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lauren000
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 10:18 Post subject: Bush's Spending Plan
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Wow 65 cuts to social programs including education. More military spending, and more tax cuts for the rich. I can understand defense funding, because our troops work their asses off for little appreciation, but permanate tax cuts for the rich while cutting the other social programs people rely on. And his plan is still 300 billion over budget.
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Source La times http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-budget3feb03,1,7309284.story?coll=la-home-headlines ( link may not work if you aren't registered to read it). I saw the article on the front page of my local paper and decided to look up the original.
PRESIDENT BUSH'S BUDGET PLAN
Both Sides Fault Bush's Budget Plan
The $2.4-trillion election-year proposal embraces deficit spending but is meant to reassure conservatives with fiscal discipline.
The budget, which provides a window into what Bush would do if elected to a second term, calls for continuing the robust expansion of defense and homeland security spending that has been the hallmark of his administration.
Bush also called for consolidating one of the biggest accomplishments of his first term in the White House — the tax cuts enacted in 2001. He proposed making permanent the sweeping cuts, which are to expire before the end of the decade
The budget is the opening shot of an election-year battle as Bush's proposals make their way through the Republican-controlled House and Senate. It will set up the debate between the parties, and will help Bush build support within his own party.
For conservative Republicans, Bush's budget is intended to show a renewed commitment to their cause of fiscal discipline. Many of them have been disillusioned with budget policies that they consider profligate. But the budget also includes increases for education and arts funding, which appeals to swing voters and moderate Republicans.
Bush built his new budget for the year that begins Oct. 1 around the goal of reducing this year's $521-billion deficit by half within five years — mostly by imposing a virtual freeze on spending for everything but national defense, homeland security and federal benefits.
"The government must exercise fiscal responsibility by limiting spending growth, focusing on the results of government programs and cutting wasteful spending," Bush said in his formal budget message.
Some conservative critics remain unimpressed, saying Bush's budget does not go far enough to curb Medicare, Social Security and other big benefit programs.
"I see almost nothing good about this budget," said William A. Niskanen, chairman of the Cato Institute, a libertarian research group. "This is big-government conservatism."
Even if Bush succeeded in his proposal to reduce the deficit to $237 billion in 2009, the gap would still be bigger than in all but three years over the last generation. But the cuts Bush proposes — including the elimination of 65 programs — may go too far for many in Congress, where even Republicans warn that it is unrealistic to expect lawmakers to squeeze popular programs in an election year.
"It is all fantasy," said a senior House Republican aide.
What's more, the budget probably understates future deficits because it does not include funding for several initiatives that administration and congressional officials expect or hope to be enacted. Most notably, it includes no funding for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan — an expense that Pentagon officials said could exceed $50 billion in 2005.
The budget also makes no provision for Bush's idea of reforming Social Security to allow people to invest part of their payroll taxes in individual investment accounts, an initiative that could cost more than $1.24 trillion over 10 years for the transition to a new system. Although Bush is expected to campaign on the politically volatile issue, he is not pushing wary Republicans to act on it before the election.
"It's a subject of such great sensitivity and broad political interest that we need to get the political debate going on it before there's an actual legislative proposal sent up to the Hill," said Joshua Bolton, Bush's budget director.
Democrats criticized the budget for omitting many likely expenses, saying it undercut Bush's claim to be serious about reducing the deficit.
"This budget is neither credible nor realistic because it omits so many costly items," said Rep. John M. Spratt Jr. of South Carolina, the ranking Democrat on the House Budget Committee.
On the presidential campaign trail, Bush's Democratic rivals portrayed his budget as an advertisement for why voters should not reelect him.
"George W. Bush comes out of the White House to deliver his budget, and once again, all of America falls in a deep, dark shadow of deficit," said Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut. "We can't afford another four years of the same destructive fiscal leadership."
Retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark said it laid bare Bush's priorities: "Tax cuts for the rich and tough luck for everyone else."
Bush's proposals could be substantially revised as Congress writes its budget this spring and implements it with spending and tax bills.
Bush portrayed this budget, like his last two, as driven by the exigencies of the war in Iraq and the struggle against terrorism.
"Our nation remains at war," Bush said. "This nation has committed itself to the long war against terror."
Although he has argued in previous years that balancing the budget should not be a top priority while the nation is at war and in a recession, he is now putting more emphasis on reducing the deficit, which he projects will peak this year at $521 billion.
His budget estimates that his policies will bring the deficit down to $364 billion in 2005 and $237 billion by 2009. The deficit as measured as a share of the economy — a yardstick that many economists say is a more significant gauge of the deficit's effect — would drop from 4.5% of the gross domestic product in 2004 to 1.6% in 2009.
The administration expects the deficit to drop in part because of increased revenue from an improving economy. The budget also calls for cuts that would come almost entirely from "discretionary" spending — programs whose budgets are controlled by Congress in appropriations bills.
But that is less than one-fifth of the federal budget, the rest flowing through "entitlement" programs such as Medicare and Social Security.
Even some Republicans are bridling at Bush's focus on the discretionary programs. They warn that freezing that small part of the budget will do little to reduce the deficit.
"While I am dedicated to developing fiscally conservative budgets, no one should expect significant deficit reduction as a result of austere non-defense discretionary spending limits," said House Appropriations Chairman C.W. "Bill" Young (R-Fla.). "The numbers simply do not add up."
Although the centerpiece of last year's $2.2-trillion budget plan was a big tax cut to stimulate the economy, this year's budget includes little more than retreads of past proposals that have languished in Congress.
The president's top priority is to permanently extend most of the tax cuts of 2001 and 2003. Bush also is recycling proposals to increase tax incentives for savings.
In setting spending policy, Bush has made room for increases in his top priorities — defense, homeland security and education — while squeezing other areas. Six of the Cabinet's 15 departments would see their budgets cut, with Agriculture taking the biggest hit:
• Defense: The Pentagon would be the big winner if Congress approves Bush's request to boost defense spending by 7% to $401.7 billion. That would be the seventh straight year of defense budget increases, a string unseen since the end of World War II.
And more money is on the way because the budget does not include funds for continuing military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pentagon officials said it could cost more than $50 billion more if troops remain there in force. They expect to send a supplemental budget request to Congress early in 2005.
• Homeland Security: Programs across the government would see a $6 billion-increase to $47.4 billion. That includes increased spending on intelligence, technology, border protection and bioterrorism preparedness.
The budget would overhaul and cut spending for programs that deliver aid to state and local law enforcement agencies. The principal local aid programs would be reduced from $4.4 billion to $3.6 billion. However, the budget would restructure the program to provide a 60% increase in aid to highly populated areas such as Southern California.
The Justice Department would also get a big increase for anti-terror programs. But that would be partially offset by proposed cuts in other programs that are popular with members of Congress, including grants for community-oriented policing programs.
• Education: The department would receive a 3% increase — to $57.3 billion — under Bush's budget, the biggest boost for a Cabinet department not handling security issues. That includes $1 billion in increases for programs aiding disadvantaged and handicapped students.
• Space: In keeping with Bush's vow to reinvigorate America's space program, NASA's budget would increase nearly 6%, most of it aimed at his long-term plan to build a base on the moon and explore Mars.
The money would be gradually shifted from programs in Earth orbit such as the space shuttle, which is scheduled to be retired at the end of the decade.
• Environment: The Environmental Protection Agency is targeted for one of the largest cuts of any agency — $606 million, or 7% of its budget — most of it aimed at water quality programs.
The largest single cut — $492 million — would come from money for sewage treatment plants. Congress has rejected past Bush efforts to cut water-quality programs.
• Health and Human Services: Programs to promote marriage and **** abstinence are among the biggest winners in the department's budget proposal. Funding for abstinence-only **** education would be doubled to $270 million; a new $50-million grant program for faith-based organizations would promote "responsible fatherhood and healthy marriage," and $120 million would be devoted to research and pilot projects designed to promote marriage and stable families among low-income Americans.
The Food and Drug Administration would spend an additional $60 million to protect the nation's food supply from natural and terrorism-related pathogens. An additional $8 million would be devoted to efforts to prevent mad cow disease.
The budget also calls for tax credits and tax-free savings accounts to expand the availability of healthcare and make health insurance more affordable. The administration's 10-year, $70-billion proposal for refundable health insurance tax credits is $19 billion lower than last year's proposal.
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Paco
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 10:22 Post subject:
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so?
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lauren000
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 10:26 Post subject:
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He is spending like a swedish socialist you moron. Why don't you keep smoking pot and stay out of politics.
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 10:31 Post subject:
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| lauren000 wrote: |
He is spending like a swedish socialist you moron. Why don't you keep smoking pot and stay out of politics. |
Eunuch, kill yourself.
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 10:40 Post subject:
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disappointing but he is still 10 times better than anyone else out there
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Kaladam
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 11:46 Post subject:
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Education is getting an increase in spending.
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 14:29 Post subject:
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i was listening to NPR last night and they were b******g because Bush wants to spend billions on a new fighter plane and surface to air missle interceptors . They were saying that is all cold war shit. We needed these things when we were fighting with the USSR. now we are fighting on the ground against people who have no problem killing themselfs to kill you. What we need to spend the money on is stuff like better armoured hummers and high tech ground gear. Fact is there are no real countries out there where we are going to be in alot of air to air dog fights and even if we do, our planes are baddass now anyways . the billions could be better spent on more practical things
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Paco
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 14:31 Post subject:
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| lauren000 wrote: |
He is spending like a swedish socialist you moron. Why don't you keep smoking pot and stay out of politics. |
lol, are you even old enough to vote?
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Kaladam
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 15:58 Post subject:
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| Brash wrote: | | What we need to spend the money on is stuff like better armoured hummers and high tech ground gear. Fact is there are no real countries out there where we are going to be in alot of air to air dog fights and even if we do, our planes are baddass now anyways . the billions could be better spent on more practical things |
Look at the defense budget instead of listening to NPR. We are buying about 800 up-armored humvees (and at the tune of about or over 100k a vehicle, thats a good amount of them). And as to high tech ground gear, look at the amount of money they are spending on the RnD for that stuff. 14 million on advanced nightvision, 14 million on soldier survivability, 2 BILLION on armored systems modernization. Then theres also the massive amount of money being spent on the new type of satellite that can see almost any movement on the ground, as well as the new type of laser radio that basically makes any type of communication possible for ground troops, as well as all the money they are spending on developing the objective force warrior. They are spending shitloads on new ground technology.
And about going air to air and sea to sea with other countries, North Korea has a descent air force, and I wouldn't be surprised to see us going after them in a few years.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 16:06 Post subject:
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overall I think bush is a decent pres, but i love the absitence funding, what a worthless waste of money, i wonder when they are finally gonna realize abstinence is BS and hasnt worked.. EVER and change the **** ed programs to be more useful.
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Bait Masterson
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 17:21 Post subject:
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You know what I dont undderstand?
The whole tax cuts/incentives for the rich being a evil thing.
it all boils down to this.
Rich people employ me, Rich people employ you.
Rich people get f*****g raped in taxes right now, if you have some rich friends you already know this. They pay the most taxes while being the smallest minority.
Cut the rich some slack man, just they are the haves doesnt mean you should work to make them the have nots, They area big part of what makes the USA great.
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 17:33 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | lol, are you even old enough to vote? |
The question is do you possess the dexterity and iq to be able to punch a hole in the ballot without spilling bongwater all over yourself?
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 17:45 Post subject:
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| KapnKimchi wrote: | | Quote: | | lol, are you even old enough to vote? |
The question is do you possess the dexterity and iq to be able to punch a hole in the ballot without spilling bongwater all over yourself?  |
I love how people support their political opinions with personal attacks.
Why don't you all kill yourselves and/or go join the slave market in Zimbabwe.
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lauren000
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 21:21 Post subject:
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| Bait Masterson wrote: | You know what I dont undderstand?
The whole tax cuts/incentives for the rich being a evil thing.
it all boils down to this.
Rich people employ me, Rich people employ you.
Rich people get f*****g raped in taxes right now, if you have some rich friends you already know this. They pay the most taxes while being the smallest minority.
Cut the rich some slack man, just they are the haves doesnt mean you should work to make them the have nots, They area big part of what makes the USA great. |
my family falls into the 38% tax bracket so shut your mouth about the rich paying so much. The filthy rich don't pay shit for taxes.
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 21:23 Post subject:
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Hey, did they mention the millions he's spending this year to 'promote marriage?'
LoL he's the biggest fiscal liberal since FDR, and he's not fooling anyone.
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Bait Masterson
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 21:32 Post subject:
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my family falls into the 38% tax bracket so shut your mouth about the rich paying so much. The filthy rich don't pay shit for taxes. |
Sir, I disagree, you say your family , I doubt highly that you discuss what your family makes and they let you in on what thier tax burden really is.
In fact I doubt that you have ever held a job that has paid 10% over minumum wage so What the f**k would you know about taxes.
Am I wrong? Could be but I doubt it.
My best friend is quite wealthy, ive seen the taxes he pays, he files f*****g quarterly to meet his burden. I stand by what I say, Rich people pay the majority of taxes in America and they deserve a break no matter what your ignorant ass thinks.
Pull out some statistics and prove me wrong.
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lauren000
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 21:38 Post subject:
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| Bait Masterson wrote: | | lauren000 wrote: |
my family falls into the 38% tax bracket so shut your mouth about the rich paying so much. The filthy rich don't pay shit for taxes. |
Sir, I disagree, you say your family , I doubt highly that you discuss what your family makes and they let you in on what thier tax burden really is.
In fact I doubt that you have ever held a job that has paid 10% over minumum wage so What the f**k would you know about taxes.
Am I wrong? Could be but I doubt it.
My best friend is quite wealthy, ive seen the taxes he pays, he files f*****g quarterly to meet his burden. I stand by what I say, Rich people pay the majority of taxes in America and they deserve a break no matter what your ignorant ass thinks.
Pull out some statistics and prove me wrong. |
How about a real statistic? Small business owners get f****d by the government and that is no secret. And maybe you're right about me never holding a well paying job yet, but that doesn't mean I don't understand taxes.
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Here are the numbers for 1992 from the Statistical Abstract of the United States:
The top 7 percent of those filing returns, those reporting adjusted gross income of $75,000 or more, paid 51 percent of total U.S. income taxes.
People making $75,001, a group that includes many households in which both spouses work, may object that they don't feel particularly rich. They should talk to a single mom who's mopping floors. But let's work our way up the income scale:
The top 3 percent of filers, those making $100,000-plus, paid 40 percent of the taxes.
The top four-fifths of 1 percent of filers, who make $200,000 or more, paid 26 percent of the taxes.
The top one-twentieth of 1 percent of filers, those making $1 million or more--and Tom Wolfe's little demonstration in Bonfire of the Vanities notwithstanding, nobody's going to tell me those guys aren't rich--paid 10 percent of the taxes. That's a mere 67,000 households, who on average paid income tax of $707,000 apiece.
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In their entertaining 1994 book, America: Who Really Pays the Taxes?, investigative reporters Donald Barlett and James Steele note that the number of filers reporting incomes of $200,000-plus who paid no tax, presumably through outrageous but legal tax dodges, has risen steadily, from 155 in 1966 to 1,081 in 1989, despite numerous attempts to plug the loopholes. That sounds pretty bad, but let's put it in perspective: the number of people making $200,000-plus shot up dramatically during the same time, from 13,000 in 1966 to 787,000 in 1989. The proportion of rich tax dodgers has dwindled from 1 percent of the $200,000-plus class to one-tenth of 1 percent in recent years.
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sinrakin
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It's all in the definitions. The top 1% of taxpayers pay 1/3 of all taxes; the top 5% of taxpayers pay 1/2, the top 10% pay 2/3 of the total tax bill.
On the other hand, the richest taxpayers do tend to pay a smaller percentage of their wealth, because they have more deductions and tax planning available to them. The richest 400 taxpayers payd 22% of their income in the year 2000, a smaller percentage than a lot of the middle class, who have a lot less security and are using their money for necessities rather than luxuries.
Supposedly the Bush tax cut give 52% of its benefit to the top 1% of taxpayers. That's not as bad as it sounds, since they are in fact paying 33% of all taxes, but percentage-wise it's still shifting some of the burden to the poor from the rich.
I don't really know what the best answer is - we sure as hell don't want a system like Britain used to have, where the top marginal tax rate was something like 90%. There should be some inducement for the most capable people to produce. On the other hand, we can't have the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer forever either, leading to (more) ludicrous stratification of income.
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| Kaladam wrote: | | Education is getting an increase in spending. |
please research the no child left behind legislation that is essentially Bush's education plan.... ughhh... its a great idea in theory that became a bureaucratic disaster in reality-- fyi the schools are getting about 5 billion dollars less than was projected when it was proposed.. and its only been drastically damaging the education system
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 22:13 Post subject:
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| lauren000 wrote: | | Bait Masterson wrote: | You know what I dont undderstand?
The whole tax cuts/incentives for the rich being a evil thing.
it all boils down to this.
Rich people employ me, Rich people employ you.
Rich people get f*****g raped in taxes right now, if you have some rich friends you already know this. They pay the most taxes while being the smallest minority.
Cut the rich some slack man, just they are the haves doesnt mean you should work to make them the have nots, They area big part of what makes the USA great. |
my family falls into the 38% tax bracket so shut your mouth about the rich paying so much. The filthy rich don't pay shit for taxes. |
Eunuch,
Again, you speak out of your ass. Why don't you just get it over with and kill yourself.
| Quote: | Lies, Myths and Downright Stupidity
Stossel's List of Popularly Reported Misconceptions
Myth No. 5 — The Rich Don't Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes
We've all heard this one during the presidential campaign. When it comes to income taxes, the Democratic presidential candidates keep telling us, the rich don't pay enough. That's a widespread belief, but do the politicians even know how much of the income tax burden the rich pay now?
According to presidential candidate Al Sharpton, "The top one percent in this country pays very much less than ten percent, very much less than five percent."
Sharpton said he thinks the wealthy should pay "somewhere around 15 percent."
But that's so silly because — and I bet most of you don't know this — the IRS says the richest 1 percent of taxpayers already pay 34 percent of all income taxes. Twice what Sharpton wanted them to pay.
Still you may feel the rich should pay even more. It's a tempting thought, since they have so much.
But let's remember the facts: the top 1 percent of Americans — those who earn more than about $300,000 a year — pay 34 percent, more than a third of all income taxes, and the top 5 percent, those making over $125,000, pay more than half. |
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/2020/myths_john_stossel_040123-1.html
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That's why we need the stupid kids in prublic school and all the smart ones in private plz. No child will be left behind!
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lauren000
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 22:20 Post subject:
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| Dor wrote: | Here are the numbers for 1992 from the Statistical Abstract of the United States:
The top 7 percent of those filing returns, those reporting adjusted gross income of $75,000 or more, paid 51 percent of total U.S. income taxes.
People making $75,001, a group that includes many households in which both spouses work, may object that they don't feel particularly rich. They should talk to a single mom who's mopping floors. But let's work our way up the income scale:
The top 3 percent of filers, those making $100,000-plus, paid 40 percent of the taxes.
The top four-fifths of 1 percent of filers, who make $200,000 or more, paid 26 percent of the taxes.
The top one-twentieth of 1 percent of filers, those making $1 million or more--and Tom Wolfe's little demonstration in Bonfire of the Vanities notwithstanding, nobody's going to tell me those guys aren't rich--paid 10 percent of the taxes. That's a mere 67,000 households, who on average paid income tax of $707,000 apiece.
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In their entertaining 1994 book, America: Who Really Pays the Taxes?, investigative reporters Donald Barlett and James Steele note that the number of filers reporting incomes of $200,000-plus who paid no tax, presumably through outrageous but legal tax dodges, has risen steadily, from 155 in 1966 to 1,081 in 1989, despite numerous attempts to plug the loopholes. That sounds pretty bad, but let's put it in perspective: the number of people making $200,000-plus shot up dramatically during the same time, from 13,000 in 1966 to 787,000 in 1989. The proportion of rich tax dodgers has dwindled from 1 percent of the $200,000-plus class to one-tenth of 1 percent in recent years. |
"income of $75,000 or more, paid 51 percent of total U.S. income taxes
those making $100,000-plus, paid 40 percent of the taxes.
$200,000 or more, paid 26 percent of the taxes.
1 million or more--and Tom Wolfe's little demonstration in Bonfire of the Vanities notwithstanding, nobody's going to tell me those guys aren't rich--paid 10 percent of the taxes."
there is a serious hole in your statistics.
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Bush is an idiot period.
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Bait Masterson
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there is a serious hole in your statistics.
no there isnt if you read it
75k or more
100k or more
its like a nested quote, for instance
people who make 75K or more pay 51% of the taxes
of those people who make more than 75K The ones who make 100k pay..
Get it numbnuts?
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kbarr don't bother me with your b******t. Corporate executives don't pay shit for taxes. Look a mercedez that's a business expense. A hey shit so I get to buy a mercedez and it's a tax deduction also? So my trip to hawaii is a tax deduction also if I say it was a business trip? Is that what you're saying?
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 22:42 Post subject:
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| lauren000 wrote: | | Is that what you're saying? |
I'm saying you are a freak.
A very stupid freak.
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wellspoken
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 22:44 Post subject:
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Yabba Dabba Do!
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lauren000
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Location: colorado springs
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 22:45 Post subject:
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| Bait Masterson wrote: | there is a serious hole in your statistics.
no there isnt if you read it
75k or more
100k or more
its like a nested quote, for instance
people who make 75K or more pay 51% of the taxes
of those people who make more than 75K The ones who make 100k pay..
Get it numbnuts? |
I'm not going to argue something this elementary with you.
Imagine a diamond, 4 equal sides. It is flat. One tip at the top and one tip at the bottom. The top of the tip represents the wealthy people. The bottom represents the poor people. Neither is paying shit. Then you have the really really wealthy people who aren't even on the diagram, and the really really poor people who aren't on the diagram. Get the picture? Many of America's able bodied citizens sit at home and don't do shit in a year, except for consume resources.
Bush is spending money that we can't afford to spend.
If you have a problem with this then take it up with bush, or the people who sit around and don't contribute anything to this country and never will.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 02/03/04 - 22:47 Post subject:
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...bush
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