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Desaitar
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 Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:46 Post subject:
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take a look at past elections nah, 4 million is HUGE. it wasnt a flood but it was def convincing and is enough for demos to consider a new approach other than the "lets just diss the president and not state our plans" plan.
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Abi
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:49 Post subject:
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Quot when Edwards came out and gave his "EVERY VOTE MUST COUNT" speech Ohio was all but decided for Bush .. they were holding on to the chance that the "provisional ballots" some 200,000 or so would tip the scale .. HOWEVER he would have had to get AT LEAST 94% of those votes to overtake Bush and pretty much ANYONE who can add could tell you that...
But he dragged it out ...
Then he called Bush and conceeded... and dragged it out even longer... what was it 2-3 hours ?
I guarantee if it were the other way around .. about Midnight Bush would have come out and said .. "good run and grats Kerry"
Just another reason im estatic that my man got re-elected 
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Nahualli
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:53 Post subject:
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| Abi wrote: | You don't think that shit he pulled last night was the same thing Nah?
I don't care how you crunched the numbers .. if you were being realisitc Bush had won the election after they announced FLA.. he SHOULD Have conceeded then instead of rallying his troupe of lawyers...
YES .. he finally calmed down after making everyone stay up ALL NIGHT and backed down .. but I GUARANTEE he did so VERY grudgingly ...heh |
Well that goes to show there is no winning. If he conceded too early his supporters would have been irate about him pussying out. If he fought to the last his opponents would have been all over him for being a sore loser. You can't win. I'm not sure I'm going to hate someone for holding out for 12 hours, people have stayed awake longer for less important things, and last I checked, the 'crats weren't holding a gun to your head making you watch TV. I went to bed last night around midnight, me being awake or asleep while the votes are counted isn't going to change a darn thing anyways.
-Nah-
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Desaitar
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:57 Post subject:
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lol, it doesnt matter now, 4 good years now
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quotison
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:58 Post subject:
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There's a few things to note.
First, third party candidates had very very little impact at all on this election, and that's why you have someone winning a majority for the first time since 1988. In 2000, Nader got 2.8 million votes. This time it was 394,000.
In 1996, Ross Perot got 8 million votes. Clinton didn't get a majority of the vote, but he got 8 million more votes then Dole, more then twice the difference between Kerry and Bush.
In 1992 Perot got 19 million votes and Clinton, with only 42% of all the vote, beat Bush by almost 5 million.
Regardless of the significance of Bush winning a majority and what that means for the Democrats, this was still the second closest election of the past 25 years.
Abi, I agree it would have been a safe call to concede around 1 am, but I think they were being cautious, and for good reason. When Gore conceded prematurely, that hurt his public opinion during the Florida fiasco. And I hope you agree that it was necessary for some recounts to take place there due to the extraordinary closeness. In 2000 there was absoutely no reason for either candidate to concede on election night. Yet Gore doing so on election night caused people to think he was trying to take way the election for Bush during the recount. I think waiting a few hours to be 110% sure to concede is not dragging it out, despite our impatient culture.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 17:00 Post subject:
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Think Quot summed it up nicely. I'm not sure when exactly Ohio was handed to Bush, but it was not nearly at the same time Florida was handed to him. I saw when the numbers handed FL to Bush, there were several hours before Ohio got handed to him as well, sealing the election in the process.
Hasty decisions tend to be an albatross around any politician's neck they never quite live down.
-Nah-
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Abi
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 17:00 Post subject:
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I disagree Quot .. I think he was just being a pouty baby about it and was SERIOUSLY debating sueing .. why else would he have busloads of lawyers heading to Ohio?
But we'll go around and around on this issue all day .. let's just agree to disagree
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Nahualli
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 17:18 Post subject:
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| Abi wrote: | I disagree Quot .. I think he was just being a pouty baby about it and was SERIOUSLY debating sueing .. why else would he have busloads of lawyers heading to Ohio?
But we'll go around and around on this issue all day .. let's just agree to disagree |
Are you kidding? This is what political analysts and campaign strategists do all day. Do you think Ann Coulter got to where she is by agreeing to disagree with everyone?
-Nah-
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