obviously existant on this board .. and try to think about how it shapes your views and those around you |
Shut the f**k up about sterotyping. My claims are accurate and I didn't say ALL liberals (which is *almost* always the kneejerk reaction liberals have to broad, but accurate, generalizations about their consistent intellectual failings). I gave this board as an example (since it is very left-wing) but my claims are factual when extended to the broader liberal "community". Kbarr often says "idiot" because in his old age he has learned to ignore the nonsensical rants of leftists. I'm not so fortunate and feel a need to debunk all of the assinine beliefs held by leftists on this board. Yes, I know it's a sickness.
But isn't it ironic that you just stereotyped the few conservatives on this board as dismissive and unwilling to argue (even thought I'm doing the exact opposite right now). How often does Abi say "Idiot" and how often does Kbarr say "leftist propoganda"? How often to Abi and I disagree (I disagree with him a good 50% of the time) and how often do Vekril and I disagree (80%)? I don't think I've ever seen two leftists on this board take a different position on anything at all. Why? Because of the intellectual homgeneity I was talking about. If you argue one issue with one liberal, chances are the next will have the exact same argument. Take gay marriage for example. Every liberal erroneously says the same thing...that we are denying gays civil rights by disallowing them to marry in the same ****. How many different conservative arguments to the contrary are there, though? I count about a dozen or so.
When leftists actually have an intellectual debate about politics, rather than their typical groupthink-like mutual pascification in order to maintain an "us vs them" attitude, I'll be shocked....SHOCKED I SAY! |
are you retarded
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Posted: 07/15/04 - 13:30 Post subject:
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I never suggested a conspiracy. Nahualli admitted that it was his goal to do away with marriage altogether because it doesn't accomodate his corrupted lifestyle. I asked him if that goal is shared among all gays in this movement. |
lol.... this f****r doesn't understand sarcasm.
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Posted: 07/15/04 - 13:31 Post subject:
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| lauren000 wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Overon wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Overon wrote: | the problem wasnt necessarily in the war starting
but the war kept going way .. way after the time to abandon it came
but furthermore, this view lately that liberal is an insult just strengthens groupthink in the conservative community, i really cant see how you can say that liberals are worse with groupthink than conservatives |
Johnson accellerated the war. Nixon brought it to a close.
Liberalism used to be a good thing when it was the ideology of true classical intellectuals. Unfortunately, during the last century it was usurped by pseudo-intellectual cultural "progressives" who really advocate nothing but cultural decay. When I attack leftists, it is really an attack on the leftist ideology which is astonishingly consistent among liberals. It is groupthink because ideology differs so little among leftists and they seemingly adopt whatever ideological flavor of the month without giving it much thought (rationalization, yes...thought, no). You'll probably notice that the only conservatives on this board disagree with eachother often. I rarely see a leftist disagree with another here, though. |
woah there
all i see from this is stereotyping all leftists .. there are very few leftists on this board and most don't bother posting because they are automatically denied due to usually some "leftist propaganda" reason
all i can simply see, at least on this board, is groupthink at work .. where those who think alike continue to support each other (by arguing yet coming to a similar resolution) while anyone who dissents is immediately ostrasized and ignored
i'm not saying anything about conservatives or liberals as a whole on this matter, just within the board here itself .. id have to agree that a lot of leftists are just dumb blind followers who go out and protest the flavor of the week, more to protest and less to actually do something positive .. but really, you dont think there are a lot of conservatives like that? take all of the damn religious zealots who are conservatives because their fathers were, and because their religion tells them its right .. a vast majority of people are their own sheep, whether it be liberal or conservative .. and anyone can believe whatever they want to believe based on where they get their news and what they want to believe rather than whether or not the news is factual (and most of these people don't get their news from very viable sources)
to brand all liberals as many do on this board based on these idiots is to simply fall into groupthink .. as far as ive noticed on the board, the second a liberal idea pops up everyone cries "idiot" and "leftist propaganda" rather than begin to consider anything they say as being even possible for the sake of argument
but you know what? it all drums down to the facts .. and as i said before, news is as factual as we deem it .. and anyone can pull up any news source they want to skew things one way or another .. so the only argument that can really be put into play is that your information is faulty
well anyway ..
groupthink is obviously existant on this board .. and try to think about how it shapes your views and those around you |
Shut the f**k up about sterotyping. My claims are accurate and I didn't say ALL liberals (which is *almost* always the kneejerk reaction liberals have to broad, but accurate, generalizations about their consistent intellectual failings). I gave this board as an example (since it is very left-wing) but my claims are factual when extended to the broader liberal "community". Kbarr often says "idiot" because in his old age he has learned to ignore the nonsensical rants of leftists. I'm not so fortunate and feel a need to debunk all of the assinine beliefs held by leftists on this board. Yes, I know it's a sickness.
But isn't it ironic that you just stereotyped the few conservatives on this board as dismissive and unwilling to argue (even thought I'm doing the exact opposite right now). How often does Abi say "Idiot" and how often does Kbarr say "leftist propoganda"? How often to Abi and I disagree (I disagree with him a good 50% of the time) and how often do Vekril and I disagree (80%)? I don't think I've ever seen two leftists on this board take a different position on anything at all. Why? Because of the intellectual homgeneity I was talking about. If you argue one issue with one liberal, chances are the next will have the exact same argument. Take gay marriage for example. Every liberal erroneously says the same thing...that we are denying gays civil rights by disallowing them to marry in the same ****. How many different conservative arguments to the contrary are there, though? I count about a dozen or so.
When leftists actually have an intellectual debate about politics, rather than their typical groupthink-like mutual pascification in order to maintain an "us vs them" attitude, I'll be shocked....SHOCKED I SAY! |
are you retarded |
This wasn't intended for you. Explaning your situation to you is like trying to exaplin calculus to a roach.
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| Confused wrote: | | lauren000 wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Overon wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Overon wrote: | the problem wasnt necessarily in the war starting
but the war kept going way .. way after the time to abandon it came
but furthermore, this view lately that liberal is an insult just strengthens groupthink in the conservative community, i really cant see how you can say that liberals are worse with groupthink than conservatives |
Johnson accellerated the war. Nixon brought it to a close.
Liberalism used to be a good thing when it was the ideology of true classical intellectuals. Unfortunately, during the last century it was usurped by pseudo-intellectual cultural "progressives" who really advocate nothing but cultural decay. When I attack leftists, it is really an attack on the leftist ideology which is astonishingly consistent among liberals. It is groupthink because ideology differs so little among leftists and they seemingly adopt whatever ideological flavor of the month without giving it much thought (rationalization, yes...thought, no). You'll probably notice that the only conservatives on this board disagree with eachother often. I rarely see a leftist disagree with another here, though. |
woah there
all i see from this is stereotyping all leftists .. there are very few leftists on this board and most don't bother posting because they are automatically denied due to usually some "leftist propaganda" reason
all i can simply see, at least on this board, is groupthink at work .. where those who think alike continue to support each other (by arguing yet coming to a similar resolution) while anyone who dissents is immediately ostrasized and ignored
i'm not saying anything about conservatives or liberals as a whole on this matter, just within the board here itself .. id have to agree that a lot of leftists are just dumb blind followers who go out and protest the flavor of the week, more to protest and less to actually do something positive .. but really, you dont think there are a lot of conservatives like that? take all of the damn religious zealots who are conservatives because their fathers were, and because their religion tells them its right .. a vast majority of people are their own sheep, whether it be liberal or conservative .. and anyone can believe whatever they want to believe based on where they get their news and what they want to believe rather than whether or not the news is factual (and most of these people don't get their news from very viable sources)
to brand all liberals as many do on this board based on these idiots is to simply fall into groupthink .. as far as ive noticed on the board, the second a liberal idea pops up everyone cries "idiot" and "leftist propaganda" rather than begin to consider anything they say as being even possible for the sake of argument
but you know what? it all drums down to the facts .. and as i said before, news is as factual as we deem it .. and anyone can pull up any news source they want to skew things one way or another .. so the only argument that can really be put into play is that your information is faulty
well anyway ..
groupthink is obviously existant on this board .. and try to think about how it shapes your views and those around you |
Shut the f**k up about sterotyping. My claims are accurate and I didn't say ALL liberals (which is *almost* always the kneejerk reaction liberals have to broad, but accurate, generalizations about their consistent intellectual failings). I gave this board as an example (since it is very left-wing) but my claims are factual when extended to the broader liberal "community". Kbarr often says "idiot" because in his old age he has learned to ignore the nonsensical rants of leftists. I'm not so fortunate and feel a need to debunk all of the assinine beliefs held by leftists on this board. Yes, I know it's a sickness.
But isn't it ironic that you just stereotyped the few conservatives on this board as dismissive and unwilling to argue (even thought I'm doing the exact opposite right now). How often does Abi say "Idiot" and how often does Kbarr say "leftist propoganda"? How often to Abi and I disagree (I disagree with him a good 50% of the time) and how often do Vekril and I disagree (80%)? I don't think I've ever seen two leftists on this board take a different position on anything at all. Why? Because of the intellectual homgeneity I was talking about. If you argue one issue with one liberal, chances are the next will have the exact same argument. Take gay marriage for example. Every liberal erroneously says the same thing...that we are denying gays civil rights by disallowing them to marry in the same ****. How many different conservative arguments to the contrary are there, though? I count about a dozen or so.
When leftists actually have an intellectual debate about politics, rather than their typical groupthink-like mutual pascification in order to maintain an "us vs them" attitude, I'll be shocked....SHOCKED I SAY! |
are you retarded |
This wasn't intended for you. Explaning your situation to you is like trying to exaplin calculus to a roach. |
you never took calculus remember? Comp sci retard. The best part was when nobunga caught you in a lie 
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| Confused wrote: | | Overon wrote: | | Please, it is obvious that on this board leftist ideas are immediately dismissed .. |
I will dismiss this post because of its ludicrous accusations. Tell me why, if liberals are "dismissed" that political threads always have so many posts? |
I thogut you said somewhere that conservatives expressed many different opinions.
Oh sorry, I must have been reading wrong.
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| lauren000 wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | lauren000 wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Overon wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Overon wrote: | the problem wasnt necessarily in the war starting
but the war kept going way .. way after the time to abandon it came
but furthermore, this view lately that liberal is an insult just strengthens groupthink in the conservative community, i really cant see how you can say that liberals are worse with groupthink than conservatives |
Johnson accellerated the war. Nixon brought it to a close.
Liberalism used to be a good thing when it was the ideology of true classical intellectuals. Unfortunately, during the last century it was usurped by pseudo-intellectual cultural "progressives" who really advocate nothing but cultural decay. When I attack leftists, it is really an attack on the leftist ideology which is astonishingly consistent among liberals. It is groupthink because ideology differs so little among leftists and they seemingly adopt whatever ideological flavor of the month without giving it much thought (rationalization, yes...thought, no). You'll probably notice that the only conservatives on this board disagree with eachother often. I rarely see a leftist disagree with another here, though. |
woah there
all i see from this is stereotyping all leftists .. there are very few leftists on this board and most don't bother posting because they are automatically denied due to usually some "leftist propaganda" reason
all i can simply see, at least on this board, is groupthink at work .. where those who think alike continue to support each other (by arguing yet coming to a similar resolution) while anyone who dissents is immediately ostrasized and ignored
i'm not saying anything about conservatives or liberals as a whole on this matter, just within the board here itself .. id have to agree that a lot of leftists are just dumb blind followers who go out and protest the flavor of the week, more to protest and less to actually do something positive .. but really, you dont think there are a lot of conservatives like that? take all of the damn religious zealots who are conservatives because their fathers were, and because their religion tells them its right .. a vast majority of people are their own sheep, whether it be liberal or conservative .. and anyone can believe whatever they want to believe based on where they get their news and what they want to believe rather than whether or not the news is factual (and most of these people don't get their news from very viable sources)
to brand all liberals as many do on this board based on these idiots is to simply fall into groupthink .. as far as ive noticed on the board, the second a liberal idea pops up everyone cries "idiot" and "leftist propaganda" rather than begin to consider anything they say as being even possible for the sake of argument
but you know what? it all drums down to the facts .. and as i said before, news is as factual as we deem it .. and anyone can pull up any news source they want to skew things one way or another .. so the only argument that can really be put into play is that your information is faulty
well anyway ..
groupthink is obviously existant on this board .. and try to think about how it shapes your views and those around you |
Shut the f**k up about sterotyping. My claims are accurate and I didn't say ALL liberals (which is *almost* always the kneejerk reaction liberals have to broad, but accurate, generalizations about their consistent intellectual failings). I gave this board as an example (since it is very left-wing) but my claims are factual when extended to the broader liberal "community". Kbarr often says "idiot" because in his old age he has learned to ignore the nonsensical rants of leftists. I'm not so fortunate and feel a need to debunk all of the assinine beliefs held by leftists on this board. Yes, I know it's a sickness.
But isn't it ironic that you just stereotyped the few conservatives on this board as dismissive and unwilling to argue (even thought I'm doing the exact opposite right now). How often does Abi say "Idiot" and how often does Kbarr say "leftist propoganda"? How often to Abi and I disagree (I disagree with him a good 50% of the time) and how often do Vekril and I disagree (80%)? I don't think I've ever seen two leftists on this board take a different position on anything at all. Why? Because of the intellectual homgeneity I was talking about. If you argue one issue with one liberal, chances are the next will have the exact same argument. Take gay marriage for example. Every liberal erroneously says the same thing...that we are denying gays civil rights by disallowing them to marry in the same ****. How many different conservative arguments to the contrary are there, though? I count about a dozen or so.
When leftists actually have an intellectual debate about politics, rather than their typical groupthink-like mutual pascification in order to maintain an "us vs them" attitude, I'll be shocked....SHOCKED I SAY! |
are you retarded |
This wasn't intended for you. Explaning your situation to you is like trying to exaplin calculus to a roach. |
you never took calculus remember? Comp sci retard. The best part was when nobunga caught you in a lie |
lauren you are causing this thread to degrade . . .
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lauren000
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it's true, he didn't know how to do a kim chi square.
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Confused
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Posted: 07/15/04 - 13:50 Post subject:
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| lauren000 wrote: | | you never took calculus remember? Comp sci retard. The best part was when nobunga caught you in a lie |
Uh...I took honors differential equations my first semester in college and a graduate course in "applications of advanced calculus to engineering concepts" in my third semester. My dad taught me calculus when I was in Jr. high.
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