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WheresNWS
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 Posted: 09/24/03 - 12:41 Post subject: Clark lacks character
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According to retired chairman of the joint chiefs of staff...
"I've known Wes for a long time. I will tell you the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. I'm not going to say whether I'm a Republican or a Democrat. I'll just say Wes won't get my vote."
-General Shelton
http://www.losaltosonline.com/articles/2003/09/23/news/community/news01.txt
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 12:56 Post subject:
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What's your point?
Everyone has dirt.
Unless you're running against him, I'd say you're very p****d off with this person for some particular reason, besides the dirt.
lol
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Akronn
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 13:07 Post subject:
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Seriously lol.
Then again, mudslinging is what Republicans do best, right?
I'll tell you one thing, they're very scared of him. All this energy already into a guy that hasn't even started his campaign. Makes ya think!
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 13:09 Post subject:
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USA Today already had him ahead in popularity over any canidate... including Bush.
I'm thinking another copy of Half Life 2 WheresNWS, can always use cd-keys for that.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 13:13 Post subject:
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I'm personally against him because I know he sucks. He shouldn't be running on his military credentials when the military pretty much wanted him booted out.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 13:14 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | Then again, mudslinging is what Republicans do best, right? |
I thought you were non-partisan.
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Akronn
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 13:15 Post subject:
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It's his military credentials now - that's all we know about him - but the guy has a year to speak.
/shrug if he proves himself an idiot like Gore or Bush, he won't get my vote. But I'll keep an open mind, at least he's been honest about his past unlike Mr. 'I don't remember.' 
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 13:18 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | It's his military credentials now - that's all we know about him - but the guy has a year to speak.
/shrug if he proves himself an idiot like Gore or Bush, he won't get my vote. But I'll keep an open mind, at least he's been honest about his past unlike Mr. 'I don't remember.' |
Nice try at a save. But explain your partisan statement about republicans if you're non-partisan.
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Akronn
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 13:27 Post subject:
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| WheresNWS wrote: | | Nice try at a save. But explain your partisan statement about republicans if you're non-partisan. |
I'm against card carrying fools of both parties. They're following an idealogy they seldom understand, they spew 'facts' and 'quotes' and 'numbers' without questioning where they came from or what they mean.
Don't confuse non-partisan with 'Democrat or Republican depending on the weather.' Both establishments, at their most virulent, are detestable. However, Republicans have yet again stooped pretty low already lol. It's becoming a trend, just pointing that out. (and to illustrate how silly it all is, a common retort to Bush's foreign policy is a Clinton b*****b remark... how extremely intelligent  )
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 13:35 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: | | Nice try at a save. But explain your partisan statement about republicans if you're non-partisan. |
I'm against card carrying fools of both parties. They're following an idealogy they seldom understand, they spew 'facts' and 'quotes' and 'numbers' without questioning where they came from or what they mean.
Don't confuse non-partisan with 'Democrat or Republican depending on the weather.' Both establishments, at their most virulent, are detestable. However, Republicans have yet again stooped pretty low already lol. It's becoming a trend, just pointing that out. (and to illustrate how silly it all is, a common retort to Bush's foreign policy is a Clinton b*****b remark... how extremely intelligent :roll: ) |
To quote kbar..."liar".
You're trying to put yourself above the concept of a party by claiming you only make decisions purely based on your ideology. Why, then, are republicans mudslingers and democrats innocent. Because you're a partisan democrat. You refused to answer my question on who you've voted for, because you've never voted...typical of a democrat.
And please tell me where the "republican mudslinging" is! General Shelton said he would not vote for Clark because of character issues that forced him out of his command. He didn't say who he was voting for, just that he wouldn't vote for Clark for the very reason I posted a week ago.
I guess "character" isn't an issue for partisan democrats like yourself. It's all about the party. I guess that's why we had Clinton for 8 years.
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 13:48 Post subject:
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So what? Bush has no character either. He is a rich boy that got where he is because of his daddy. He didn't go to Nam, he was ducking out in the national guard AWOL. I guess Clark just makes too many waves for the conservative establishment.
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Akronn
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 13:55 Post subject:
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| WheresNWS wrote: |
To quote kbar..."liar".
You're trying to put yourself above the concept of a party by claiming you only make decisions purely based on your ideology. Why, then, are republicans mudslingers and democrats innocent. Because you're a partisan democrat. You refused to answer my question on who you've voted for, because you've never voted...typical of a democrat.
And please tell me where the "republican mudslinging" is! General Shelton said he would not vote for Clark because of character issues that forced him out of his command. He didn't say who he was voting for, just that he wouldn't vote for Clark for the very reason I posted a week ago.
I guess "character" isn't an issue for partisan democrats like yourself. It's all about the party. I guess that's why we had Clinton for 8 years. |
That newsletter isn't part of your morning reading, you got the link from one of your conservative blogs 
And I am above party loyalty, sorry. I actually do make my own decisions. What a concept! The term 'mudslinging Republicans' originated from reality, look what you've done on this board this past week. 3 threads now bashing Clark, and it's not even good material, man! I hope you have enough energy to last a year at this pace! It would be great if you broached the issues for once... oh wait, you won't let Clark talk. What are you afraid of?
Right now all I've heard is Clark and his people criticise Bush's policies (namely Iraq and unemployment), but it's an election campaign and that's the whole point. However, Bush's people are calling Clark a 'liar' and 'characterless' etc. like it's really that hard to stay on topic. I'm sure the whole election will eventually revolve around personal attacks though, it seems to be the new way.
Also, you'll have to show me where I said Democrats are innocent. You can't put words into someone's mouth and then bash them, it doesn't work that way.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 14:04 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: |
To quote kbar..."liar".
You're trying to put yourself above the concept of a party by claiming you only make decisions purely based on your ideology. Why, then, are republicans mudslingers and democrats innocent. Because you're a partisan democrat. You refused to answer my question on who you've voted for, because you've never voted...typical of a democrat.
And please tell me where the "republican mudslinging" is! General Shelton said he would not vote for Clark because of character issues that forced him out of his command. He didn't say who he was voting for, just that he wouldn't vote for Clark for the very reason I posted a week ago.
I guess "character" isn't an issue for partisan democrats like yourself. It's all about the party. I guess that's why we had Clinton for 8 years. |
That newsletter isn't part of your morning reading, you got the link from one of your conservative blogs ;)
And I am above party loyalty, sorry. I actually do make my own decisions. What a concept! The term 'mudslinging Republicans' orignated from reality, look what you've done on this board this past week. 3 threads now bashing Clark, and it's not even good material, man! I hope you have enough energy to last a year at this pace! It would be great if you broached the issues for once... oh wait, you won't let Clark talk. What are you afraid of?
Right now all I've heard is Clark and his people criticise Bush's policies (namely Iraq and unemployment), but it's an election campaign and that's the whole point. However, Bush's people are calling Clark a 'liar' and 'characterless' etc. like it's really that hard to stay on topic. I'm sure the whole election will eventually revolve around personal attacks though, it seems to be the new way.
Also, you'll have to show me where I said Democrats are innocent. You can't put words into someone's mouth and then bash them, it doesn't work that way. |
Your party loyalty is clear, as I've yet to see you depart with the democrats. Shelton isn't one of "Bush's people." He became chairman under Clinton.
I'm attacking Clark because, as I said last week and as General Shelton agrees, he's was underserving of his military position. He was only awarded it due to his connection with a corrupt president.
As for you...You constantly bash Bush for being stupid (his SAT scores prove otherwise) or lying about Iraq (but you're unable to say how). "Mudslinging republicans" is partisan. You didn't call me a mudslinger. You called republicans mudslingers. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but you're a sheep...a partisan democrat who does what your party tells you to do. There's no other way to explain your persistent illogic. When you're proven wrong again and again, you still refuse to part with your party.
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Akronn
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 14:09 Post subject:
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Nah, you've linked enough articles to clearly demonstrate your party's mudslinging tendencies. Can't go back and delete history. Maybe others here didn't read your blogs, but I sure did. 
Also, another silly accusation. Tell me what the Democrats told me to do. I'm all ears!
And why do all your debates degenerate into placing words in others' mouths, then screaming 'illogical' when they call you on it?
And lastly, being critical of Republicans does not make one a Democrat, I don't know how much more clearly I can state that.
edit: I should add that I never said Bush lied about Iraq, at this juncture it's safe to say he was mislead and, in turn, wound up misleading the world. I never supported the oil grab theory, I really don't think he's that obvious (or hope not!). Dubbing the operation 'Iraqi Freedom' in midstream was a bad move though, it's better to call a duck a duck.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 14:40 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | Nah, you've linked enough articles to clearly demonstrate your party's mudslinging tendencies. Can't go back and delete history. Maybe others here didn't read your blogs, but I sure did. 8) |
What the f**k are you talking about? I attack Clark because he was unworthy of the position he was in. The ONLY other candidate I attacked was Kerry, for his hypocritical concern for the poor. The guy is a f*****g billionaire and cries for the camera when some single mother tells her sad story. He doesn't give a rats ass about the poor. He exploits them for camera shots. And what the f**k is this crap about blogs? I don't read any blogs.
| Akronn wrote: | | Also, another silly accusation. Tell me what the Democrats told me to do. I'm all ears! |
An easier question is "what don't they tell you to do?" You align yourself with every single issue as the democrats. Then you constantly bash "repblicans", and you don't vote. You are a democrat whether you like it or not.
| Akronn wrote: | And why do all your debates degenerate into placing words in others' mouths, then screaming 'illogical' when they call you on it?
And lastly, being critical of Republicans does not make one a Democrat, I don't know how much more clearly I can state that. |
No, but naming republicans specifically, aligning yourself with democrats 100% of the time and not voting does.
edit: Oh, and why can't we follow your rules and only discuss the person who is the topic, here...Clark, you hypocrite.
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Akronn
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 15:00 Post subject:
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How do I align myself 100% with Democrats? Sheesh, I've already told you how much of a tool I think Gore is (and once again I'll mention I've met him twice, this wasn't something I picked up from reading a blog).
Gee, you'd think a diehard Democrat like myself would stand up for their self-proclaimed ringleader
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 15:08 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | How do I align myself 100% with Democrats? Sheesh, I've already told you how much of a tool I think Gore is (and once again I'll mention I've met him twice, this wasn't something I picked up from reading a blog).
Gee, you'd think a diehard Democrat like myself would stand up for their self-proclaimed ringleader :roll: |
You're a f*****g d*****s. I never read anything about Clark from a blog, nor do I even read blogs. Give up that angle. I lived in Panama in 96-97 when he was in charge of SouthCom. He lived half a mile from me. He was a poor leader and nobody liked him or believed he deserved his position and yes, I've met him. His name was often mentioned with a sigh. The link I posted verifies exactly what I said a week ago about him. There is no mudslinging, but I can tell you really want there to be so that you can practice your "republicans are bad" rhetoric. Shelton simply said he would not vote for Clark due to his verifiable (from his record) lack of character.
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Akronn
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 15:22 Post subject:
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Dude, you blog like there's no tomorrow. You linked articles from 2 of 'em in the last two days, and plenty more throughout your RP history. You read the conservative blogs, take them as Gospel, and diffuse the info to everyone. I'll bet you mass email your friends too, don't you?
'Look at this, guys, General Shelton doesn't like Clark!'
Fun times.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 15:26 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | Dude, you blog like there's no tomorrow. You linked articles from 2 of 'em in the last two days, and plenty more throughout your RP history. You read the conservative blogs, take them as Gospel, and diffuse the info to everyone. I'll bet you mass email your friends too, don't you?
'Look at this, guys, General Shelton doesn't like Clark!'
Fun times. |
Again you're an ass, because I didn't link from any blogs. I don't read any blogs, and no I don't email articles to anyone. naturally ABC news won't report that an honorable general pointed out that Clark lacks character. You're pathetic and can't face the fact that I'm posting articles that support what I know first-hand. Of course, I would expect this exact response from a blind sheep, partisian, democrat who refuses to accept anything bad about his newest darling.
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 15:35 Post subject:
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| Paco wrote: | What's your point?
Everyone has dirt.
Unless you're running against him, I'd say you're very p****d off with this person for some particular reason, besides the dirt.
lol |
Clark is scum.
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 15:36 Post subject:
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Point Akronn.
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 15:36 Post subject:
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| WheresNWS wrote: | | Akronn wrote: | | Then again, mudslinging is what Republicans do best, right? |
I thought you were non-partisan. |
LOL
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 15:38 Post subject:
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ok I have to ask...
where did the word BLOG come from?
I have heard it now for about 6 months and I know what it is but where did it come from?
is it like a b - log? inform plz
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Akronn
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 15:43 Post subject:
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You mad, crazy blogger you
You don't have me figured out, not by a mile lol. And I think we've already established you can find an article on the internet for literally every occassion.
Here, this took .35 seconds according to google: http://www.dailykos.com/archives/003430.html
This guy says Bush lacks character. Well rats, does this mean we're back to square one???
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 15:47 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | You mad, crazy blogger you
You don't have me figured out, not by a mile lol. And I think we've already established you can find an article on the internet for literally every occassion.
Here, this took .35 seconds according to google: http://www.dailykos.com/archives/003430.html
This guy says Bush lacks character. Well rats, does this mean we're back to square one??? |
I love how you don't like to be called a "democrat".
Where exactly do you fit on the scale? You have to fit someplace and we all KNOW you aren't a conservative. And please don't tell me you are a moderate..... The batteries on my b******t meter are low and I don't want to change them tonight.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 15:52 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | You mad, crazy blogger you ;)
You don't have me figured out, not by a mile lol. And I think we've already established you can find an article on the internet for literally every occassion.
Here, this took .35 seconds according to google: http://www.dailykos.com/archives/003430.html
This guy says Bush lacks character. Well rats, does this mean we're back to square one??? |
No because this post was a follow up to my claim that military people do not like Clark. When his superior, the chairman of the joint chiefs, says he was removed for lack of character, it is much more significant that some random loyal democrat editorialist saying so.
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 15:56 Post subject:
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Hey, wait a second!
"Military people" Aren't supposed to have opinions! That for the liberal free thinkers and radical news media.
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Akronn
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 15:58 Post subject:
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Every test I take places me at 'centrist.'
It's not that I take offense to being called a Democrat, Republican, or whatever else, it's just that it's inaccurate. I don't belong to any party, I'm not loyal to any party, and there isn't any party I feel I can identify most with.
All WheresNWS is doing is taking my opposition towards Bush and conjecturing that the only explanation is that I must be a Democrat. Kinda arrogant if you ask me, it's suggesting that nobody dares defy Bush unless they're sleeping with the enemy. Can't an innocent bystander be disgusted with the current state of affairs too?
And to answer WheresNWS most pressing question: I did not vote in '96 (was living on campus at the time) but actually voted in 2000 for none other than Bob McCain, a write-in. Interesting, is it not?
He had his faults but I was hoping he'd come around again this election and shake things up a bit.
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 16:00 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | Every test I take places me at 'centrist.'
It's not that I take offense to being called a Democrat, Republican, or whatever else, it's just that it's inaccurate. I don't belong to any party, I'm not loyal to any party, and there isn't any party I feel I can identify most with.
All WheresNWS is doing is taking my opposition towards Bush and conjecturing that the only explanation is that I must be a Democrat. Kinda arrogant if you ask me, it's suggesting that nobody dares defy Bush unless they're sleeping with the enemy. Can't an innocent bystander be disgusted with the current state of affairs too?
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You set my b******t meter off.
But I had a feeling you would.
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Posted: 09/24/03 - 16:06 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | Every test I take places me at 'centrist.'
It's not that I take offense to being called a Democrat, Republican, or whatever else, it's just that it's inaccurate. I don't belong to any party, I'm not loyal to any party, and there isn't any party I feel I can identify most with.
All WheresNWS is doing is taking my opposition towards Bush and conjecturing that the only explanation is that I must be a Democrat. Kinda arrogant if you ask me, it's suggesting that nobody dares defy Bush unless they're sleeping with the enemy. Can't an innocent bystander be disgusted with the current state of affairs too?
And to answer WheresNWS most pressing question: I did not vote in '96 (was living on campus at the time) but actually voted in 2000 for none other than Bob McCain, a write-in. Interesting, is it not?
He had his faults but I was hoping he'd come around again this election and shake things up a bit. |
Wrong. I'm pointing out your opposition to anyone who opposes a democratic candidate. You're up in arms that I pointed out Clark's unpopularity among the military.
You've brought up Bush exactly twice as many times in this thread as me, and every time I brought him up was in response to you hypocritically changing the subject to him. We're talking about Clark, here. Follow your rules, hypocrite.
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