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Posted: 05/11/05 - 16:43
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Rail gun? Sounds pretty nice IMHO. Shocked

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7365&feedId=online-news_rss091

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A gun that spits out ball bearings after spinning them to extreme speeds is being developed by a US inventor. The novel design has already caught the imagination of some defence industry experts.

The weapon, called DREAD, was invented by Charles St George, a veteran of the US firearms industry who founded the company Leader Propulsion Systems to promote the idea. He claims a major US defence company has shown an interested in developing it further and has produced a promotional video showing a prototype in action, which can be seen here (Quicktime). He says a new prototype will be developed in August 2005.

The gun consists of a mounted circular chamber that spins the metal ball bearings to high speed. A release mechanism on one side spits the balls out one behind the other, a handful at a time.

St George says the projectiles travel at around 300 metres per second upon release from the weapon, about the same speed as a handgun round. He claims a fully developed DREAD gun would be quieter than a conventional gun, less prone to malfunction, and could contain more ammunition.

DREAD also releases its balls in extremely rapid succession, which allows it to unleash formidable firepower against a target. Promotional material for DREAD states: "Due to its extraordinary high rate of fire capability, it delivers its bullets 8.5 millimetres apart, thereby delivering more mass to the target than any other weapon."

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St George would not specify the range or accuracy of the most recent prototype or explain precisely how the system works, because he says this information could be commercially sensitive.

But a patent issued to him in February 2003 has been found by Marc Abrahams, editor of science humour magazine Annals of Improbable Research. It refers to a "Weapon for Centrifugal Propulsion of Projectiles". In this design, balls are stored inside a series of narrow chambers that radiate from the centre of a circular chamber and which are rotated with the chamber at high speed.

A mechanism beneath each narrow chamber automatically manoeuvres a single ball into a smaller compartment at near its edge. When the trigger is pulled, these balls are released into a guide rail and shoot from the disc rapidly, from a hole at its edge.

"The system seams absolutely feasible," says David Crane, editor of the website DefenseReview.com. The weapon could strike targets with “overwhelming and devastating firepower - we're talking about total target saturation."

Terry Gander, who edits the defence industry journal Jane's Infantry Weapons, adds that similar concepts have been developed in the past. But Gander notes that these have had low projectile velocity and have been proposed as crowd control weapons. "It all depends on the sort of power source you have," he told New Scientist. "I'd be very interested to know what its range is."

But Abrahams finds the idea outlandish. "Anything that seems so far beyond anything else is worth a moment's thought before you completely gulp it down," he told New Scientist. "It is way out on the side of the scale that deals with high levels of imagination."


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Posted: 05/11/05 - 16:45
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The ultimate BB gun


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Frax wrote:
The ultimate BB gun


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Posted: 05/11/05 - 17:36
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I read about this a few months ago. Its freakishly powerful, the next generation weapon I think. I want one mounted on my shoulder like predator.


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Kbarr wrote:
I read about this a few months ago. Its freakishly powerful, the next generation weapon I think. I want one mounted on my shoulder like predator.



I doubt a weapon that requires spinning chambers and shit would fit on someone's shoulder.


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wellspoken wrote:
Kbarr wrote:
I read about this a few months ago. Its freakishly powerful, the next generation weapon I think. I want one mounted on my shoulder like predator.



I doubt a weapon that requires spinning chambers and shit would fit on someone's shoulder.


Yes, in time it will. Big ones for tanks, small ones as hand held weapons.


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Kbarr wrote:
wellspoken wrote:
Kbarr wrote:
I read about this a few months ago. Its freakishly powerful, the next generation weapon I think. I want one mounted on my shoulder like predator.



I doubt a weapon that requires spinning chambers and shit would fit on someone's shoulder.


Yes, in time it will. Big ones for tanks, small ones as hand held weapons.



I guess your right. But i didn't think they would be making smaller verisons of it. I would think the bigger the better for something like this.


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Posted: 05/11/05 - 17:50
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http://www.railgun.org/

You meant centripetal, right?


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Posted: 05/11/05 - 17:56
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Depending on how much mass is whipping around in a circle, I wonder if you'd get a significant gyroscope effect. Might make a handheld one a little tricky to aim - point it down and it swings left or whatever.

Maybe you could have counter-rotating circles; I didn't watch the video, so maybe they already thought of that.

I also wonder how they keep it continually balanced as it fires.


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Posted: 05/11/05 - 19:09
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It would be tricky, as the loss of the mass on one side would upset the centrepidal force, and the chamber would have to be spinning very, very fast to achieve the speed they're talking about, so it would be hard to get the next round into the chamber before the wobble gets out of hand. On the bright side, it would be pretty quiet, and could spit out a high volume of mass with much less recoil, resulting in more hits in the kill zone. Could be a hell of a weapon if done correctly.


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Posted: 05/12/05 - 15:43
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how is this thing powered?


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Posted: 05/12/05 - 18:25
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Booker wrote:
how is this thing powered?


I would guess electricity or maybe even gas, either of which would limit it's usefulness as a hand-held weapon. It wouldn't be hard to supply it enough juice if it was mounted on a tank or chopper, though!


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