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Merican
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speaking now
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Merican
Sir Postalot
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:15 Post subject:
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Bush just said he was gonna work for the kerry supporters trust.. that was poetry..
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Abi
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:17 Post subject:
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GREAT SPEECH!
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Desaitar
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:18 Post subject:
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bush is a better character than kerry, i think even those who voted for kerry realize that, even if they disagree on his policies, bush is def a better person.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:18 Post subject:
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| Merican wrote: | | Bush just said he was gonna work for the kerry supporters trust.. that was poetry.. |
that's also nearly half the country.
-Nah-
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Abi
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:18 Post subject:
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Whoever wrote that One Country line... f*****g brilliant ...
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Abi
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:19 Post subject:
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Nah .. you DO realize NO president .. demo or Rep has won as much popular vote as Bush did since like the 70's? quit pouting ... and accept it...
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Abi
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:20 Post subject:
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| Desaitar wrote: | | bush is a better character than kerry, i think even those who voted for kerry realize that, even if they disagree on his policies, bush is def a better person. |
No doubt man .. how can you NOT think that man is sincere when he talks ...
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Nahualli
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:20 Post subject:
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| Desaitar wrote: | | bush is a better character than kerry, i think even those who voted for kerry realize that, even if they disagree on his policies, bush is def a better person. |
If thats not anything but an opinion I don't I've ever heard one. So let me get this straight, people who voted Kerry realize what you're saying .. how?
-Nah-
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Confused
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:20 Post subject:
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| Nahualli wrote: | | Merican wrote: | | Bush just said he was gonna work for the kerry supporters trust.. that was poetry.. |
that's also nearly half the country.
-Nah- |
Nope. 1/6th of the country. Remember that most people who voted for Kerry did not support him. They just opposed Bush.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:21 Post subject:
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| Abi wrote: | | Nah .. you DO realize NO president .. demo or Rep has won as much popular vote as Bush did since like the 70's? quit pouting ... and accept it... |
Pouting?
-Nah-
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Nahualli
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:22 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Nahualli wrote: | | Merican wrote: | | Bush just said he was gonna work for the kerry supporters trust.. that was poetry.. |
that's also nearly half the country.
-Nah- |
Nope. 1/6th of the country. Remember that most people who voted for Kerry did not support him. They just opposed Bush. |
That's definitely true. I think the idea tho is to get the country in general to stand behind him, at least that's what I would guess his goal should be. Especially in the situation we're in. That's more what I was referring to. I also didn't want to be pedantic, but since you started first I figure I'll chime in. If you voted Kerry, you support him. That's pretty much what a vote is.. a show of support. You don't have to campaign for someone or attend all of his rallies to support him. If what you're saying is true then the remainder of the people who didn't want Bush but didn't want Kerry either, well, there were 2 other names on that ballot they could have punched in.
-Nah-
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Desaitar
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:24 Post subject:
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lol nah, if you look at bush, he always promotes hope and freedom, kerry was the opposite. im glad i dont have to listen to his crap anymore, gogo bush, that victory speech was pure gold.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:30 Post subject:
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| Desaitar wrote: | | lol nah, if you look at bush, he always promotes hope and freedom, kerry was the opposite. im glad i dont have to listen to his crap anymore, gogo bush, that victory speech was pure gold. |
I'm sorry, I just don't see that. What you're saying is that Kerry promoted despair and umm, whatever the opposite of freedom is. I certainly didn't get that message from him. I did get a message of radical (albeit vague) change in the course of the government.
Don't get me wrong, I don't care much for Kerry either. I never felt he had a solid idea of what needed to be done, only that something needed to be done differently... not very solid for a campaign platform, akin to saying to someone "something hurts but I don't know what it is, how much it hurts nor how to make it stop".
-Nah-
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Abi
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:30 Post subject:
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LOL most of my Liberal "friends" wont reply to my phone calls or emails 
I wonder why
I am sad IRL
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Desaitar
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:32 Post subject:
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yea opposite was wrong word, just seemed all he tried to base his campaign on was insulting bush for EVERYTHING, just about no topics he said you know what, bush did a good job, that just makes for weak character in my opinion.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:33 Post subject:
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| Abi wrote: | LOL most of my Liberal "friends" wont reply to my phone calls or emails
I wonder why
I am sad IRL |
Well there's a 50/50 chance that they are either debating what the outcome of the election is going to mean to them and are sort of preoccupied with that. The other possibility is that they know you're going to gloat, and I for one, wouldn't really be in the mood for that. I'm sure they're happy for you in some way, but I know if I were an avid supporter of a candidate that lost the most that you could ask of me is to quietly accept it, but that doesn't mean I have to listen to you gloat over it.
Just a thought.
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Abi
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:34 Post subject:
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My biggest problem with Kerry, being Ex-Military, was the way he dissed basically every enlsited man by standing up on that stage with his shit-ass salute claiming to be fighting for the country he betrayed 30 years ago ...
The Demo party seriously needs to pull back from the wing states and realize their real power is in the south ... the Wing state Demo's are simply too out of touch.
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Desaitar
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:35 Post subject:
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lol, so many peeps in my class were whining, i watched bush victory speech in the depot (like food place on campus) and everyone was b*****n.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:35 Post subject:
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| Desaitar wrote: | | yea opposite was wrong word, just seemed all he tried to base his campaign on was insulting bush for EVERYTHING, just about no topics he said you know what, bush did a good job, that just makes for weak character in my opinion. |
I don't know.. as far as character goes, you're also neglecting the fact that someone who's willing to give an incumbent President a campaign as hard-fought and as close as this one was, and then more or less graciously concede the election instead of fighting tooth and nail like the esteemed Mr Gore.... I think that shows some character, and weak's not the word I'm thinking of. I think it takes a big man to win, but a bigger man to lose.
Again, I don't think he would have done a very commendable job of leading the country, but as for character, well, I like to give credit where credit is due. I doubt I could do the same were I in his shoes.
-Nah-
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Desaitar
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:36 Post subject:
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/agree abi, after getting beat so bad (pop vote) they def have to reconsider their approach to politics (this year was so bad, i can honestly say im suprised they got so many ill informed people to follow)
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Merican
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:36 Post subject:
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my friend is a liberl and it drives me apeshit. He still argues the fact, and is being a ass about it hah.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:38 Post subject:
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| Abi wrote: | | Nah .. you DO realize NO president .. demo or Rep has won as much popular vote as Bush did since like the 70's? quit pouting ... and accept it... |
That doesn't say too much, considering our rising population and overdose of "please vote" propaganda.
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Abi
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:38 Post subject:
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You don't think that shit he pulled last night was the same thing Nah?
I don't care how you crunched the numbers .. if you were being realisitc Bush had won the election after they announced FLA.. he SHOULD Have conceeded then instead of rallying his troupe of lawyers...
YES .. he finally calmed down after making everyone stay up ALL NIGHT and backed down .. but I GUARANTEE he did so VERY grudgingly ...heh
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Desaitar
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:38 Post subject:
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LOL nah, kerry had no arguement, the vote was so close with gore i really dont have much against him for trying to make sure all the votes were counted correctly, this win was for sure.
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Desaitar
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:40 Post subject:
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something i found interesting was democrats havent won majority of white votes for like 35 years, think cnn said that sometime last night
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Abi
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:41 Post subject:
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Honestly the Hispanic/Black/Union vote seemed to be more with Bush this time ... Just another sign that the Demo party needs to WAKE UP 
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Nahualli
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:42 Post subject:
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| Desaitar wrote: | | /agree abi, after getting beat so bad (pop vote) they def have to reconsider their approach to politics (this year was so bad, i can honestly say im suprised they got so many ill informed people to follow) |
Ok I realize 3 million people is a lot when you're talking about a nuclear attack or a flood, but in an election across the country.. is that really being "beaten so badly?" I tend to think it's a pretty small margin considering how many people total (estimated 130 million although I could be off) voted. In a 51%-49% win, isn't that more like something to learn from at the same time you celebrate it, rather than just celebrating it? Maybe it doesn't mean much for Bush anymore but it should say a lot to the party who won.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, I know my numbers may be off but I'd be more interested to learn why my perception is off as well.
-Nah-
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Abi
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:45 Post subject:
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That would hold true Nah .. if you didn't have history as a nice foundation...
I think the last time ANY president won over even 50% popular vote was his dad Bush 41 .. and before then I thin it was Kennedy.. and Bush 43/44 won 51% .. so yes.. it really is a HUGE deal ...
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quotison
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:45 Post subject:
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| Abi wrote: | You don't think that shit he pulled last night was the same thing Nah?
I don't care how you crunched the numbers .. if you were being realisitc Bush had won the election after they announced FLA.. he SHOULD Have conceeded then instead of rallying his troupe of lawyers...
YES .. he finally calmed down after making everyone stay up ALL NIGHT and backed down .. but I GUARANTEE he did so VERY grudgingly ...heh |
When Florida was called, only about 50% of the vote in Ohio had been counted. As shown by the 2000 election, the worst thing to do is to concede prematurely. Unfortunately some states were close enough and it took more then 10 seconds to determine the winner. There was no legal battle involved here, when the all vote was counted in Ohio and it was assured that Kerry could not win, he conceeded quick and gracefully, and I think he deserve credit for that.
That's my least favorite thing about all this. Why do we need to know the result the same day? We should vote, go to sleep, and wake up and see who is the winner then. Then people can make plans to make victory or concession speeches. It seems silly that someone would be condemned for waiting 12 hours after all the polls close in the country to make a concession speech.
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