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Banzai
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 Posted: 07/02/04 - 17:59 Post subject: Desperate Measures: Bush scrapes church barrel
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Here is a new low:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/02/bush.churches.reut/index.html
| Quote: | WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President Bush, seeking to mobilize religious conservatives for his reelection campaign, has asked church-going volunteers to turn over church membership directories, campaign officials said on Thursday.
In a move sharply criticized both by religious leaders and civil libertarians, the Bush-Cheney campaign has issued a guide listing about two-dozen "duties" and a series of deadlines for organizing support among conservative church congregations. |
Nice seperation of church and state.
what better audiance than preprogramed followers. Good thing the curches aren't going for it. Pretty much called him on the b******t.
Thought this came at an interesting time, what with all the board invasion and whatnot.
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Confused
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 18:16 Post subject: Re: Desperate Measures: Bush scrapes church barrel
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| Banzai wrote: | | Nice seperation of church and state. |
| Banzai wrote: | what better audiance than preprogramed followers. Good thing the curches aren't going for it. Pretty much called him on the b******t.
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Ironically, the first statement was preprogrammed into you, as you obviously don't even know where it comes from, what it means or how to correctly apply it to a situation.
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Tex
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 18:18 Post subject:
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Bush is now leading Kerry in the polls; sounds like he is really desperate...
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Banzai
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 18:53 Post subject:
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| Tex wrote: | | Bush is now leading Kerry in the polls; sounds like he is really desperate... |
What planet do you live on and are you getting enough oxygen to your brain there?
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Confused
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 18:55 Post subject:
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| Banzai wrote: | | Tex wrote: | | Bush is now leading Kerry in the polls; sounds like he is really desperate... |
What planet do you live on and are you getting enough oxygen to your brain there? |
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/campaign_poll
It's a slight lead, and the public hasn't even taken into consideration the booming economy.
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Banzai
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 19:03 Post subject:
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http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aT1MK3UJG1Wc&refer=top_world_news
| Quote: | Kerry was backed by 45 percent of registered voters and Bush by 44 percent in a nationwide New York Times-CBS News survey taken June 23-27. The same poll found Bush's overall approval rating near a low of 42 percent.
A Wall Street Journal-NBC poll June 25-28 showed Bush leading Kerry 45 percent to 44 percent. The candidates were tied with 48 percent support each in a Battleground 2004 poll sponsored by the George Washington University. All three polls had a margin of error of 3 percentage points. |
thx exaduration
We can do this all day long. I thought Michael Moore played loose with the facts.
You two can got to bed now, it's clearly nap time.
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Luturb
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 19:10 Post subject:
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/yawn
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm
is the only place you ever need to go for poll numbers. It has 2 or 3 showing Bush in the lead, 2 or 3 showing Kerry in the lead, and the rest within the margin of error. Same as it's been for months.
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Banzai
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 19:13 Post subject:
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| Luturb wrote: | /yawn
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm
is the only place you ever need to go for poll numbers. It has 2 or 3 showing Bush in the lead, 2 or 3 showing Kerry in the lead, and the rest within the margin of error. Same as it's been for months. |
Wrong, sorry but the only good place to look for polls is in a strip joint.
Political polls are about as valid as a dead rat in a tampoon factory.
You will find numbers to support whatever you want but it has zero impact on the final outcome of anything. Go back 3 1/2 years to exit polls if you have forgotten already.
acknoledge it or not, this is a desperate move by Bush in reaction to F 9/11. If you don't want to see it that's your blind spot.
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Abi
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Banz you truly do get stupider and stupider by the day ... I guess it's a requirement to be in the Democratic party .. that and the ability to weave your fur into clothing...
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Tolanin
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 19:24 Post subject:
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| Banzai wrote: | | Luturb wrote: | /yawn
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm
is the only place you ever need to go for poll numbers. It has 2 or 3 showing Bush in the lead, 2 or 3 showing Kerry in the lead, and the rest within the margin of error. Same as it's been for months. |
Wrong, sorry but the only good place to look for polls is in a strip joint.
Political polls are about as valid as a dead rat in a tampoon factory.
You will find numbers to support whatever you want but it has zero impact on the final outcome of anything. Go back 3 1/2 years to exit polls if you have forgotten already.
acknoledge it or not, this is a desperate move by Bush in reaction to F 9/11. If you don't want to see it that's your blind spot. |
all i read in your article was 'bush trys to mobilize church goers'.. i mean i might be wrong but i thought political campaigns were about you know... getting votes... so trying to get people to vote for you and organize a stronger suport base would be considered... normal... now if you actually have any evidence that bush like 'tries to buy votes by giving hospitalized retards chocolate bars' then maybe your point about being desperate might be valid... however so far you have proved only that bush is in fact campaigning.
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Banzai
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 19:29 Post subject:
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| Abi wrote: | | Banz you truly do get stupider and stupider by the day ... I guess it's a requirement to be in the Democratic party .. that and the ability to weave your fur into clothing... |
If I felt you have contributed anything original or thoughtful in your posting history I might take offence to that but it turns out you haven't so I don't.
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Banzai
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 19:30 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | | Banzai wrote: | | Luturb wrote: | /yawn
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm
is the only place you ever need to go for poll numbers. It has 2 or 3 showing Bush in the lead, 2 or 3 showing Kerry in the lead, and the rest within the margin of error. Same as it's been for months. |
Wrong, sorry but the only good place to look for polls is in a strip joint.
Political polls are about as valid as a dead rat in a tampoon factory.
You will find numbers to support whatever you want but it has zero impact on the final outcome of anything. Go back 3 1/2 years to exit polls if you have forgotten already.
acknoledge it or not, this is a desperate move by Bush in reaction to F 9/11. If you don't want to see it that's your blind spot. |
all i read in your article was 'bush trys to mobilize church goers'.. i mean i might be wrong but i thought political campaigns were about you know... getting votes... so trying to get people to vote for you and organize a stronger suport base would be considered... normal... now if you actually have any evidence that bush like 'tries to buy votes by giving hospitalized retards chocolate bars' then maybe your point about being desperate might be valid... however so far you have proved only that bush is in fact campaigning. |
Like I said, if you don't see the connection as this as a counter to F9/11 then ok.
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Confused
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 19:41 Post subject:
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| Banzai wrote: | | Luturb wrote: | /yawn
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm
is the only place you ever need to go for poll numbers. It has 2 or 3 showing Bush in the lead, 2 or 3 showing Kerry in the lead, and the rest within the margin of error. Same as it's been for months. |
Wrong, sorry but the only good place to look for polls is in a strip joint.
Political polls are about as valid as a dead rat in a tampoon factory.
You will find numbers to support whatever you want but it has zero impact on the final outcome of anything. Go back 3 1/2 years to exit polls if you have forgotten already.
acknoledge it or not, this is a desperate move by Bush in reaction to F 9/11. If you don't want to see it that's your blind spot. |
Someone's getting nervous!
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Tolanin
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 19:43 Post subject:
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| Banzai wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | | Banzai wrote: | | Luturb wrote: | /yawn
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm
is the only place you ever need to go for poll numbers. It has 2 or 3 showing Bush in the lead, 2 or 3 showing Kerry in the lead, and the rest within the margin of error. Same as it's been for months. |
Wrong, sorry but the only good place to look for polls is in a strip joint.
Political polls are about as valid as a dead rat in a tampoon factory.
You will find numbers to support whatever you want but it has zero impact on the final outcome of anything. Go back 3 1/2 years to exit polls if you have forgotten already.
acknoledge it or not, this is a desperate move by Bush in reaction to F 9/11. If you don't want to see it that's your blind spot. |
all i read in your article was 'bush trys to mobilize church goers'.. i mean i might be wrong but i thought political campaigns were about you know... getting votes... so trying to get people to vote for you and organize a stronger suport base would be considered... normal... now if you actually have any evidence that bush like 'tries to buy votes by giving hospitalized retards chocolate bars' then maybe your point about being desperate might be valid... however so far you have proved only that bush is in fact campaigning. |
Like I said, if you don't see the connection as this as a counter to F9/11 then ok. |
It really doesnt have any exact counter to f911 but expecting bush not to try to counter the effects of a damaging movie is stupid, so basically i see, that yes the time frame suggests that their might be some corrilation but the church goers are always a republican vote stronghold so trying to ensure their suport is not abnormal and trying to make sure people realize your not a bad person is not desperate, even if bush had a 10 pt lead in all polls he would be dumb not to try to ensure that a negative movie with widespread viewing like f911 was controlled to make sure he didnt lose his lead... so i see your point that this is possibly a reaction to the movie but i dont see any sort of desperate attempt or whatever you claim to see, you act like bush is falling in all the polls and losing horibbly and the election is tomorow, not like its 5 months from now and bush is gaining ground again... if you see every campaign move as a desperate thing then your an idiot and if you consider the president desperate simply because he can not afford to ignore major attacks against his integrity in something so widely viewed as f911 then your also dumb... desperation and smart tactical moves to ensure a situation and the effect of something does not become worse than it needs to be are very different and you provide no evidence that your pov is the right one.
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 19:54 Post subject:
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It is desperate because it is harping on people sense of spirituality over there desire to be entertained.
They are both theater, let's face it.
Getting asked to register at mall has a totally different connotation than someone who solicits your spiritual advisor for your personal information.
You might not agree with me and that’s fine but personally I find that creepy and a little desperate.
You don't see it, alright. I do.
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Confused
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 20:11 Post subject:
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| Banzai wrote: | It is desperate because it is harping on people sense of spirituality over there desire to be entertained.
They are both theater, let's face it.
Getting asked to register at mall has a totally different connotation than someone who solicits your spiritual advisor for your personal information.
You might not agree with me and that’s fine but personally I find that creepy and a little desperate.
You don't see it, alright. I do. |
Wait...Liberals hated Reagan because he was an actor. Now liberals say that they're SUPPOSED to be actors? Damn guys...make up your minds.
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Akronn
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 20:13 Post subject:
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Well I still think conservative groups contributing to Nader is funnier, but Bush asking for church directories is good for a laugh.
I thought he would've done this already, though. These people are his bread and butter. They don't think for themselves!
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Tolanin
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 20:28 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | Well I still think conservative groups contributing to Nader is funnier, but Bush asking for church directories is good for a laugh.
I thought he would've done this already, though. These people are his bread and butter. They don't think for themselves! |
its not really that people dont think for themselves alot of them just dont devote the time to it to actually know whats going on and make their own opinions, on both sides... thinking for yourself after all doesnt mean the answer you think of is the correct one if there is a correct one.
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Bait Masterson
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 20:38 Post subject:
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Im Voting Bush
Michael Moore said he is moving to france or Germany if Bush gets reelected, thats more than enough reason for me to vote for bush.
Plus we are at a juncture in American history where the last thing we need is a f*****g p***y like Kerry in office.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 20:40 Post subject:
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| Bait Masterson wrote: | Im Voting Bush
Michael Moore said he is moving to france or Germany if Bush gets reelected, thats more than enough reason for me to vote for bush. |
if we repeal whatever act / amendment limited terms to 2 consecutive 4 year terms you think mikey will kill himself?
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 20:50 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Banzai wrote: | | Tex wrote: | | Bush is now leading Kerry in the polls; sounds like he is really desperate... |
What planet do you live on and are you getting enough oxygen to your brain there? |
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/campaign_poll
It's a slight lead, and the public hasn't even taken into consideration the booming economy. |
Booming economy... funniest thing Ive read all year... damn I love realpoor
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 21:01 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | | Bait Masterson wrote: | Im Voting Bush
Michael Moore said he is moving to france or Germany if Bush gets reelected, thats more than enough reason for me to vote for bush. |
if we repeal whatever act / amendment limited terms to 2 consecutive 4 year terms you think mikey will kill himself? |
I think exil to france is a fate worse than death
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Tolanin
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 21:06 Post subject:
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| Plat4PoP wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Banzai wrote: | | Tex wrote: | | Bush is now leading Kerry in the polls; sounds like he is really desperate... |
What planet do you live on and are you getting enough oxygen to your brain there? |
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/campaign_poll
It's a slight lead, and the public hasn't even taken into consideration the booming economy. |
Booming economy... funniest thing Ive read all year... damn I love realpoor |
well my stocks are up again so i dont know about you but the economy seems better to me, generally i consider it good when i see large gains.
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Akronn
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 21:09 Post subject:
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040702/us_nm/economy_dc
| Quote: | | In a separate report on Friday that implied a leveling off in the pace of the economy, the Commerce Department said new orders at U.S. factories slipped 0.3 percent in May on top of a 1.1 percent decline in April. |
| Quote: | | There were some signs of broader weakness in the report, including a decrease in the average workweek to 33.6 hours from 33.8 in May, the shortest since a matching level in December. |
| Quote: | | The manufacturing sector lost 11,000 jobs, a reversal after four straight months of jobs growth that came after years of decline |
http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/02/news/economy/jobless_june/index.htm
| Quote: | | Average hourly wages rose 2 cents, or 0.1 percent, to a seasonally-adjusted $15.65. But that was well below the 0.3 percent gain that economists had forecast. |
| Quote: | | The construction industry posted no job gains and the retail sector added a modest 7,000 jobs, by far the weakest month for an industry that's added 184,000 jobs so far this year. |
| Quote: | | The services sector -- the biggest component of the world's largest economy -- added 122,000 workers but that was the second-weakest gain of the year. |
| Quote: | | "The economy is clearly cooling or downshifting somewhat," said Sung Won Sohn, chief economist at Wells Fargo Banks. |
| Quote: | | "If we got a second successive weak number in early July, then I would really worry if I was in the White House," he said. "We only see three more reports before the election." |
Heh, no boom.
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Tolanin
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considering alot of companies probably feared really increased gas prices its not surprising, for awhile there people were forecasting prices as high as like 3 bucks, then we went down like 20 cents and seem to be stayin there... so i am no economist but it would seem like a good reason for hiring to slow down to me if they were afraid of dramatically increased shipping costs... but now that it looks like its stablized i think we will see a return to faster growth.
When cost goes up most places dont like to pass it all along to the consumer unless they have to, which usually means cutting jobs and hiring to a lower lvl closer to the bare min needed for operation and not ordering as much new spending.. if costs for lumber and steel are up from shipping construction growth slows too, so theres more explanations to this than simply 'we are done with economic boom lvl growth'.. economists are a dime a dozen, it aint hard to find one who is saying what you want to hear.
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 22:07 Post subject:
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| Plat4PoP wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Banzai wrote: | | Tex wrote: | | Bush is now leading Kerry in the polls; sounds like he is really desperate... |
What planet do you live on and are you getting enough oxygen to your brain there? |
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/campaign_poll
It's a slight lead, and the public hasn't even taken into consideration the booming economy. |
Booming economy... funniest thing Ive read all year... damn I love realpoor |
4.6% annual growth isn't a boom? The economy has sustained a growth rate greater than the .com boom for over a year now.
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Posted: 07/02/04 - 22:08 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040702/us_nm/economy_dc
| Quote: | | In a separate report on Friday that implied a leveling off in the pace of the economy, the Commerce Department said new orders at U.S. factories slipped 0.3 percent in May on top of a 1.1 percent decline in April. |
| Quote: | | There were some signs of broader weakness in the report, including a decrease in the average workweek to 33.6 hours from 33.8 in May, the shortest since a matching level in December. |
| Quote: | | The manufacturing sector lost 11,000 jobs, a reversal after four straight months of jobs growth that came after years of decline |
http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/02/news/economy/jobless_june/index.htm
| Quote: | | Average hourly wages rose 2 cents, or 0.1 percent, to a seasonally-adjusted $15.65. But that was well below the 0.3 percent gain that economists had forecast. |
| Quote: | | The construction industry posted no job gains and the retail sector added a modest 7,000 jobs, by far the weakest month for an industry that's added 184,000 jobs so far this year. |
| Quote: | | The services sector -- the biggest component of the world's largest economy -- added 122,000 workers but that was the second-weakest gain of the year. |
| Quote: | | "The economy is clearly cooling or downshifting somewhat," said Sung Won Sohn, chief economist at Wells Fargo Banks. |
| Quote: | | "If we got a second successive weak number in early July, then I would really worry if I was in the White House," he said. "We only see three more reports before the election." |
Heh, no boom. |
Poor Akronn. You've been so consistently wrong in every argument against me that you now even fear to address me directly. When will you learn?
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Every politician hits up churches and religious groups for money, but because Bush does it on a slow news day.. OMG FRONT PAGE!
I think more than a few of you need to stop hitting the drugs so much.
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Posted: 07/03/04 - 00:52 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | Every politician hits up churches and religious groups for money, but because Bush does it on a slow news day.. OMG FRONT PAGE!
I think more than a few of you need to stop hitting the drugs so much. |
For real :/
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Akronn
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Posted: 07/03/04 - 01:21 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Poor Akronn. You've been so consistently wrong in every argument against me that you now even fear to address me directly. When will you learn? |
I addressed the issue, why would I waste time addressing you? I can actually debate without insulting the opponent. Try it some time!
The economy isn't booming, and I provided numbers hot off the press. If they chap you, that's too damn bad. What Bush fails to realize is that tax cuts and/or low rates only go so far. He's going to have to start putting together some job creation (not destruction!) policies. Unemployment hasn't been dented all year, and he's running out of time. That's what the average American cares about. Your higher productivity is only lining the pockets of Bush's 'base.'
You'd figure he'd ask his father why he only lasted four years, but I guess not.
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