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Occulis
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 Posted: 03/02/04 - 20:33 Post subject: Brag about someone you know
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I'd like to hear about someone who you really look up to, respect, etc.
Please insert anecdote here!
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NickPSH
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I look up to Dunn and Silvermouse. They're both funny and entertaining. They have that random wit that often gives me the best laugh I've had all day.
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Occulis
RealPoor Jedi
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Posted: 03/02/04 - 20:39 Post subject:
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but but but
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Zapper
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Location: Connecticut
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Posted: 03/02/04 - 20:50 Post subject:
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He f****d Her Hard and Fast
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sinrakin
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Posted: 03/02/04 - 20:52 Post subject:
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The guy the New York Times quotes in this article was in my fraternity in college. I taught him to play Go when we were sophomores so I'd have someone to play it with, and he immediately got vastly better than me.
We used to play chess, just saying the moves to each other and picturing the board in our minds while we were washing dishes. He's probably the smartest guy I ever knew. It scared the hell out of me when he said he wasn't going into theoretical physics like I wanted to, because he wasn't smart enough 
| Quote: | August 1, 2002, Thursday
CIRCUITS
In an Ancient Game, Computing's Future
By KATIE HAFNER
EARLY in the film ''A Beautiful Mind,'' the mathematician John Nash is seen sitting in a Princeton courtyard, hunched over a playing board covered with small black and white pieces that look like pebbles. He was playing Go, an ancient Asian game. Frustration at losing that game inspired the real Mr. Nash to pursue the mathematics of game theory, research for which he eventually won a Nobel Prize.
In recent years, computer experts, particularly those specializing in artificial intelligence, have felt the same fascination -- and frustration.
Programming other board games has been a relative snap. Even chess has succumbed to the power of the processor. Five years ago, a chess-playing computer called Deep Blue not only beat but thoroughly humbled Garry Kasparov, the world champion at the time. That is because chess, while highly complex, can be reduced to a matter of brute force computation.
Go is different. Deceptively easy to learn, either for a computer or a human, it is a game of such depth and complexity that it can take years for a person to become a strong player. To date, no computer has been able to achieve a skill level beyond that of the casual player.
The game is played on a board divided into a grid of 19 horizontal and 19 vertical lines. Black and white pieces called stones are placed one at a time on the grid's intersections. The object is to acquire and defend territory by surrounding it with stones.
Programmers working on Go see it as more accurate than chess in reflecting the ineffable ways in which the human mind works. The challenge of programming a computer to mimic that process goes to the core of artificial intelligence, which involves the study of learning and decision-making, strategic thinking, knowledge representation, pattern recognition and, perhaps most intriguingly, intuition.
''A good Go player could make a move and other players say, 'Yes, that's a good move,' but they can't explain to you why it's a good move, or how they even know it's a good move,'' said Dr. John McCarthy, a professor emeritus at Stanford University and a pioneer in artificial intelligence.
Dr. Danny Hillis, a computer designer and chairman of the technology company Applied Minds, said that the depth of Go made it ripe for the kind of scientific progress that comes from studying one example in great detail. ''We want the equivalent of a fruit fly to study,'' Dr. Hillis said. ''Chess was the fruit fly for studying logic. Go may be the fruit fly for studying intuition.''
Along with intuition, pattern recognition is a large part of the game. While computers are good at crunching numbers, people are naturally good at matching patterns. Humans can recognize an acquaintance at a glance, even from the back. ''Every Go book is filled with advice on patterns of different kinds,'' Dr. McCarthy said.
Dr. Daniel Bump, a mathematics professor at Stanford, works on a program called GNU Go in his spare time. ''You can very quickly look at a chess game and see if there's some major issue,'' he said. But to make a decision in Go, he said, players must learn to combine their pattern-matching abilities with the logic and knowledge they have accrued in years of playing.
''If you watch really strong players,'' Dr. Bump said, ''some seem to make fairly mundane moves, but at the end of the game they're ahead. Others do spectacular things.''
One measure of the challenge the game poses is the performance of Go computer programs. The last five years have yielded incremental improvements but no breakthroughs, said David Fotland, a programmer and chip designer in San Jose, Calif., who created and sells The Many Faces of Go, one of the few commercial Go programs.
Mr. Fotland's program was the winner of a tournament last weekend in Edmonton, Alberta, that pitted 14 Go-playing programs -- including several from Japan -- against one another. But even The Many Faces of Go is weak enough that most strong players could beat it handily.
Part of the challenge has to do with processing speed. The typical chess program can evaluate about 300,000 positions per second, and Deep Blue was able to evaluate some 200 million positions per second. By midgame, most Go programs can evaluate only a couple of dozen positions each second, said Anders Kierulf, who wrote a program called SmartGo.
In the course of a chess game, a player has an average of 25 to 35 moves available. In Go, on the other hand, a player can choose from an average of 240 moves. A Go-playing computer would take about 30,000 years to look as far ahead as Deep Blue can with chess in three seconds, said Michael Reiss, a computer scientist in London.
If processing power were all there was to it, the solution would be simply a matter of time, since computers are growing ever faster. But the obstacles go much deeper. Not only do Go programs have trouble evaluating positions quickly, they have trouble evaluating them correctly.
Nonetheless, the allure of computer Go increases as the difficulties it poses encourage programmers to advance basic work in artificial intelligence. Graduate students produce dissertations on the topic, and a handful of researchers around the world devote much or all of their attention to it.
The game attracts people from all fields. For example, Chen Zhixing, a retired chemistry professor in Guangzhou, China, wrote a program called Handtalk, which dominated the computer Go field for several years. Dr. Bump, 50, whose field is number theory, has been playing Go for 35 years and taught himself the C programming language four years ago so he could write Go software. Mr. Fotland, 44, the creator of The Many Faces of Go has been working on computer Go for 20 years and is chief technology officer at Ubicom, a small semiconductor company in Silicon Valley.
All are very strong Go players, and it takes a strong Go player to write even a weak Go program. Mr. Fotland, for instance, said he had written programs for checkers, Othello and chess. The algorithms are all very similar, and it is not difficult to write a reasonably strong program, he said. Each of the games took him a year or two to finish. ''But when I started on Go,'' he said, ''there was no end to it.''
Mr. Fotland said that his Go programming was especially weak when he was a beginning player. ''A lot of the stuff I wrote was just plain wrong because I didn't understand the game well enough,'' he said.
Even when skill develops, however, translating it into a program is not an obvious task. ''There's a certain stream of consciousness when you're looking at positions,'' Dr. Bump said. ''You might look at 10 variations, but you don't really know what's going on in the back of your mind. Even a strong player doesn't know how his mind works when he looks at a position.''
''We think we have the basics of what we do as humans down pat,'' Dr. Bump said. ''We get up in the morning and make breakfast, but if you tried to program a computer to do that, you'd quickly find that what's simple to you is incredibly difficult for a computer.''
The same is true for Go. ''When you're deciding what variations to consider, your subconscious mind is pruning,'' he said. ''It's hard to say how much is going on in your mind to accomplish this pruning, but in a position on the board where I'd look at 10 variations, the computer has to look at thousands, maybe a million positions to come to the same conclusions, or to wrong conclusions.''
Dr. Reiss, who is the author of Go4++, a previous champion that placed second in last weekend's playoff, agrees with Dr. Bump. Dr. Reiss, who is an expert in neural networks, compares a human being's ability to recognize a strong or weak position in Go with the ability to distinguish between an image of a chair and one of a bicycle. Both tasks, he said, are hugely difficult for a computer.
For that reason, Mr. Fotland said, ''writing a strong Go program will teach us more about making computers think like people than writing a strong chess program.''
Dr. Reiss, who works on Go full time, said he would not think of devoting his time to any other problem. ''It's a fundamentally interesting problem, but also it's just the right level of difficulty,'' he said. ''If it was too easy it would have been solved already. If it was fantastically difficult, people might give up in frustration.''
''I think in the long run the only way to write a strong Go program is to have it learn from its own mistakes, which is classic A.I., and no one knows how to do that yet,'' Mr. Fotland said. A few programs have some learning capabilities built into them.
Mr. Fotland's program, for instance, refers to a database of games played by strong players in deciding its moves, and Dr. Reiss's program employs a learning scheme for deciding which moves are interesting to look at.
Dr. Reiss said he had come up with an idea for a new Go program that would learn by analyzing professional games. But to pursue his idea would require too much work, he said, depriving him of time to continue making updates to his current program.
It seems unlikely that a computer will be programmed to drub a strong human player any time soon, Dr. Reiss said. ''But it's possible to make an interesting amount of progress, and the problem stays interesting,'' he said. ''I imagine it will be a juicy problem that people talk about for many decades to come.'' |
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D01EEDC1F38F932A3575BC0A9649C8B63
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Frashii
Sir Postalot
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Posted: 03/02/04 - 20:56 Post subject:
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Silvermouse cracks me up. I swear I die laughing every time he posts. He hits the nail on the head.
Ishmobbin for keeping Realpoor alive in the face of the worse f*****g luck I've ever heard of for someone.
Khrath for his ability to snake out holes that shouldn't be open.
Dunn/Occuilis for his technical ability (programming!)
Okami beucase she had the conviction and courage to quit EQ when she saw it was having a deterimental effect on her relationship with her duaghter.
Derringer (as well as other Pak Cafan officers), becuase he manages to hold a high end raiding guild together and keeps a family atmposphere about it without caving in to whining.
Kiaara, for holding Reign of Magic together as long as she did. talk about an impossible task.
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Frashii
Sir Postalot
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Posted: 03/02/04 - 21:02 Post subject:
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Wow Sin.. thats pretty damn amazing. Tlak about rubbing shoulders with brilliance. Some of it seemed to have worn off tho, you are nuts on for most technical issues I've seen you discuss.
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Akronn
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Posted: 03/02/04 - 21:48 Post subject:
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So Sinrakin is the only person here who knows someone outside of EQ/RP? 
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Paco
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Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: 03/02/04 - 21:50 Post subject:
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This is a song for the ladies
But fellas listen closely
You don't always have to f**k her hard
In fact sometimes that's not right to do
Sometimes you've got to make some love
And f****n give her some smoochies too
Sometimes ya got to squeeze
Sometimes you've got to say please
Sometime you've got to say hey
I'm gonna f**k you softly
I'm gonna s***w you gently
I'm gonna hump you sweetly
I'm gonna ball you discreetly
And then you say hey I bought you flowers
And then you say wait a minute sally
I think I got somethin in my teeth
Could you get it out for me
That's f****n teamwork
Whats your favorite posish?
That's cool with me
Its not my favorite
But I'll do it for you
Whats your favorite dish?
Im not gonna cook it
But ill order it from Zanzibar
And then I'm gonna love you completely
And then I'll f****n f**k you discreetly
And then I'll f*****g bone you completely
But then I'm gonna f**k you hard
Hard
name that tune!
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NickPSH
RealPoor Master of Posts
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Posted: 03/02/04 - 22:22 Post subject:
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| Paco wrote: | This is a song for the ladies
But fellas listen closely
You don't always have to f**k her hard
In fact sometimes that's not right to do
Sometimes you've got to make some love
And f****n give her some smoochies too
Sometimes ya got to squeeze
Sometimes you've got to say please
Sometime you've got to say hey
I'm gonna f**k you softly
I'm gonna s***w you gently
I'm gonna hump you sweetly
I'm gonna ball you discreetly
And then you say hey I bought you flowers
And then you say wait a minute sally
I think I got somethin in my teeth
Could you get it out for me
That's f****n teamwork
Whats your favorite posish?
That's cool with me
Its not my favorite
But I'll do it for you
Whats your favorite dish?
Im not gonna cook it
But ill order it from Zanzibar
And then I'm gonna love you completely
And then I'll f****n f**k you discreetly
And then I'll f*****g bone you completely
But then I'm gonna f**k you hard
Hard
name that tune! |
f**k Her Gently.
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Merican
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Posted: 03/03/04 - 02:28 Post subject:
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| Tizitchy Tinkergnome wrote: | | Paco wrote: | This is a song for the ladies
But fellas listen closely
You don't always have to f**k her hard
In fact sometimes that's not right to do
Sometimes you've got to make some love
And f****n give her some smoochies too
Sometimes ya got to squeeze
Sometimes you've got to say please
Sometime you've got to say hey
I'm gonna f**k you softly
I'm gonna s***w you gently
I'm gonna hump you sweetly
I'm gonna ball you discreetly
And then you say hey I bought you flowers
And then you say wait a minute sally
I think I got somethin in my teeth
Could you get it out for me
That's f****n teamwork
Whats your favorite posish?
That's cool with me
Its not my favorite
But I'll do it for you
Whats your favorite dish?
Im not gonna cook it
But ill order it from Zanzibar
And then I'm gonna love you completely
And then I'll f****n f**k you discreetly
And then I'll f*****g bone you completely
But then I'm gonna f**k you hard
Hard
name that tune! |
f**k Her Gently. |
by tenacious D
jack black owns
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Occulis
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Posted: 03/03/04 - 09:34 Post subject:
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Just as I suspected! No one here is willing to talk about people they admire but woah "UR PUZZY STANK" thread gets 2 pages of replies! Hah!
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Paco
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Posted: 03/03/04 - 10:29 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | | Just as I suspected! No one here is willing to talk about people they admire but woah "UR PUZZY STANK" thread gets 2 pages of replies! Hah! |
such is the fate of realpoor sir, you knew it in your heart
p.s. i think you're on acid sometimes, care to comment?
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Lumberg_fekdher
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Posted: 03/03/04 - 11:52 Post subject:
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Brett Favre is my 3rd cousin, however, i have never met him
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Uglarbashdemgud
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Posted: 03/03/04 - 13:43 Post subject:
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I look up to Ashenor because he is buying an M3 and I can't afford one right now... Although I have 4 vehicles currently so I guess i could afford one if I traded all 4 in on one.
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Minion
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Posted: 03/03/04 - 14:03 Post subject:
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Eminem, the rapper, not whoever it is that posts here under the nick Eminem.
Feng Zhu. He's pretty much hit it big, I don't think there's a single concept artist as popular as he is. He still occasionally posts his instructional work on message boards.
http://www.artbyfeng.com/
Willi Hames, coincidently friends with Feng Zhu, he's a 3D artist, does amazing texture work. He's basically the prime figure in the Tenebrae project.
http://www.willihammes.com/
Any artist/programmer (open source)/writer/designer who's put out their work for free has a large amount of respect from me. The only exception to this being the guy who put out Bit Torrent as he basically does nothing but beg for donations...
BTW Dunn, you should have posted your list of people you respect!
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hitachi
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Posted: 03/03/04 - 14:26 Post subject:
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Peter Bondra
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Occulis
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Posted: 03/03/04 - 14:32 Post subject:
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I respect my Dad and Mom for obvious reasons. They come first I guess for a lot of people so here is a small list of strangers I respect:
* The main people I trained with who I haven't seen in years: Greg, Scott, Jan, Tom, Lloyd, Tom#2, Steve, Dave, Roger, Crystal, Chris, Jeff, Sparky, Nathan, Zach... aaiieee this list never ends.
* Anthony Robbins
* Stephen King
* Anyone who makes less than $25k / year but still writes open source software.
* That one guy who pulled a knife on me in 6th grade and then later killed himself (true story!)
* As far as online peoples.. I respect a lot of ppl from the RP community for lots of diff reasons. In fact I can only think of like 1 or 2 people from here I think need Re-cooperation.
Kind of a dull list but hello how are you
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Zuldane
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Posted: 03/03/04 - 14:39 Post subject:
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Hello! hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
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TrueParadox
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Posted: 03/03/04 - 14:44 Post subject:
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I respect Dunn for being the self taught coding madman that he is and for his brilliance when it comes to code.
I respect my Grandfather, who was one of the greatest humans I've ever known.
I respect my Grandmother for caring for my grandfather after his paralysis and for her strength after his death and her current battle with cancer.
I respect my mother for enduring my antics.
I respect my Meredith for just being herself.
I respect myself, cause I am where I wanna be in life.
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Akronn
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Posted: 03/03/04 - 18:16 Post subject:
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| Minion wrote: | | Eminem, the rapper, not whoever it is that posts here under the nick Eminem. |
He worked at the Little Ceasar's right by my highschool and made my pizza many times. Can't say I ever talked to him, though, aside from 'Do you have any crazy bread?'
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Zonk
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Posted: 03/03/04 - 18:20 Post subject:
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i would like to thank Nah for being a fair and balanced f****t.
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Minion
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Posted: 03/04/04 - 03:57 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | Minion wrote: | | Eminem, the rapper, not whoever it is that posts here under the nick Eminem. |
He worked at the Little Ceasar's right by my highschool and made my pizza many times. Can't say I ever talked to him, though, aside from 'Do you have any crazy bread?' |
Did you put an extra edge on your voice when you said "CRAZY"?
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kireol
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Posted: 03/04/04 - 04:07 Post subject:
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| Minion wrote: | Any artist/programmer (open source)/writer/designer who's put out their work for free has a large amount of respect from me. The only exception to this being the guy who put out Bit Torrent as he basically does nothing but beg for donations...
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sweet. i can go to bed happy. nite
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Kaladam
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Posted: 03/04/04 - 05:36 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | * Anthony Robbins
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Thats the really tall self help guy, right? I met him once at joes stone crab in miami about 4/5 years ago.
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