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Goraz
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 Posted: 02/24/04 - 11:51 Post subject: Bush speaks on gay marriage
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anyone watching this?
basically he wants to add an amendment to the constitution
regarding f*g marriage
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lodie
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 11:53 Post subject:
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won't pass - even if half of all americans HATE f*****g FAGGOTY f****t m***********s, two-thirds vote is required (or three-fourths, depends on how you're workin' it).
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Luturb
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 11:55 Post subject:
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Waste of time, money, and energy IMO.
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Confused
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 12:04 Post subject:
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| lodie wrote: | | won't pass - even if half of all americans HATE f*****g FAGGOTY f****t m***********s, two-thirds vote is required (or three-fourths, depends on how you're workin' it). |
over 2/3 support a constitutional ban.
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Jakanden
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 12:06 Post subject:
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What is with this Anti-gay sentiment? People need to get over it and worry about themselves, not wether or not gay people should get married. My ex-roomates are a gay couple and they were some of the coolest people I ever knew - if they wanted to get married, Id say let them.
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Confused
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 12:10 Post subject:
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| Jakanden wrote: | | What is with this Anti-gay sentiment? People need to get over it and worry about themselves, not wether or not gay people should get married. My ex-roomates are a gay couple and they were some of the coolest people I ever knew - if they wanted to get married, Id say let them. |
You're in the less than 1/3 minority.
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Jakanden
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 12:14 Post subject:
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| Phoenix wrote: |
You're in the less than 1/3 minority. |
And that has what effect on my views?
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Confused
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 12:17 Post subject:
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| Jakanden wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: |
You're in the less than 1/3 minority. |
And that has what effect on my views? |
Did I say, "You're in the less than 1/3 minority, therefore you must change your views"?
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Rennol
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 12:18 Post subject:
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2/3 of people are not for a constitutional ban, way to pull those numbers out of your ass.
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Jakanden
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 12:20 Post subject:
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| Phoenix wrote: | | Jakanden wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: |
You're in the less than 1/3 minority. |
And that has what effect on my views? |
Did I say, "You're in the less than 1/3 minority, therefore you must change your views"? |
No but it was a pointless to say "You are in the minority" as it really doesnt make a difference if I am or not.
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Confused
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 12:21 Post subject:
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| Jakanden wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: | | Jakanden wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: |
You're in the less than 1/3 minority. |
And that has what effect on my views? |
Did I say, "You're in the less than 1/3 minority, therefore you must change your views"? |
No but it was a pointless to say "You are in the minority" as it really doesnt make a difference if I am or not. |
Sure it does. Unless we live in anarchy. Seems like many judges nowadays want that, though. They've thrown out the law.
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Jakanden
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 12:26 Post subject:
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I just realized your NWS arent you. I recognize the pointless posts now. Albiet I should have seen it sooner but I never really paid attention to you =)
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quotison
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 12:47 Post subject:
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| Phoenix wrote: | | lodie wrote: | | won't pass - even if half of all americans HATE f*****g FAGGOTY f****t m***********s, two-thirds vote is required (or three-fourths, depends on how you're workin' it). |
over 2/3 support a constitutional ban. |
Bush will never get a constitutional amendment passed banning gay marriages.
You also need 3/4 of the states legislators to pass it too, although I don't think he could get it passed the senate and the house.
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sinrakin
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They haven't even passed the Equal Rights amendment for women, have they? If they can't pass that, I doubt they could pass this. Americans are pretty careful about amending the Constitution.
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Confused
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 13:01 Post subject:
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| quotison wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: | | lodie wrote: | | won't pass - even if half of all americans HATE f*****g FAGGOTY f****t m***********s, two-thirds vote is required (or three-fourths, depends on how you're workin' it). |
over 2/3 support a constitutional ban. |
Bush will never get a constitutional amendment passed banning gay marriages.
You also need 3/4 of the states legislators to pass it too, although I don't think he could get it passed the senate and the house. |
I actually agree with you. It wll be difficult and near impossible to pass. Even I didn't want an amendment 6 months ago because I didn't want to sully the constitution with **** perversion. I want one now because judges are completely disregarding state laws and constitutions and circumventing the law to pass their own agenda on an unwilling public. What sucks is that we allow a small handful of judges control laws that the populous is supposed to define. It's come to the point that 25% of the country is the majority because they simply pass laws through the courts.
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lauren000
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 13:10 Post subject:
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| Luturb wrote: | | Waste of time, money, and energy IMO. |
define Bush in a sentence
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killswitch
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 13:17 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | | They haven't even passed the Equal Rights amendment for women, have they? If they can't pass that, I doubt they could pass this. Americans are pretty careful about amending the Constitution. |
Whether it passes or not is irrelevant. Just the fact that he stood up for it is gonna get him some points with his political base (the religious right, or as they describe themselves "the moral majority"). At the end of the day that is all Rove really wanted out of the deal to keep Bush's core supporters happy by letting them know that he is still on their side.
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Tinladar
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 13:33 Post subject:
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| quotison wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: | | lodie wrote: | | won't pass - even if half of all americans HATE f*****g FAGGOTY f****t m***********s, two-thirds vote is required (or three-fourths, depends on how you're workin' it). |
over 2/3 support a constitutional ban. |
Bush will never get a constitutional amendment passed banning gay marriages.
You also need 3/4 of the states legislators to pass it too, although I don't think he could get it passed the senate and the house. |
-10 points!
passed = approved, went by.. "I passed Noel in the hall." "I passed my english final."
past = through, referring to a period in time older than this one..
"The bill went past the senate and the house."
"Quit living in the past."
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Tex
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 14:02 Post subject:
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Over 2/3 of Americans are against gay marriage, unfortunately the percentage of people supporting an amendment is much smaller.
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bloodblech
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 14:40 Post subject:
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i think i saw some numbers 56% against and 44% for gay marriage that is definitly not 2/3rds
its f*****g retarded that gay marriage is illegal
my roommate is gay and he is cool as f**k and so are most of his friends
they give me free drugs and he doesnt have a problem with me doing any drugs in the apt or having people over getting crunked on diesel at 6am
if you think gay marriage should be illegal you are a f*****g retard
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Zuldane
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 14:48 Post subject:
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I don't see what the big deal is with this recently, this is getting to be blown out of proportion more than the janet jackson b******t
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Roskoe
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| Bloodbelch wrote: | i think i saw some numbers 56% against and 44% for gay marriage that is definitly not 2/3rds
its f*****g retarded that gay marriage is illegal
my roommate is gay and he is cool as f**k and so are most of his friends
they give me free drugs and he doesnt have a problem with me doing any drugs in the apt or having people over getting crunked on diesel at 6am
if you think gay marriage should be illegal you are a f*****g retard |
He gives you free drugs so you pass out so then he can have his way with you.
Maybe that's where the ass pimples come from. Him f*****g you in the ass all night, spanking your ass then blowing his load all over you ass cheeks.
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bloodblech
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 14:53 Post subject:
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| Roskoe wrote: | | Bloodbelch wrote: | i think i saw some numbers 56% against and 44% for gay marriage that is definitly not 2/3rds
its f*****g retarded that gay marriage is illegal
my roommate is gay and he is cool as f**k and so are most of his friends
they give me free drugs and he doesnt have a problem with me doing any drugs in the apt or having people over getting crunked on diesel at 6am
if you think gay marriage should be illegal you are a f*****g retard |
He gives you free drugs so you pass out so then he can have his way with you.
Maybe that's where the ass pimples come from. Him f*****g you in the ass all night, spanking your ass then blowing his load all over you ass cheeks. |
im sure you are j*********f to the thought of that right now
you f*****g f****t
i am suprised that you respond like this after i posted that i support marriages of people of your ****
go f**k a lil boy
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Bronze
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 14:56 Post subject:
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| Bloodbelch wrote: | i think i saw some numbers 56% against and 44% for gay marriage that is definitly not 2/3rds
its f*****g retarded that gay marriage is illegal
my roommate is gay and he is cool as f**k and so are most of his friends
they give me free drugs and he doesnt have a problem with me doing any drugs in the apt or having people over getting crunked on diesel at 6am
if you think gay marriage should be illegal you are a f*****g retard |
man you make me ashamed of my views when you say retarded shit that like.
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Nahualli
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It could backfire on Bush very, very badly. Right now the sentiment from moderate convervatives and most democrats is that this shouldn't take center stage in an election year. It's been suggested by a few people that Bush is using this to cover his lack of things to bring to table in a bid to get re-elected.
If this fails, it will look ten times worse for him, he not only tried to divert attention from the real issues in an election year, he failed at that too.
I'll just sit and watch what happens. People like WNWS crack me up. Just because a handful of people saw that the way things work in this country is not fair and decided to change that, we're all liberal conspirators now. I'm surprised you even proposed to your girlfriend. Given your views of other people with whom you have share this planet with like-it-or-not, you should have just hit the b***h over the head with your club and dragged her off to your f*****g cave.
Cro-Magnons died out ages ago, why the hell are you still around?
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Confused
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 15:30 Post subject:
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| Nahualli wrote: | It could backfire on Bush very, very badly. Right now the sentiment from moderate convervatives and most democrats is that this shouldn't take center stage in an election year. It's been suggested by a few people that Bush is using this to cover his lack of things to bring to table in a bid to get re-elected.
If this fails, it will look ten times worse for him, he not only tried to divert attention from the real issues in an election year, he failed at that too.
I'll just sit and watch what happens. People like WNWS crack me up. Just because a handful of people saw that the way things work in this country is not fair and decided to change that, we're all liberal conspirators now. I'm surprised you even proposed to your girlfriend. Given your views of other people with whom you have share this planet with like-it-or-not, you should have just hit the b***h over the head with your club and dragged her off to your f*****g cave.
Cro-Magnons died out ages ago, why the hell are you still around?
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Not fair? b******t. The law states in California and Massachusetts that gay marriage is banned. Judges have "interpreted" the Massachusetts state constitution to be in line with their own anti-societal views, even though no such wordage restricts a ban on gay marriage. In your own f****d up state, judges simply refused to uphold the law. The framers made the constitutional amendable because this possibility exists. This is a constitutional crisis and must be fixed.
Put yourself in the vast majority's shoes and imagine that 70% of America is gay. Imagine that a California court said it is unconstitutional to ban assault on gay people because they're gay. Then a Massachusetts court said that the murder of gay people cannot be banned. What would be your approach? "Oh, well the courts said it's ok..." I highly doubt it.
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Starks
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Marriage being defined as the union of a man and a woman stems 100% from religion. That being said, the government is supposed to be secular. If you want to ban gay marriages, might as well throw away the whole constitution and adopt the bible. Don't get me wrong, I do not like to see homosexuality, but I can't tell a person how to live their lives. It seems to me more and more people who support Bush want to give up their personal liberties and have the government even more involved with your everyday life. If you do support Bush, quit calling yourself a patriot, consider yourself an anti-constitutionalist.
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| Nahualli wrote: | It could backfire on Bush very, very badly. Right now the sentiment from moderate convervatives and most democrats is that this shouldn't take center stage in an election year. It's been suggested by a few people that Bush is using this to cover his lack of things to bring to table in a bid to get re-elected.
If this fails, it will look ten times worse for him, he not only tried to divert attention from the real issues in an election year, he failed at that too.
I'll just sit and watch what happens. People like WNWS crack me up. Just because a handful of people saw that the way things work in this country is not fair and decided to change that, we're all liberal conspirators now. I'm surprised you even proposed to your girlfriend. Given your views of other people with whom you have share this planet with like-it-or-not, you should have just hit the b***h over the head with your club and dragged her off to your f*****g cave.
Cro-Magnons died out ages ago, why the hell are you still around?
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ahh not quite, it will never reach a vote before the election, he will already have won or lost by the time this passes or fails, its a very good move for him in all. He was losing touch with his conservative base and this will bring them back in, while not losing him any real votes. The people who feel very strongly about gays marrying are liberal for the most part. This amendment could very easily pass, people are not happy with the courts right now at all for various reasons, the civil rights movement is dead or dieing. I really think if it reachs a popular vote it will pass, people wont view it as opressing gays to give them civil unions instead of marriage. Even MA one of the most liberal states cant pass anything on gay marriage and they had to move to civil unions only.
Gays are a small minority, and with bushs plan they really arent denied any rights other than getting to use the term married.
The amendment process is fairly complicated, there are 2 ways to do it but the constitutional convention way has never been used. The way they all were passed was :
The first method is for a bill to pass both halves of the legislature, by a two-thirds majority in each. Once the bill has passed both houses, it goes on to the states. This is the route taken by all current amendments. Because of some long outstanding amendments, such as the 27th, Congress will normally put a time limit (typically seven years) for the bill to be approved as an amendment (for example, see the 21st and 22nd).
However it only needs to pass in 3/4ths of the states to be added, so you dont need all the states to pass it, the most liberal states probably wont but alot of the smaller states and southern states will pass it, another interesting thing is that once its out of the house all states are on equal footing for opinion on it. In the senate everyone has 2 senators and the state votes all count equally.
Gays are not sympathized with all that much, most people out of ignorance usually think its an optional thing so people telling them that its bad and hurting the countrys morals will pull alot of people in, the race wont be defined by it but it will be up there in peoples minds. And the thing is John Kerry really only has the option of backing president bush on it because as a candidate he is forced to opose gay marriage, that will pull in ALOT of people onto the side of passing the amendment. His only option is to say this is not the time for this debate because he wont say he suports gay marriage. It could seriously hurt the dems to not vote for this amendment. Because remember while you need 2/3 to get the amendment you only need >1/2 to not be re-elected. It will easily pass the house and senate because of this, 60 percent in favor is plenty to get it by because of the politics of it, people wont vote for someone who they feel is hurting their morals, the politicians dont have the shields the judges do. you alienate 60 percent of your voter base on an issue they think is important you lose.
Another interesting thing is it will never go directly to the ballots. they are passed by state legislature or a state convention.
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Confused
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| Starks wrote: | | Marriage being defined as the union of a man and a woman stems 100% from religion. That being said, the government is supposed to be secular. If you want to ban gay marriages, might as well throw away the whole constitution and adopt the bible. Don't get me wrong, I do not like to see homosexuality, but I can't tell a person how to live their lives. It seems to me more and more people who support Bush want to give up their personal liberties and have the government even more involved with your everyday life. If you do support Bush, quit calling yourself a patriot, consider yourself an anti-constitutionalist. |
It does not stem from religion. It stems from western culture. Pre-Christian Rome defined marriage as between a man and a woman and we all know there was plenty of gayness back then. Pre-Christ Judea defined marriage as between one man and one woman. Christ was hardly popular back then, now was he? Mormonism attempted to redefine marriage as between a man and many women, but our western culture prevented that.
Secondly, the government is not "supposed to be secular." The constitution simply says the government may not establish a national religion. The government was founded by religious people who understood the desires for religious freedom in the new world. The goal was not to eliminate the whole concept of religion.
Thirdly, nowhere in the constitution does it imply that gays should be given the right to marry because something so heinous was not conceived until Mtv so recently captured the minds of America's youth. To deny the citizens the right to have a ban on gay marriage is denying their constitutional rights. Judges have taken it upon themselves to do this.
Fourthly...You are implying that amending the constitution is anti-constitutional. Please review article V.
I find it amazing how wrong someone can be in a single post.
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Posted: 02/24/04 - 15:59 Post subject:
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Why are you so vehemently opposed to gay marriage? Are you a closet homosexual?
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