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Occulis
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 Posted: 12/17/03 - 21:56 Post subject: Designing a guild applicant questionnaire
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I am trying to figure out some basic questions to put in a guild applicant questionnaire. The intent is to weed out the obvious chodes and shitfucks.
I'm thinking really direct "Are you a piece of shit loot w***e thief?"-type questions are pointless, for obvious reasons.
Rather I'm looking at questions like this:
* Do you have children? How many?
* Are you an only child?
* How many years old are you?
* What is your birthdate? (extremely lazy liars won't match up the age and the DoB)
* Interpret this picture: (show link to a Rorschach print)
I don't want to create one so extreme as those Ebonlore guys, but I don't want to make a simple one which really tells you nothing. Ideally it would be completed in about 15 minutes or less.
Any questions you would like to see your guildmates answer?
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khrath
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Posted: 12/17/03 - 22:11 Post subject:
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Are you a shit f**k? [yes] or [no]
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GruntingCod
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Posted: 12/17/03 - 22:25 Post subject: Re: Designing a guild applicant questionnaire
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| Occulis wrote: | I am trying to figure out some basic questions to put in a guild applicant questionnaire. The intent is to weed out the obvious chodes and shitfucks.
I'm thinking really direct "Are you a piece of shit loot w***e thief?"-type questions are pointless, for obvious reasons.
Rather I'm looking at questions like this:
* Do you have children? How many?
* Are you an only child?
* How many years old are you?
* What is your birthdate? (extremely lazy liars won't match up the age and the DoB)
* Interpret this picture: (show link to a Rorschach print)
I don't want to create one so extreme as those Ebonlore guys, but I don't want to make a simple one which really tells you nothing. Ideally it would be completed in about 15 minutes or less.
Any questions you would like to see your guildmates answer?
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The only problem is people can b******t all of tha.
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GruntingCod
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Posted: 12/17/03 - 22:26 Post subject:
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| Khrath wrote: | | Are you a shit f**k? [yes] or [no] |
[Yes]
Haha, you didn't know who I was when I was talking to you earlyer on eq, eh? hahahah
You tell Khrath: Hi friend!
5 minutes pass
Khrath tells you: hi
Nothing else is ever said!
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Occulis
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Posted: 12/17/03 - 22:28 Post subject: Re: Designing a guild applicant questionnaire
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| GruntingCod wrote: | | The only problem is people can b******t all of tha. |
It's not meant to be bulletproof or perfect, though.
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GruntingCod
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Posted: 12/17/03 - 22:35 Post subject: Re: Designing a guild applicant questionnaire
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| Occulis wrote: | | I don't want to create one so extreme as those Ebonlore guys |
You know you really do. Ill be the cool guy that makes signatures for everyone to make us look cult like. And you can be the horrific Guild Leader that forces people to spend money they don't have in order to stay in the guild! Khrath can be one of the IC that threatens/hints twoards kicking/not inviting someone becasue they spent more time on their application than needed.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 12/17/03 - 22:38 Post subject:
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for all the effort ebonlore puts into recruiting they sure do suck.
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Occulis
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Posted: 12/17/03 - 22:40 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | | for all the effort ebonlore puts into recruiting they sure do suck. |
Isn't it weird?
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GruntingCod
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Posted: 12/17/03 - 22:47 Post subject:
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It sure is...
Actually its obvious why they are so s****y. Being so anal about recrution along with recruting so far before the game is already out, is why they are so s****y. Also their pasts, and their enemys haunt to try to be better than they really are.
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Occulis
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Posted: 12/17/03 - 22:56 Post subject:
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I like the idea that they kick people out for not meeting /some/ requirements, but be realistic. Even NASA doesn't expect machinery, much less people, to operate at 100% uptime.
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GruntingCod
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Posted: 12/17/03 - 23:02 Post subject:
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Well obviously NASA doesn't knowning their most recent rocket blew up and shit.
I didn't got for like 3 meetings before the one that I went to that I snaped in.
When I said I was leaving out of the channel, people are like PHUU FINNALY. But this isn't a PHUU FINNALY that you guys would say, becasue I never really posted there. Their reasoning for saying that was becasue I didn't sit in the chatrooms 24/7 idleing or not, and didnt't go to 2 meetings.
And whats even better, is they don't even talk about the guild, tactics for when it comes out, or the game itself. They talk about how they f****d someone last night, and how they got head in the bushes 2 hours ago, like 14 year old kids do. They also would talk about being gay and shit. Pritty much totaly stupid shit, that doesn't require me to read it to be as good or better than anyone else that will play the game.
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Occulis
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Posted: 12/17/03 - 23:03 Post subject:
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| GruntingCod wrote: | | Well obviously NASA doesn't knowning their most recent rocket blew up and shit. |
See, comments like that really make me side with the general consensus.
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GruntingCod
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Posted: 12/17/03 - 23:12 Post subject:
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Derringer
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Posted: 12/17/03 - 23:38 Post subject:
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My suggestion? Don't give such simple questions. Give situational questions.
If you were faced with the following situation, how would you handle it and why? Then, make up a situation that you can truly evaluate their thinking on.
It requires that you actually spend time reading the applications, and it requires your applicants take it seriousley, but it is, imo, the best way to do it.
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Brael
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Posted: 12/18/03 - 00:25 Post subject:
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Make up numerous questions designed to make them feel like a piece of shit by the time they finish answering them to. The ideal questionaire would shatter their self esteem, convince them they fail at eq/life, and that you can help them pick up the pieces by shaping them into the type of slave/person you want them to be.
An example of such a question would be:
Describe happiness, not what makes you happy or how you feel when happy but what is happiness.
Then when they can't answer it you can say they've never truly been happy and tear them down from there.
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Juwel
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Posted: 12/18/03 - 04:31 Post subject:
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Aye, I'd say Derringer is along the right lines. For example a easy question is:
Your guild arrives at a camp only to find another guild there preparing to engage. Which do you think is the best choice of what to do?
a)Pull the mob before them, it's all about the race
b)Leave the zone, best to avoid the drama on RP
c)Wait for them to whipe or succeed, if they whipe it's yours
d)Talk to their leadership and see if loot can be split by working together
e)Do whatever it takes to make sure we get the spawn and not them
The general idea with these questions is that there isn't a RIGHT answer. There are several good answers. You put together 10 of these questions and hopefully you'll get a better insight into their attitude. The biggest thing to keep in mind is that no number of questions will really tell you what kind of member they will be. The only way to discover that is to play with them to get a good feel for the type of player they are.
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Brash
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Posted: 12/18/03 - 04:57 Post subject:
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is your name brash ?
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khrath
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Posted: 12/18/03 - 05:02 Post subject:
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| GruntingCod wrote: | | Khrath wrote: | | Are you a shit f**k? [yes] or [no] |
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Haha, you didn't know who I was when I was talking to you earlyer on eq, eh? hahahah
You tell Khrath: Hi friend!
5 minutes pass
Khrath tells you: hi
Nothing else is ever said! |
that was you? btw wtf you expect, you named your char after some DBZ shit.
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atarom
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Posted: 12/18/03 - 05:43 Post subject:
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| Khrath wrote: | | Are you a shit f**k? [yes] or [no] |
win.
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eqchanter
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Posted: 12/18/03 - 10:12 Post subject: Re: Designing a guild applicant questionnaire
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| Occulis wrote: | I am trying to figure out some basic questions to put in a guild applicant questionnaire. The intent is to weed out the obvious chodes and shitfucks.
I'm thinking really direct "Are you a piece of shit loot w***e thief?"-type questions are pointless, for obvious reasons.
Rather I'm looking at questions like this:
* Do you have children? How many?
* Are you an only child?
* How many years old are you?
* What is your birthdate? (extremely lazy liars won't match up the age and the DoB)
* Interpret this picture: (show link to a Rorschach print)
I don't want to create one so extreme as those Ebonlore guys, but I don't want to make a simple one which really tells you nothing. Ideally it would be completed in about 15 minutes or less.
Any questions you would like to see your guildmates answer?
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I am thinking those are just examples but really they are unrelated.
Try to stick to questions like this. They are just quick questions and can be worded better.
* what level are you?
* how many aa do you have?
* what guilds if any have you been in before and why did you leave/get removed from them( be honest I will check )?
* why do you want to join us and what do you have to offer us?
* what timezone are you/what time do you play/for how long
* do you have raid experience/gear to support what we are currently into?
* who do you know in ( guild name here ) ?
* who is your sponsor?
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EEndi
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Posted: 12/18/03 - 10:34 Post subject:
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The stuff chanter just posted is really good stuff. I like the idea of a "Trial system". Let the person come with you on raids, they won't get any loot, but they can get flags and such. What this allows is you to see them in action, interact with the people in the guild, and see what your guild is about. I'm was never too fond of the "Sponsor" system. It helps to know people, but somtimes you just "Miss" people.
Say you play 6 PM EST to 10 PM EST. Most of the "Uber" guilds are raiding at that time, so there is little chance to get to know these people. so unless you log crazy hours you don't have a shot at one of these guilds. You may be qualified, but they'll never know.
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Mogling
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Posted: 12/18/03 - 11:03 Post subject:
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| Juwel wrote: | Aye, I'd say Derringer is along the right lines. For example a easy question is:
Your guild arrives at a camp only to find another guild there preparing to engage. Which do you think is the best choice of what to do?
a)Pull the mob before them, it's all about the race
b)Leave the zone, best to avoid the drama on RP
c)Wait for them to whipe or succeed, if they whipe it's yours
d)Talk to their leadership and see if loot can be split by working together
e)Do whatever it takes to make sure we get the spawn and not them
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You forgot f)Ensure the Guild rankings thread makes 300 pages from this encounter.
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Fabulez
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Posted: 12/18/03 - 18:27 Post subject:
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a) why do you play eq
b) what would you be doing if you weren't filling out this questionnaire right now
c) who are you ignoring right now to fill out this questionnaire
d) if you hadn't spent the time playing eq that you did, what would you have accomplished in your life
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Occulis
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Posted: 12/18/03 - 18:41 Post subject:
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mememememe i wanna answer
| Fabulez wrote: | a) why do you play eq
b) what would you be doing if you weren't filling out this questionnaire right now
c) who are you ignoring right now to fill out this questionnaire
d) if you hadn't spent the time playing eq that you did, what would you have accomplished in your life |
a) i am addicted, and i like "casting spells"
b) reading about the 60000 reasons my s****y sysadmin skills are still creating routers vulnerable to 13 year olds
c) my coworkers
d) i would have created 30 more useless products which display unrivaled creativity and ingenuity yet apply to absolutely nothing practical.
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