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PostPosted: 11/20/03 - 00:16    Post subject: Canada's New Prime-Minister Reply with quote

http://www.canada.com/national/features/transition/story.html?id=B4C66390-A2B8-4C00-B63F-B99B79AC1A16

fock, im going to miss that french-canadian b*****d Cretian... Crying or Very sad

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Martin has fences to mend with U.S.
Time to stress agreements, not differences

Sheldon Alberts
The Ottawa Citizen


Wednesday, November 19, 2003



WASHINGTON -- Representative Earl Pomeroy knows Canada clashed with the U.S. over the war in Iraq. He knows Jean Chrétien and George W. Bush do not get along.

But the North Dakota congressman is surprised to learn that almost 2,000 Canadians are fighting the war on terrorism in Afghanistan -- right alongside Americans.

"What you just told me about the 2,000 soldiers was news to me," says Mr. Pomeroy, who co-chairs the northern border caucus in Congress and, as such, knows more about Canada than the majority of congressmen and senators in the U.S. capital.

This is part of the foreign policy legacy Mr. Chrétien leaves as he prepares to move out of 24 Sussex Drive on Dec. 12 -- Americans know more about the foreign policy issues that divide Canada and the U.S. than the areas in which the two nations share common ground.

In Congress and among Canada watchers here, there is hope that Paul Martin might restore some of the lustre to a tarnished relationship by practising a more thoughtful form of diplomacy than his predecessor.

"Maybe a rejuvenated relationship between a new prime minister and leaders in Washington will bring a more dynamic quality to our respective views on international relations," says Mr. Pomeroy, a Democrat.

"I do think the profile Canada has is a low profile -- Mr. Martin is obviously a tested and credible leader. I think he comes in strongly positioned to provide energetic new leadership."

The Canadian Embassy has been on a determined campaign in recent months to educate Americans about Canada's contributions to the war on terrorism and ongoing bilateral co-operation on issues like border security.

But the very need for Canadian diplomats to peddle the good news about Canada-U.S. relation, say experts, only underscores the damage done by Mr. Chrétien.

As he asserted Canadian independence by staying out of the war in Iraq, Mr. Chrétien also offended Americans who expected him to demonstrate more tact during the disagreement.

"Paul Martin has a public relations job to do," says Joseph Jockel, director of the Canadian Studies program at St. Lawrence University in Canton, New York.

"The problem is tone over substance right now. Even the fact that Canada didn't go into the war would have been alright if Chretien didn't handle it in such a grotesque way."

Charles Doran, director of the Center for Canadian Studies at Johns Hopkins University, said Mr. Chrétien's public comments on the war seemed to be more about tweaking the Bush administration's nose than about principled policy.

"Paul Martin has an enormous opportunity to establish a very positive tone for the relationship right at the beginning, and the way to do that is to emphasize the kinds of interactions that have been so positive," says Mr. Doran.

"What was missing with Chrétien was not the sense that Canada was separate or different. What was missing was the sense that we also have things in common. That latter theme did not get through here."

Both Mr. Doran and Mr. Jockel point to one event during the Iraq dispute that has stuck in the mind of many Americans. It was the image of Mr. Chrétien announcing Canada's opposition to the war in the House of Commons, and the ensuing standing ovation he received from Liberal, New Democrat and Bloc Québécois MPs.

"It was viewed as insulting," says Mr. Jockel. "Here was a decision that Canada' s most important ally and partner felt it had to take. For Chrétien to stand up and announce his position in such a manner was simply not the way you conduct Canada-U.S. relations."

In Washington, Mr. Martin is still a largely unknown figure outside of the civil servants who are paid to track Canada from the State Department's North America desk.

The first major decision Mr. Martin will have to make on Canada's relationship with the U.S. will be on whether to participate in the controversial ballistic missile defence system.

The Chrétien government opened talks with the U.S. last spring on the issue, but negotiations will not conclude until Mr. Martin takes office.

In terms of personal relations with Mr. Bush, Mr. Martin is likely to win a friendlier audience in the White House simply because he is not Mr. Chrétien.

"This government is in a mood here to give much more attention to bilateral relations to Canada than was true in the past," says Mr. Doran.

In part, that's because of a subtle shift in White House strategy on international relations.

Mr. Bush is increasingly courting the international community as postwar troubles persists in Iraq and he gets closer to the November 2004 presidential election.

"I'd like to think that the United States in general is more inclined to consider divergent views across the international community than has been exhibited by this administration," says Mr. Pomeroy, who voted in favour of the war in Congress.

"And I think the administration is more inclined to pay attention to international opinion now than before."

© Copyright 2003 The Ottawa Citizen
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PostPosted: 11/20/03 - 00:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11/20/03 - 00:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

basicly our new prime-minister is friends with bush. Our old one didnt get along with him at all
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PostPosted: 11/20/03 - 00:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

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canadia should get off the bowl and apply for statehood.
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PostPosted: 11/20/03 - 00:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canada > all
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PostPosted: 11/20/03 - 00:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Canada > all

eh?
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PostPosted: 11/20/03 - 01:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11/20/03 - 10:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Canada > all


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PostPosted: 11/20/03 - 10:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

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basicly our new prime-minister is friends with bush. Our old one didnt get along with him at all


Look, that's not really the case.

Cretien is an idiot. He took pride in falling out of the stupid tree and hitting every branch on the way down. Once upon a time he was clever and savvy, but he lost that years ago.

Bush, too, is an idiot. One of his first gaffes was confusing our PM with a bowl of chili-like curds (poutine).

Martin is smarter than either one. He'll make nice with Bush and do what he can to continue to strengthen the Canadian dollar as well as relations between the two countries.
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PostPosted: 11/20/03 - 13:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

i can't fathom why Americans hate Canada so much.

if i was to meet you on the street, would you kick my ass because I am Canadian? I've travelled to the states on numerous occasions, mostly on the eastern coast, New York, Virginia Beach, Florida etc etc. and honestly...if you took an American blindfolded him and dropped him off in the middle of Montreal, Vancouver, Ottawa, Toronto or most other larger cities in Canada he'd probably still think he was in the States, although he may get a hint in Montreal because of the french hehe.

Alright, our armed forces aren't very powerful, but we've contributed amazing amounts of manpower in both world wars...thousands and thousands of our people died for the same noble cause that your people died for. Why are we lesser? do you think we don't honor veterans day? do you think that because we haven't grown in the same economic and military might that the United States have, that we are a lesser nation? that we are lesser human beings? that we deserve to be absorbed by you? do you think we do not have our own history, our own traditions, holidays, and memories to be proud of and honor? for some reason most americans think of Canada, and think beavers and moose.

I do agree that our soon to be former prime minister chose the wrong path in many ways, and i've never been all too fond of him, and hope that his predecessor does a better job. I do think that our govournment should've gone into Iraq, however we do have a military presence there, those 2,000 soldiers for one, as well as peacekeepers which if i remember correctly have been present in Iraq and Afghanistan pre, and post 9/11.

either way, i think there are many uneducated assumptions about Canada in the United States.

We're our own nation with just as much history and honor as you. Our mothers and fathers bled on many of the same fields of battle as yours. Is the mourning of our parents for the loss of a son defending the right to freedom on a foreign beach, any less than yours? no.

also, Kbarr...i do respect you quite a bit, i respect all officers of the law...well...the non-corrupt ones anyway, and i agree with you on many things, but i think you may have a distorted view of the nation you seem to think as just another state.
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PostPosted: 11/20/03 - 13:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

And weed is no longer decriminalized (sp)!
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PostPosted: 11/20/03 - 13:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

Renaij wrote:
i can't fathom why Americans hate Canada so much.

if i was to meet you on the street, would you kick my ass because I am Canadian? I've travelled to the states on numerous occasions, mostly on the eastern coast, New York, Virginia Beach, Florida etc etc. and honestly...if you took an American blindfolded him and dropped him off in the middle of Montreal, Vancouver, Ottawa, Toronto or most other larger cities in Canada he'd probably still think he was in the States, although he may get a hint in Montreal because of the french hehe.

Alright, our armed forces aren't very powerful, but we've contributed amazing amounts of manpower in both world wars...thousands and thousands of our people died for the same noble cause that your people died for. Why are we lesser? do you think we don't honor veterans day? do you think that because we haven't grown in the same economic and military might that the United States have, that we are a lesser nation? that we are lesser human beings? that we deserve to be absorbed by you? do you think we do not have our own history, our own traditions, holidays, and memories to be proud of and honor? for some reason most americans think of Canada, and think beavers and moose.

I do agree that our soon to be former prime minister chose the wrong path in many ways, and i've never been all too fond of him, and hope that his predecessor does a better job. I do think that our govournment should've gone into Iraq, however we do have a military presence there, those 2,000 soldiers for one, as well as peacekeepers which if i remember correctly have been present in Iraq and Afghanistan pre, and post 9/11.

either way, i think there are many uneducated assumptions about Canada in the United States.

We're our own nation with just as much history and honor as you. Our mothers and fathers bled on many of the same fields of battle as yours. Is the mourning of our parents for the loss of a son defending the right to freedom on a foreign beach, any less than yours? no.

also, Kbarr...i do respect you quite a bit, i respect all officers of the law...well...the non-corrupt ones anyway, and i agree with you on many things, but i think you may have a distorted view of the nation you seem to think as just another state.

There wasn't much anti-Canadian sentiment in the US. Mostly we made fun of you (but when I was in Canada they did the same to Americans). Apparently there was some genuine underlying resentment though, because Your politicians starting comparing America to Nazi Germany after 9/11 because you're such peacenicks that you're too wussy to defend your own country. Now we resent you. We were kicked in the groin and you laughed at us. Now f**k you.
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nws your correct, there i believe was one politician who made a comparison like that but was quickly renounced, and he apologized, as far as i can remember, thats accurate.

i agree with you, we should've backed our largest allies in the war, simply because for the most part i think the end result of the work being done will be a good one, but what you must realise is that the vast majority (according to what was being said on the radio) of canadians didn't agree with the prime-minister.

also that we do have a military, and peacekeeping presence in the middle east before, and since the beginning of the war on terrorism.

and the anti-canadianism has been around a lot longer than since what happened with Iraq. ya, joke about us all you want, i can laugh at a joke as much as the next guy, even when its against me, because i'll snap one right back at ya usually, if i can think of one...but when someone completely and honestly believes that canada needs to relinquish our nation because yours is more militarily and economically powerful, it crosses a line.

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you're such peacenicks that you're too wussy to defend your own country. Now we resent you.



if the U.S. attacked Canada, you'd obliterate us...i'm not denying that fact...but we would fight, just as we have fought for freedom across the globe in the past, on the very same battlefields your forefathers have. and frankly, i'm sick of many of you looking down on the sacrifices we've made, just as you have.

more of your own people laughed and protested about the war, than ours did as a matter of fact...we laughed at you? I think not. what we could afford was already in afghanistan.

theres a reason why cretian is leaving office...because no one likes him, one of the major factors is about the war, and the hindered relations to our closest neighbours and largest ally. No one here was laughing at you.

*shrug* i love the states, i love canada. I hate bigots.
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PostPosted: 11/21/03 - 00:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

Renaij wrote:


also, Kbarr...i do respect you quite a bit, i respect all officers of the law...well...the non-corrupt ones anyway, and i agree with you on many things, but i think you may have a distorted view of the nation you seem to think as just another state.


Um, I'm kidding when I say that. I have visited Canada many times and always had a great time. America and Canada are connected at the hip no matter how stupid your leaders are:)

I just don't have time for anti-American/socialist/french canadians.

And there seem to be a lot of them that post here.

So, in a spirit of togetherness and love I offer a pug puppy to all Pro-American Canadians!



And stomach cancer to all anti-American canadians!

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If it weren't for all the peeing, I'd get my little Annie a pug friend. Sad
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I have to get a new partner for mine too. This March I think.
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i figured as much kbarr hehe

we have a talk radio station here in Montreal, and they did 2 broadcasts where essentially they were on air with a station in New York 101.5 (i think i can't remember, but that rings a bell) , so that both the hosts, and the callers from each area could speak to each other on air...Canada was ridiculed in every way/shape/form that the canadian announcer pulled the plug, because it was supposed to be a serious discussion about the U.S. / Canada relations, but even the American hosts were jabbing and saying we were just another state. Now i realise the callers and hosts of the American show don't represent the entirety of the American public, but its was disturbing none the less...and it happened twice with 2 different stations, and after that they promised not to do it anymore hehe.

sorry bout your dog btw Kbarr...i had a dalmatian years ago, and developed some skin disease that woulda cost 2500+ dollars to fix without any guarantee that it woiuldn't happen again...we simply couldn't afford it, so we brought the dog back to the breeder...he said OK, and clubbed him right in front of us...i was like 13, and f*****g traumatized...he just killed my dog...he also threatened to kill my dad, and we had to go to the cops and get a restraining order type of deal. sucked.
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PostPosted: 11/21/03 - 12:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now i realise the callers and hosts of the American show don't represent the entirety of the American public, but its was disturbing none the less

Yeah, they pretty much do.
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...he said OK, and clubbed him right in front of us...


You know, if done right, thats more humane than how the pound does it. They suffocate it by sucking ther air out of a chamber, I would rather get knocked out. But that guy sounds like he needs a beating just for the hell of it.
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ya i guess its quick and painless but he really didn't need to do it in front of the family who came to love him, but simply couldn't afford to fix him.

oh well

i'm dog-sitting this gorgeous female collie (sp?) right now, i just got outta the yard playing ball, and trained her to actually bring it back haha, she'd go run and then come back, and i'd act angry and slowly walk to the ball pick it up walk back, throw it again, if she brought it back i scratched her ears and stuff, now she brings it back everytime! and if she drops it she turns around and gets it...fun!
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Renaij wrote:
ya i guess its quick and painless but he really didn't need to do it in front of the family who came to love him, but simply couldn't afford to fix him.

oh well

i'm dog-sitting this gorgeous female collie (sp?) right now, i just got outta the yard playing ball, and trained her to actually bring it back haha, she'd go run and then come back, and i'd act angry and slowly walk to the ball pick it up walk back, throw it again, if she brought it back i scratched her ears and stuff, now she brings it back everytime! and if she drops it she turns around and gets it...fun!

Who the f**k cares? The dog was Canadian, right?
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They are quick studies, collies.
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PostPosted: 11/21/03 - 15:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frostkiss wrote:
And weed is no longer decriminalized (sp)!


What is the state of that in canada now? I thought the pm was going to legalize, but then I heard of a court decision. Is there drug tourism in canada yet?
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