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kbarr
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Posted: 02/01/05 - 08:25 Post subject: Brain Immaturity Could Explain Teen Crash Rate
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We should not let all you little fools vote.
I cannot imagine why we still do, knowing what we know.
| Quote: | Brain Immaturity Could Explain Teen Crash Rate
Risky Behavior Diminishes At Age 25, NIH Study Finds
By Elizabeth Williamson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, February 1, 2005; Page A01
By most physical measures, teenagers should be the world's best drivers. Their muscles are supple, their reflexes quick, their senses at a lifetime peak. Yet car crashes kill more of them than any other cause -- a problem, some researchers believe, that is rooted in the adolescent brain.
A National Institutes of Health study suggests that the region of the brain that inhibits risky behavior is not fully formed until age 25, a finding with implications for a host of policies, including the nation's driving laws.
"We'd thought the highest levels of physical and brain maturity were reached by age 18, maybe earlier -- so this threw us," said Jay Giedd, a pediatric psychiatrist leading the study, which released its first results in April. That makes adolescence "a dangerous time, when it should be the best."
Last month, Sen. William C. Mims (R-Loudoun) cited brain development research in proposing a Virginia bill that would ban cell phone use in vehicles by drivers younger than 18. It passed Friday.
In Maryland, Dels. Adrienne A. Mandel and William A. Bronrott said the research could bolster three bills the Montgomery County Democrats submitted to the legislature Friday. The bills would expand training and restrict passenger numbers and cell phone use for certain teenage drivers.
The measures also are supported by crash statistics and a soon-to-be-released study from Temple University, which used a driving-style test to show that young people consistently take greater risks when their friends are watching.
"This goes toward supporting evidence that the judgment of teens further deteriorates with distractions. These crashes are preventable," Mandel said. "I would welcome [researchers'] testimony at our bill hearings."
The research has implications beyond driving: Attorneys cited brain development studies as the U.S. Supreme Court considered whether juvenile offenders should be eligible for the death penalty. The court is expected to reach a decision by midyear.
Critics of brain-imaging research -- and Giedd himself -- emphasize that there is no proven correlation between brain changes and behavior. Giedd, however, said the duration and depth of the study mean "it's time to bring neuroscience to the table" in the teen driving debate.
"We can determine what is the relationship between brain development and driving ability and what we can do to make it better," Giedd said.
At Temple University in Philadelphia, psychology professor and researcher Laurence Steinberg plans a new study: scanning teenagers' brains while they perform a task that simulates driving decisions, in an effort to understand the biological underpinnings of risk-taking among young people.
Giedd intends to pursue similar studies with his subjects, focusing on ways to give young people, and those responsible for them, more tools for beating the odds.
Teenagers are four times as likely as older drivers to be involved in a crash and three times as likely to die in one, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
"Right now our first subjects are reaching driving age," Giedd said. "What better application could there be than saving their lives?"
Environmental Impact
Lily and Zoe Ulrich, 15-year-old identical twins from Frederick, have been part of Giedd's study at NIH for two years. When they signed up, they answered questions about their diet, athletics, social habits, peer pressure, language skills and intellectual achievements.
The blond, 5-foot-4 sisters wear glasses, earn straight A's and often finish each other's sentences. They will receive their learner's permits this month. "I'm excited . . . it's really cool," Lily said. "I'm a little more nervous," said Zoe. "We think the same a lot of the time but not always."
Giedd would like to know why.
Sitting in his closet-size office in NIH's sprawling Building 10, he turns to his laptop, where the fruit of 13 years' work appears. It's an eight-second, time-lapse image of the brain, swept by a vivid blue wave symbolizing maturing gray matter. The color engulfs the frontal lobes and ends in "a direct hit," Giedd said, with the dorsal-lateral prefrontal cortex, just behind the brow.
About as thick and wide as a silver dollar, this region distinguishes humans from other animals. From it, scientists believe, come judgments and values, long-term goals, the weighing of risks and consequences -- what parents call wisdom or common sense and what science calls "executive functions."
While society and tradition have placed the point of intellectual maturity, the "age of reason," years earlier, the study -- an international effort led by NIH's Institute of Mental Health and UCLA's Laboratory of Neuro Imaging -- shows it comes at about age 25.
The process is generally completed a year or two earlier in women but varies greatly from person to person. Why that is, Giedd said, "we still don't know."
"We have to find out what matters. Diet? Education, video games? Medicine, parenting, music? Is the biggest factor whether you're a musician or a jock or the amount of sleep you get?"
As important, Giedd said, is the study's finding that the brain matures in a series of fits and starts. While it remains to be proved, he said, this "may be a key to when the brain is most receptive" to learning certain skills, such as driving.
The study, which is ongoing, involves scanning the brains of 2,000 people ages 4 through 26 using magnetic resonance imaging, a radiation-free tool that permits researchers to view the organs of healthy people in minute detail.
Every two years, study participants come to the Bethesda-based National Institute of Mental Health, where they are scanned and interviewed. Half the children are healthy, and half have brain-related disorders. In the next phase, researchers plan to focus almost solely on twins, hoping to expand beyond the 180 pairs participating now, to measure the impact of environmental factors on the maturing brain.
Giedd said he's been bashed by teenagers who said the study suggests they're brain-damaged. On the contrary, he said: "Teenagers' brains are not broken; they're just still under construction."
The pattern probably serves an evolutionary purpose, he said, perhaps preparing youths to leave their families and fend for themselves, without wasting energy worrying about it.
The findings imply that many life choices -- college and career, marriage and military service -- often are made before the brain's decision-making center comes fully online. But for young adults, "dying on a highway is the biggest risk out there," Giedd said. "What if we could predict earlier in life what could happen later?"
A 'Period of Recklessness'
Temple's Steinberg said the NIH/UCLA research supports his theory that teen recklessness is partly the result of a critical gap in time -- starting with the thrill-seeking that comes in puberty and ending when the brain learns to temper such behavior. Since children today reach puberty earlier than previously, about age 13, and the brain's reasoning center doesn't reach maturity until the mid-twenties, Steinberg said, "this period of recklessness has never been as long as it is now."
In a study to be published this year, Temple researcher Margo Gardner and Steinberg illustrated the impact of peer pressure on risk-taking. Volunteers in three age groups -- 13 to 16, 18 to 22 and 24 and older -- were told to bring two friends to the study, which involved an arcade-style driving game.
To "win," participants guided a car through a course as quickly as possible. Periodically, a yellow warning light flashed, and some time later a "wall" popped up. If players hit it, they lost all their "points."
Participants took the test alone and with their friends in the room. Researchers found that those in the two younger groups consistently took more chances with friends present. Those 24 and older behaved equally cautiously, regardless of whether friends were watching.
The results help show why teenagers are more likely to drink, take drugs or commit crimes in groups, he said. They're also reflected in auto crash statistics.
According to the Arlington-based Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, the chances of a crash by a 16- or 17-year-old driver are doubled with two peers in the vehicle and quadrupled with three or more. "Every passenger you add increases the risk," said Alan Williams, chief scientist at the institute. The brain and behavior studies, he said, "certainly tie in with what we know."
After a spate of teen driving deaths across the Washington region in the fall, Maryland is attempting to join Virginia and the District in limiting the number of unrelated passengers in cars with young drivers. In addition to cell phone restrictions that the Maryland and Virginia legislatures are considering, Maryland Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. (R) is backing a measure that would revoke the licenses of convicted drunk drivers under age 21, for as long as five years.
Steinberg said he agrees with such approaches. "We have to limit the harm adolescents [encounter], rather than to try and change them."
The best way to do that, he added, "is by passing laws." |
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atarom
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Posted: 02/01/05 - 08:44 Post subject:
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They should make the liscensing test 10x as rigorous.
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Mogling
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Posted: 02/01/05 - 08:52 Post subject:
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They should make public transport 10x as usefull insted. If I never have to drive ill be happy.
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Tiluvas
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Posted: 02/01/05 - 10:11 Post subject:
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Teen forum plz
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Paco
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Posted: 02/01/05 - 11:27 Post subject:
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| Tiluvas wrote: | | Teen forum plz |
this is the teen forum..wtf are you talkin bout willis?
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Ciladar
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Posted: 02/01/05 - 12:13 Post subject:
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| atarom wrote: | | They should make the liscensing test 10x as rigorous. |
The NJ driving test is a joke. It litterly is about 2min long.
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Devook
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Posted: 02/01/05 - 12:16 Post subject:
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Wait... this is news?
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Ciladar
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Posted: 02/01/05 - 12:22 Post subject:
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| Devook wrote: | | Wait... this is news? |
Well I know if a new states it's a litttttle longer than ours. It really is a joke.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 02/01/05 - 14:44 Post subject:
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We went over this in a class I took last semester. Pretty interesting stuff
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wellspoken
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Posted: 02/01/05 - 15:32 Post subject:
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| atarom wrote: | | They should make the liscensing test 10x as rigorous. |
that wouldn't change a thing =p
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wellspoken
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Posted: 02/01/05 - 15:33 Post subject:
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| Ciladar wrote: | | atarom wrote: | | They should make the liscensing test 10x as rigorous. |
The NJ driving test is a joke. It litterly is about 2min long. |
i made a 3 point turn to get my license...lol
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Soriak
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Posted: 02/01/05 - 16:08 Post subject:
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I've read a study about swiss car-accident statistics - according to them, people who just got their drivers licence and are in the 18-22 age group, have the LEAST amount of accidents.
The longer they have their licence and the older they get, the higher the risks for accidents.
The highest risk group was people 30-45 (I think - something around there) who just recently got their licence.
It was mostly attributed to the fact, that people <30 usually drive much slower/older cars, than those 30+. When the first car you drive in is a porsche, and you keep pushing it to it's limits - chances are you'll end up in an accident. At least the risk is much higher, than if you come in some old VW where even if you press the gas down all the way, you still don't speed up very quickly.
When looking at US statistics you have to remind yourself, that a lot of those accidents from younger people is because of DUIs. That's much less of a problem in europe.
Blame whoever came up with the idea to set the drinking age higher than the driving age. People are much more likely (Heck almost guaranteed) to drink before they're legally allowed too - now driving without a license isn't as common.
Lower the legal drinking age to 16 (18 for harder stuff) and set the driving age to 18 - ie do what europe does. Works here, no reason it shouldn't work in the US.
As for alcohol being bad for those <21 - please, it's not like they're not getting their hands on it anyway. The more you try to prohibit something, the more attractive it becomes.
edit: Admittedly it might not be just because of drunk drivers - if you've ever seen "Pimp my Ride"... the cars those people drive wouldn't even be allowed on the streets here. When your car doesn't have working mirrors, no wonder you'll cause an accident.
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compusmack
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Posted: 02/02/05 - 10:34 Post subject:
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I had 2 major accidents and 3 minor bumps from 16-19. After that, I've had zero tickets and accidents and I'm nearly 26 now. I'm gonna go ahead and agree with this study, cause it appears pretty darn accurate. Same is true of my sister, and my cousins.. after that 19-20 age range, we just got the safe driving down pat. Experience & maturity > Reflexes... as long as your reflexes aren't terrible.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 02/02/05 - 14:50 Post subject:
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Yeah, it's definitely not the reflexes. You should have seen me play Street Fighter when I was 19.
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kbarr
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Posted: 02/02/05 - 16:45 Post subject:
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| Soriak wrote: | I've read a study about swiss car-accident statistics - according to them, people who just got their drivers licence and are in the 18-22 age group, have the LEAST amount of accidents.
The longer they have their licence and the older they get, the higher the risks for accidents.
The highest risk group was people 30-45 (I think - something around there) who just recently got their licence.
It was mostly attributed to the fact, that people <30 usually drive much slower/older cars, than those 30+. When the first car you drive in is a porsche, and you keep pushing it to it's limits - chances are you'll end up in an accident. At least the risk is much higher, than if you come in some old VW where even if you press the gas down all the way, you still don't speed up very quickly.
When looking at US statistics you have to remind yourself, that a lot of those accidents from younger people is because of DUIs. That's much less of a problem in europe.
Blame whoever came up with the idea to set the drinking age higher than the driving age. People are much more likely (Heck almost guaranteed) to drink before they're legally allowed too - now driving without a license isn't as common.
Lower the legal drinking age to 16 (18 for harder stuff) and set the driving age to 18 - ie do what europe does. Works here, no reason it shouldn't work in the US.
As for alcohol being bad for those <21 - please, it's not like they're not getting their hands on it anyway. The more you try to prohibit something, the more attractive it becomes.
edit: Admittedly it might not be just because of drunk drivers - if you've ever seen "Pimp my Ride"... the cars those people drive wouldn't even be allowed on the streets here. When your car doesn't have working mirrors, no wonder you'll cause an accident. |
The article was about what age human brains become fully developed. That was the point of the thread. It was not about how often socialists get in car accidents.
Pay attention.
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kbarr
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Posted: 02/02/05 - 16:57 Post subject:
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Driving is about being aware of your surroundings, experience behind the wheel and the ability to anticipate.
Most times accidents are totally avoidable and the fault of stupid people.
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Soriak
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Posted: 02/02/05 - 17:14 Post subject:
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| Kbarr wrote: |
The article was about what age human brains become fully developed. That was the point of the thread. It was not about how often socialists get in car accidents.
Pay attention. |
If you're blameing it on brain development, but it's not an issue in europe, you could only conclude, that brains of europeans fully develop earlier than those of americans.
We know that's not true, so there's a flaw in the study.
| Quote: | | Steinberg said he agrees with such approaches. "We have to limit the harm adolescents [encounter], rather than to try and change them." |
Being <21 in the US has to be one of the worst living conditions anywhere in the western world. The things that are being done to "protect" the children is amazing. Some of the most severe censorship on TV/Radio and the most restrictive alcohol laws anywhere in the western world - not to mention curfews in some cities. Heck gambling isn't even legal in all states.
Something like that really would be unthinkable in "socialist europe" - then again, we do value personal freedom.
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ATM Banana
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i did not read the article.
that said, I agree completely.
Personally I'm a good driver, but all the kids my age were careless and stupid about driving and ended up causing problems for their families and making plenty of the working class drivers headed towards SF(passing directly by our school) uneasy.
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Confused
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Posted: 02/02/05 - 17:35 Post subject:
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| Soriak wrote: | | Kbarr wrote: |
The article was about what age human brains become fully developed. That was the point of the thread. It was not about how often socialists get in car accidents.
Pay attention. |
If you're blameing it on brain development, but it's not an issue in europe, you could only conclude, that brains of europeans fully develop earlier than those of americans.
We know that's not true, so there's a flaw in the study.
| Quote: | | Steinberg said he agrees with such approaches. "We have to limit the harm adolescents [encounter], rather than to try and change them." |
Being <21 in the US has to be one of the worst living conditions anywhere in the western world. The things that are being done to "protect" the children is amazing. Some of the most severe censorship on TV/Radio and the most restrictive alcohol laws anywhere in the western world - not to mention curfews in some cities. Heck gambling isn't even legal in all states.
Something like that really would be unthinkable in "socialist europe" - then again, we do value personal freedom. |
Europe doesn't have roads equivalent to those found in the US. Not to mention the fact that obtaining a driver's license in Europe is about as difficult as obtaining a pilot's license in America. Europeans get a hard-on restricting freedoms that way.
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Overon
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Posted: 02/02/05 - 18:03 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Soriak wrote: | | Kbarr wrote: |
The article was about what age human brains become fully developed. That was the point of the thread. It was not about how often socialists get in car accidents.
Pay attention. |
If you're blameing it on brain development, but it's not an issue in europe, you could only conclude, that brains of europeans fully develop earlier than those of americans.
We know that's not true, so there's a flaw in the study.
| Quote: | | Steinberg said he agrees with such approaches. "We have to limit the harm adolescents [encounter], rather than to try and change them." |
Being <21 in the US has to be one of the worst living conditions anywhere in the western world. The things that are being done to "protect" the children is amazing. Some of the most severe censorship on TV/Radio and the most restrictive alcohol laws anywhere in the western world - not to mention curfews in some cities. Heck gambling isn't even legal in all states.
Something like that really would be unthinkable in "socialist europe" - then again, we do value personal freedom. |
Europe doesn't have roads equivalent to those found in the US. Not to mention the fact that obtaining a driver's license in Europe is about as difficult as obtaining a pilot's license in America. Europeans get a hard-on restricting freedoms that way. |
you didn't hear the first rule of driving did you?
apparently driving is a privelage, not a right .. or so is the feeling of the NY DMV
is the ability to drive a freedom to you?
i expect a reply of no less than 25 sentences
or one amusing picture
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kbarr
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Posted: 02/02/05 - 22:41 Post subject:
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| Soriak wrote: | | Kbarr wrote: |
The article was about what age human brains become fully developed. That was the point of the thread. It was not about how often socialists get in car accidents.
Pay attention. |
If you're blameing it on brain development, but it's not an issue in europe, you could only conclude, that brains of europeans fully develop earlier than those of americans.
We know that's not true, so there's a flaw in the study.
| Quote: | | Steinberg said he agrees with such approaches. "We have to limit the harm adolescents [encounter], rather than to try and change them." |
Being <21 in the US has to be one of the worst living conditions anywhere in the western world. The things that are being done to "protect" the children is amazing. Some of the most severe censorship on TV/Radio and the most restrictive alcohol laws anywhere in the western world - not to mention curfews in some cities. Heck gambling isn't even legal in all states.
Something like that really would be unthinkable in "socialist europe" - then again, we do value personal freedom. |
Friend, you forget some people have actually lived in europe and know the deal.
Europe is what it is. An old place, interesting to look at, nice for vacations. Its filled with effeminate males and hairy aimpitted females. They tend to be a lazy, laid back, generally dim group. I remember talking to adults in Vicenza who had never been out of town, NEVER BEEN OUT OF TOWN?Some countries smell more than others, I found the germans to be the cleanest.
Like I said, europe is nice for a vacation, but in the end. There ain't nothing going on over there, /yawn.
nothing.
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Occulis
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I can't imagine anyone turning on trash like MTV or CBS and considering America censored.
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