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Frax
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Paco
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I saw that, and was going to mention that in the other thread you hinted at.
YOU KNOW THINGS!! PLANS WITHIN PLANS!!
and 109 is a good start, but not enough
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sinrakin
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How can you guys think this will help? I'm sure it's gratifying to think that of all the people being killed, a lot of them are probably enemies. But there's no conceivable way that this gets us to our long term goal. We're not fighting an army; we're fighting a resistance. The more force you use against a resistance, the stronger they get.
Here's what will happen: most of the brains of the resistance will have left the city before the fighting started. We'll kill the ones that are canon fodder, and maybe take a few casualties ourselves. We'll destroy a lot of the city, kill a number of innocents, and outrage the populace. Since we don't have enough of an army in Iraq to fully control every trouble spot, we'll have to move out after a time to address other hotspots. The rebels who escaped will return, having used the conflict to bring in vast numbers of new recruits, both in Samarra and in other cities. The next time we have to go in it will be even harder, because the alienated population who hasn't actually joined the resistance, will still have stronger sympathies with them. We'll get less useful intelligence, and the rebels will get a lot more passive help.
This just makes things worse.
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Frax
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Posted: 10/01/04 - 11:17 Post subject:
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What 'resistance' ? These people are terrorists blowing up car bombs on women and children in market places; assassinating government officials, shooting police and military servicemen. They don't understand negotiations, peace, or diplomacy; they understand bombs, bullets, and death. So thats what they are being served.
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euphonious
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Posted: 10/01/04 - 11:24 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | On Thursday explosions in Baghdad claimed at least 41 lives, about 35 of them children. |
They targetted kids, Sinrakin. I think killing the bastards is a damn good response.
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Paco
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Posted: 10/01/04 - 11:30 Post subject:
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| euphonious wrote: | | Quote: | | On Thursday explosions in Baghdad claimed at least 41 lives, about 35 of them children. |
They targetted kids, Sinrakin. I think killing the bastards is a damn good response. |
yeah, what he said, you bleeding heart fuckhead sinrakin. or are you cool with kids being killed?
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sinrakin
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Posted: 10/01/04 - 11:32 Post subject:
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I agree. I didn't say they're a noble or anything, just that they are by nature more of a resistance than an army. Terrorists who kill innocent people, women and children, do deserve to die. No question. My point is just that killing some just to say you've killed them, while making them stronger, is foolish.
It's like how the US was always claiming they were "winning the drug war" because they seized twice as many drugs this year as last year, and four times as many as the year before, while ignoring the fact that all that meant was that vastly more drugs were being shipped across the border in response. It wasn't cutting down the problem at all.
We need the vast majority of the population on our side to win. There's no other way. That's not going to happen if we keep blowing the crap out of everything. Body counts don't mean anything in this kind of war.
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Conqueso
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Posted: 10/01/04 - 11:35 Post subject:
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Btw, nothing political here... There was a few articles over the last month (wish I could find them) that say the people that were involved with importing drugs into the US are switching to the more lucrative business of importing people into the US.
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Paco
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Posted: 10/01/04 - 11:36 Post subject:
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Just turn your back on it if you don't like it.
It's got to be done, and it's going to be done. There's nothing nice about war.
War is hell. Break some eggs. Get your hands dirty. et al
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Tura
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Posted: 10/01/04 - 11:43 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | I agree. I didn't say they're a noble or anything, just that they are by nature more of a resistance than an army. Terrorists who kill innocent people, women and children, do deserve to die. No question. My point is just that killing some just to say you've killed them, while making them stronger, is foolish.
It's like how the US was always claiming they were "winning the drug war" because they seized twice as many drugs this year as last year, and four times as many as the year before, while ignoring the fact that all that meant was that vastly more drugs were being shipped across the border in response. It wasn't cutting down the problem at all.
We need the vast majority of the population on our side to win. There's no other way. That's not going to happen if we keep blowing the crap out of everything. Body counts don't mean anything in this kind of war. |
Drugs and people willing to die for a cause are 2 totally different things imo. Sure, you can just grow/ship more drugs whenever theres a shortage, but when you kill these extremist over and over, there are fewer and fewer of people willing to die in that nature for what they believe. Many citizens of Iraq are already pleading for the extremists to stop because they are actually feeling their freedom now for the first time and they like it. I say seek them out and hunt them down. I hate war just as much as the next guy, but I realize that there are going to have to be more sacrifices (sadly mostly on the US part) before we are to see any of this come about.
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xeqer
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Posted: 10/01/04 - 12:20 Post subject:
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Hey this thread doesn't belong in the political forum.
They set off bombs where free candy was being handed out to kids.
109 insurgents killed? Who the f**k gave the order to stop firing!!!
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Roskoe
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Posted: 10/01/04 - 13:45 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | I agree. I didn't say they're a noble or anything, just that they are by nature more of a resistance than an army. Terrorists who kill innocent people, women and children, do deserve to die. No question. My point is just that killing some just to say you've killed them, while making them stronger, is foolish.
It's like how the US was always claiming they were "winning the drug war" because they seized twice as many drugs this year as last year, and four times as many as the year before, while ignoring the fact that all that meant was that vastly more drugs were being shipped across the border in response. It wasn't cutting down the problem at all.
We need the vast majority of the population on our side to win. There's no other way. That's not going to happen if we keep blowing the crap out of everything. Body counts don't mean anything in this kind of war. |
So how will Kerry fix this?
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Frax
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Posted: 10/01/04 - 13:47 Post subject:
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he said last night he was gonna hunt down and kill every last terrorist. I take that to mean he is re-enlisting because he sure as f**k isn't going to be CINC
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Roskoe
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| Frax wrote: | | he said last night he was gonna hunt down and kill every last terrorist. I take that to mean he is re-enlisting because he sure as f**k isn't going to be CINC |
Haha. If he enlists, I will too!
I like how everytime he criticized Bushs decisions on Iraq, he followed it up by saying "I will do better". But he didnt explain how. 
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Posted: 10/01/04 - 14:20 Post subject:
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| Paco wrote: | | euphonious wrote: | | Quote: | | On Thursday explosions in Baghdad claimed at least 41 lives, about 35 of them children. |
They targetted kids, Sinrakin. I think killing the bastards is a damn good response. |
yeah, what he said, you bleeding heart fuckhead sinrakin. or are you cool with kids being killed? |
Those kids are dead directly because of Bush.
I think what Bush means by liberating the Iraqis is killing them all then their spirits are liberated to float around and shit.
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Posted: 10/01/04 - 14:22 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | he said last night he was gonna hunt down and kill every last terrorist. I take that to mean he is re-enlisting because he sure as f**k isn't going to be CINC |
Yeah focusing on Al Queda directly is the proper solutuon to the sucker punch that was 911.
Not going into Iraq and giving fire to Alquedas flame.
jesus CHRIST MORONS
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merdocc
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Posted: 10/01/04 - 14:47 Post subject:
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The fire for the flame comes from their radical religious beliefs and the fact that they believe they are fighting a just war. Every post I have seen from you has been totally misinformed and uneducated. just another sheep I guess.
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Posted: 10/01/04 - 14:55 Post subject:
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| merdocc wrote: | | The fire for the flame comes from their radical religious beliefs and the fact that they believe they are fighting a just war. Every post I have seen from you has been totally misinformed and uneducated. just another sheep I guess. |
The fire from their flames comes from them witnessing with their own eyes America moving into Iraq, under false pretenses, and doing to them exactly what our enemy has warned them the US will do.
Had we placed the heat on the Al Queda directly after 911, and kept our focus on them, the people who really are Americas enemy would be all but vanquished by this point.
And you can quote me on that.
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Paco
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Posted: 10/01/04 - 15:01 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | | Paco wrote: | | euphonious wrote: | | Quote: | | On Thursday explosions in Baghdad claimed at least 41 lives, about 35 of them children. |
They targetted kids, Sinrakin. I think killing the bastards is a damn good response. |
yeah, what he said, you bleeding heart fuckhead sinrakin. or are you cool with kids being killed? |
Those kids are dead directly because of Bush.
I think what Bush means by liberating the Iraqis is killing them all then their spirits are liberated to float around and shit. |
No, they're dead directly because YOU bought weed back in 1998 that went to fund these f*****s. Way to go, a*****e. I think your dickhead president, clinton, was in the office at the time.
Go choke on a d**k and have a GREAT day Jack! 
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Posted: 10/01/04 - 15:10 Post subject:
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| Paco wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Paco wrote: | | euphonious wrote: | | Quote: | | On Thursday explosions in Baghdad claimed at least 41 lives, about 35 of them children. |
They targetted kids, Sinrakin. I think killing the bastards is a damn good response. |
yeah, what he said, you bleeding heart fuckhead sinrakin. or are you cool with kids being killed? |
Those kids are dead directly because of Bush.
I think what Bush means by liberating the Iraqis is killing them all then their spirits are liberated to float around and shit. |
No, they're dead directly because YOU bought weed back in 1998 that went to fund these f*****s. Way to go, a*****e. I think your dickhead president, clinton, was in the office at the time.
Go choke on a d**k and have a GREAT day Jack! |
No Paco, YOU have a great day =)
Im already going to have a great day, after watching your boy get his ass handed to him by Kerry.
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Vengar_OO
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Wasn't it reported that most of the insurgents aren't even Iraqi, there just other terrorists using the war as an excuse to blow up kids or some shit?
If killing them isn't the answer, I'd like to know what is.
I'm sure Kerry has a plan though.
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Posted: 10/01/04 - 19:33 Post subject:
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Pick a plan... depends on which way the polls are blowing that day: Kerry vs Kerry
Of course the "plans" are only in general with no specifics other than "train them fast and hold a summit".
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/02/04 - 05:48 Post subject:
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It's an incredibly complex issue.
We're there (unfortunately), can't just take that back at this point. So we need to stay until the job is done. But the middle east has been doing this insurgent thing for decades (West Bank anyone?). Isreal has been dealing with it, and with an even more "extreeme prejudice" policy than most americans would probably condone - and it's still not solved.
The only solution is to prop up a gov't and get the hell out.
Any gov't installed will be bettter than Saddam.
After that, maybe we can go after the real enemy that we should have been chasing all along - Al Queda.
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Posted: 10/02/04 - 17:36 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | It's an incredibly complex issue.
We're there (unfortunately), can't just take that back at this point. So we need to stay until the job is done. But the middle east has been doing this insurgent thing for decades (West Bank anyone?). Isreal has been dealing with it, and with an even more "extreeme prejudice" policy than most americans would probably condone - and it's still not solved.
The only solution is to prop up a gov't and get the hell out.
Any gov't installed will be bettter than Saddam.
After that, maybe we can go after the real enemy that we should have been chasing all along - Al Queda. |
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Cralen
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 12:11 Post subject:
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| Roskoe wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | he said last night he was gonna hunt down and kill every last terrorist. I take that to mean he is re-enlisting because he sure as f**k isn't going to be CINC |
Haha. If he enlists, I will too! |
"I remember being in Iraq on Christmas of '05"
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flamewalker
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Posted: 10/04/04 - 16:32 Post subject:
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LOL... that Kerry on Kerry highlighted just how contradictory and "with the flow" Kerry is... much more than I realized... I hadn't put 1+1 together until i saw just how much & often he contradicts himself. He stands for nothing in my mind... and his "grand" plans... I haven't heard anything concrete that he would do... even when asked TWICE the almost EXACT same question about specific steps he would take... and he completely skirted the question both times by saying he has a "plan".
Sorry I don't totally agree with EVERYTHING Bush does/did, but I have no trust in Kerry's ability to lead after that debate, and will not vote for someone who has no solid footing in what he believes. At least I know where Bush stands.
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Bait Masterson
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Posted: 10/04/04 - 16:58 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | How can you guys think this will help? I'm sure it's gratifying to think that of all the people being killed, a lot of them are probably enemies. But there's no conceivable way that this gets us to our long term goal. We're not fighting an army; we're fighting a resistance. The more force you use against a resistance, the stronger they get.
Here's what will happen: most of the brains of the resistance will have left the city before the fighting started. We'll kill the ones that are canon fodder, and maybe take a few casualties ourselves. We'll destroy a lot of the city, kill a number of innocents, and outrage the populace. Since we don't have enough of an army in Iraq to fully control every trouble spot, we'll have to move out after a time to address other hotspots. The rebels who escaped will return, having used the conflict to bring in vast numbers of new recruits, both in Samarra and in other cities. The next time we have to go in it will be even harder, because the alienated population who hasn't actually joined the resistance, will still have stronger sympathies with them. We'll get less useful intelligence, and the rebels will get a lot more passive help.
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this makes me wonder
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU KNOW JACK ABOUT COUNTER INSURGENCY MR MOORE JR?
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Pankrat
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Posted: 10/04/04 - 17:55 Post subject:
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We aren't fighting a resistance we are fighting Fedayeem Sadam (his version of the SS) and some Al Qaeada and other terrorists who are terrorizing the general Iraqi population. The solution is really simple, kill them all.
This isn't a popular uprising at all, this is terrorists and former Baathists trying to brutalize the country into submission, and also cause enough trouble for the American administration to cause an American "regime change".
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Posted: 10/04/04 - 18:22 Post subject:
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| Pankrat wrote: | We aren't fighting a resistance we are fighting Fedayeem Sadam (his version of the SS) and some Al Qaeada and other terrorists who are terrorizing the general Iraqi population. The solution is really simple, kill them all.
This isn't a popular uprising at all, this is terrorists and former Baathists trying to brutalize the country into submission, and also cause enough trouble for the American administration to cause an American "regime change". |
| Quote: | Beginning last fall and culminating in the winter with Mr. Hussein's capture, the insurgency's composition shifted from what the Pentagon calls "former regime loyalists" to Iraqis motivated by nationalism and Islam, as clerics increasingly stepped into the local power void, experts say. In Sunni areas, disgruntled, jobless Iraqi military and intelligence personnel used their expertise in weaponry and explosives to bolster the proficiency of insurgents.
Their ranks have swollen with young men from Sunni Arab tribes that felt both disenfranchised and angered by harsh US military tactics in the Sunni Triangle. Meanwhile, an influx of small numbers of foreign terrorists and Sunni extremists willing to carry out suicide attacks served as a "force multiplier" for the insurgency. |
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0428/p03s01-usmi.html
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| Bait Masterson wrote: | | sinrakin wrote: | How can you guys think this will help? I'm sure it's gratifying to think that of all the people being killed, a lot of them are probably enemies. But there's no conceivable way that this gets us to our long term goal. We're not fighting an army; we're fighting a resistance. The more force you use against a resistance, the stronger they get.
Here's what will happen: most of the brains of the resistance will have left the city before the fighting started. We'll kill the ones that are canon fodder, and maybe take a few casualties ourselves. We'll destroy a lot of the city, kill a number of innocents, and outrage the populace. Since we don't have enough of an army in Iraq to fully control every trouble spot, we'll have to move out after a time to address other hotspots. The rebels who escaped will return, having used the conflict to bring in vast numbers of new recruits, both in Samarra and in other cities. The next time we have to go in it will be even harder, because the alienated population who hasn't actually joined the resistance, will still have stronger sympathies with them. We'll get less useful intelligence, and the rebels will get a lot more passive help.
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WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU KNOW JACK ABOUT COUNTER INSURGENCY MR MOORE JR? |
That cracked me up.
Scumrankin is a f*****g liberal fool, an idiot. Reading his shit helps keep my hate up where it needs to be.
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