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Barnacle Bob
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 Posted: 03/31/03 - 15:33 Post subject:
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duh, I'm like Speedy Gonzales out there on the duck duck goose court.
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Frax
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Posted: 03/31/03 - 15:37 Post subject:
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Actually hockey itself is ok to watch, what sucks is the way games end. It's all about points, not winning games in the regular season.
Games should not end in ties except under rare circumstances dictated by the fact that you just can't have a game last 8 hours.
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Syke
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Posted: 03/31/03 - 15:38 Post subject:
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| Barnacle Bob wrote: | | it's the "cool" opinion now to hate baseball, for these reasons, but really, that can be said about any sport you don't like. If you don't like baseball, just say you don't like baseball. Don't chalk it up to it being "commercialized." You don't get baseball, and that's a-ok. |
No, it's the popular opinion because baseball is boreing to watch. There isn't much action.
It's extremely fun to play...If you are a baseball fan and you follow the sport, its much more interesting.
But if you haven't been a baseball fan your entire life and you don't follow the game or play it at all...you're not gonna like it.
On the other hand, hockey, basketball, football, rugby and and soccer (european soccer) are more exciting because of the amount of movement and team effort involved.
In baseball youre just following the ball around...you know wtf is gonna happen, its all planned.
The guy at home hits the ball, runs around in a big circle and everyone slaps him in the butt.
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Vio
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Posted: 03/31/03 - 15:58 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | Actually hockey itself is ok to watch, what sucks is the way games end. It's all about points, not winning games in the regular season.
Games should not end in ties except under rare circumstances dictated by the fact that you just can't have a game last 8 hours. |
Hrmm I strongly disagree with this Tie thing - you saying that two teams shouldn't earn a point if it was both a hard fought game and both worthy of getting something out of it towards getting them into the playoffs?
NHL is looking at next year introducing the shoot out after the 5 minute overtime period and still a tie is the outcome for more excitement
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hitachi
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Posted: 03/31/03 - 16:01 Post subject:
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Lets go Caps~
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Vio
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Posted: 03/31/03 - 16:03 Post subject:
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Caps ownED by the leafs in OT on Saturday - good game
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Akronn
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Posted: 03/31/03 - 16:11 Post subject:
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| Vio wrote: | | Caps ownED by the leafs in OT on Saturday - good game |
I'd put 4 or 5 teams in the west over anybody in the east. It's a shame too... the Leafs went out and got some help after that debacle against Detroit and half the new guys are hurt already.
Aside from Hasek, the Wings didn't lose anybody of note from last year's team. Now throw in CuJo, Schneider, Zetterberg, and a blossoming Datsyuk and you've got yourself repeat champions.
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Vio
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Posted: 03/31/03 - 16:16 Post subject:
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the competition I think is definitely tougher this year all around. Better teams and a lot of upset teams out there that can be surprises.
Leafs definitely hit with the major injury bug as usual.
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Bobthy
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Posted: 03/31/03 - 18:14 Post subject:
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| Barnacle Bob wrote: | Hey Bobthy, I have a pound of cotton, and a pound of lead. Which is heavier?
Great argument, seriously.
Yeah, baseball must be boring.
Alex Rodriguez gets payed $252 million over ten years to bore us.
"Common because it's true."
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It is given that Lead is heavier than something extremely light, like cotton. If you wish to quibble with words, i hope it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Baseball is boring. This does not need to be quantified, or extrapolated. People watch it and fall asleep. This is why it's popularity has been waning in recent years. Baseball, like Golf, is fun to play, but utterly boring to watch.
Dieing leagues over-extending themselves in bid wars and pricing out much of their fan base to pay for players like Mr. 252 Million Dollars has little to do with making the game exciting. Im willing to bet that, while Alex Rodriguez may have other valuable skills, he would still be playing baseball if he were only paid 100,000 or less per year.
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Barnacle Bob
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Posted: 03/31/03 - 20:35 Post subject:
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Bobthy, I'm afraid that you calling baseball boring is an opinion, not a fact. People also watch baseball and stay awake. I watch baseball and stay awake for one. People watch hockey and fall asleep. I watch hockey and fall asleep. Does this make hockey being boring a fact?
It's fine if you find baseball boring, but you're an idiot if you think your opinion makes it a fact.
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Bobthy
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Posted: 03/31/03 - 22:27 Post subject:
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Sir, you are 100% correct, my calling baseball is an opinion. However, never did i state so otherwise. Don't put words into my mouth and then try to knit-pick them.
You implied that calling baseball boring is some sort of popular new cliche' that people use to fit in. I simply said that people call baseball boring because to those people, and myself, it is boring.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 04/01/03 - 03:02 Post subject:
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Baseball can be slow at times, but in no other sport do I feel the adrenaline rush like with Baseball.
You're sitting nervously in your seat in the bottom of the 9th as Jeff Kent steps to the plate with two men on, one out and the Giants down 6-5. Here's the pitch...and wham he hits it high, he hits it deep, this one is outta here! As 35000 fans all rise to their feet in unison screaming their head off...
Same in the 9th when Robb Nen comes in and strikes out the side to save a victory. I guess you'd have to be there to appreciate it. For example, I find Hockey, Tennis, Golf, Basketball and Soccer to be insanely boring. They can all have their moments, but I can't sit through a game.
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Vio
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Posted: 04/01/03 - 10:21 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | Baseball can be slow at times, but in no other sport do I feel the adrenaline rush like with Baseball.
You're sitting nervously in your seat in the bottom of the 9th as Jeff Kent steps to the plate with two men on, one out and the Giants down 6-5. Here's the pitch...and wham he hits it high, he hits it deep, this one is outta here! As 35000 fans all rise to their feet in unison screaming their head off...
Same in the 9th when Robb Nen comes in and strikes out the side to save a victory. I guess you'd have to be there to appreciate it. For example, I find Hockey, Tennis, Golf, Basketball and Soccer to be insanely boring. They can all have their moments, but I can't sit through a game. |
Hehe Baseball and Adrenaline just don't go together 
Problem with the situations you mentioned is they only happen once maybe every 40 games or so if that.
The best thing about baseball is it is nice once in awhile to go down to a game and sit out in the sun for the afternoon having some over priced beer. That is about it. I don't understand how someone can say they have no problem sitting through a baseball game but can't through a hockey game? The fast pace too much for ya? /boggle
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Goraz
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Posted: 04/01/03 - 10:23 Post subject:
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| compusmack wrote: | | hockey > baseball |
W3RD!!!!
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Akronn
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Posted: 04/01/03 - 11:09 Post subject:
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Yeah, maybe the Giants play close games... but I know you're lucky to get two dozen 9th inning barnburners with most other teams over the entire season. Starting pitching is so bad right now, most games are sleepers after the 4th.
Hockey? Even the bad teams play it close. Off the top of my head I can tell ya the worst team in the western conference, Columbus, has been outscored by less than 50 goals all season. That's little more than a .5 goal difference every game. Close, eh? And they suck!
Now the worst team in the majors last year was the Tigers... and they got outscored by 300 runs, or nearly 2 runs a game.
Hockey is much closer and more exciting. You get a rush nearly every game for 40 minutes instead of a 3 minute rush once a fortnight.
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Leslie
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Posted: 04/01/03 - 11:09 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | Being a Wings fan, boring hockey isn't too common here... but I find alot of games on ESPN, Fox, etc. really unbearable.
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Most games thate come on espn involve the Avs , Rangers , Wings , Flyers , or Pens. I wouldn't want a contraction , but what teams do you guys think should be taken away? Oh , and lets go bolts! 
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Vio
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Posted: 04/01/03 - 11:14 Post subject:
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there are a few teams who could go no doubt and Pittsburgh is one of them, Again though basing hockey on the television coverage in the US is a huge problem, the camera's are awful and far from the action and extremely quiet for the most part where you aren't drawn into the action.
p**s poor coverage overall which is really too bad
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Akronn
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Posted: 04/01/03 - 11:29 Post subject:
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| Leslie wrote: | | Most games thate come on espn involve the Avs , Rangers , Wings , Flyers , or Pens. I wouldn't want a contraction , but what teams do you guys think should be taken away? Oh , and lets go bolts! |
I'm happy for the Bolts this year, there's gotta be at least one playoff surprise, so why not them?
Teams I'd like to see go bye-bye? The ones that have almost no chance of being competitive over the long-haul:
Pittsburgh: Sorry I know it's an older team, but it's over. The city doesn't want/can't support them anymore. If Mario and Kovalev couldn't fill the seats, who can?
Phoenix: They left Winnipeg for greener pastures and have been a failure ever since. They could've easily dumped salaries at every trading deadline back in Canada, too. 2/3rds of the hockey fans in Phoenix are transplanted Detroiters. They don't care about the 'yotes and probably never will.
Columbus: What were they thinking? Again, on the rare occassions the stands are packed, it's with Wings' fans who can't get tickets here. Won't ever be competitve.
Nashville: Hockey in Tenn? No surprise, they can't fill the seats either. Typically only get 10,000-13,000 people a game. That's all that care lol? A failure.
Buffalo: Like Pittsburgh, it hurts to say 'it's over,' but the city bailed on them. Even when they were winning with Hasek, they still weren't getting much support. Games against fellow NY teams typically draw 10k. How awful.
I know some of the Canadien teams are having financial trouble too, but only one (Montreal) is gonna miss the post-season this year. Why is that? Because the players care and the fans care. You don't see that in the teams I mentioned above, they're all extremely flatlined.
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Vio
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Posted: 04/01/03 - 11:46 Post subject:
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Canadian teams are always supported and the seats filled - only reason any teams here are in financial problems are because of the dollar exchange and the taxes
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Barnacle Bob
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Posted: 04/01/03 - 12:05 Post subject:
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this thread is about baseball. hockey is awful.
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compusmack
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Posted: 04/01/03 - 12:36 Post subject:
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| akronn wrote: | | Hockey is much closer and more exciting. You get a rush nearly every game for 40 minutes instead of a 3 minute rush once a fortnight. |
The playoffs should be pretty exciting this year for the Western conference. I think Dallas and Detroit are the two best, but Vancouver could step up and beat either if things go their way. The Eastern conference is pretty much a lock for Ottawa. The Eastern conference is so much weaker than the Western conference though, and that makes Ottawa look like a better team than they really are. I predict Ottawa loses to whoever wins the Western finals, whether it's Detroit, Dallas, or Vancouver.
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Goraz
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Posted: 04/01/03 - 12:39 Post subject:
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Baseball isn't as big as it used to be which is sad cause its Americas sport or atleast it was.
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Vio
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Posted: 04/01/03 - 12:42 Post subject:
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| compusmack wrote: | | akronn wrote: | | Hockey is much closer and more exciting. You get a rush nearly every game for 40 minutes instead of a 3 minute rush once a fortnight. |
The playoffs should be pretty exciting this year for the Western conference. I think Dallas and Detroit are the two best, but Vancouver could step up and beat either if things go their way. The Eastern conference is pretty much a lock for Ottawa. The Eastern conference is so much weaker than the Western conference though, and that makes Ottawa look like a better team than they really are. I predict Ottawa loses to whoever wins the Western finals, whether it's Detroit, Dallas, or Vancouver. |
Ottawa will be lucky enough to beat the Islanders if that is who they play, Ottawa hasn't been able to win a playoff game if their lives depended on it since they have been in the league. I wouldn't lock them up for taking it, especially if they end up playing Toronto
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Akronn
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Posted: 04/01/03 - 12:55 Post subject:
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The Isles never should've traded Ozzie. Although the Wings have been lighting him up, he's been pretty good for St. Louis otherwise. The Isles may have traded themselves out of the playoffs by doing that (and would've already if the Rangers weren't so inept). They're a first round pushover now.
Ottawa still has everybody's number in the east, imho, but I suppose Toronto and NJ could slip in there. Philly will choke again, and I don't see TB going that far. Washington and Boston are just happy to be there.
Add St. Louis to the teams the east has to worry about, they lost only 2 games (!) to the eastern conference all year. Although, having dropped all 5 of their games to Detroit this year makes it unlikely they'll make it to the finals.
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Gutak
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Posted: 04/01/03 - 17:31 Post subject:
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Hockey also suffers from long seasons with many games. No one game seems to mean that much. The playoffs are very exciting to watch and everyone plays so hard. In the regular season many players are just on autopilot, much like the NBA.
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Gutak
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Posted: 04/01/03 - 23:39 Post subject:
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Actually, I was really wondering what Vio and others felt about hockey players playing half-heartedly during the regular season, I enjoy the playoffs, and if more Bruins regular season games were on tv here I would watch them as well (I rarely catch them on radio). I also always get tickets to the NCAA frozen four.
I just can't get excited about the regular season unless I follow nearly every game, which I guess is what it all comes down to. Same follows for me with the NBA and to a lesser extent baseball. Unless I keep up with every game then the season means nothing until the playoffs.
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hitachi
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Posted: 04/02/03 - 09:07 Post subject:
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you are underestimating the caps~
edit: kinda funny you dont see the lightening going far but the caps are just lucky to be there considering the two are so close in the standings.
caps suffered from a s****y first half of a season. if they were consistant they could easily be in the finals.
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Vio
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Posted: 04/02/03 - 09:35 Post subject:
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| Gutak wrote: | Actually, I was really wondering what Vio and others felt about hockey players playing half-heartedly during the regular season, I enjoy the playoffs, and if more Bruins regular season games were on tv here I would watch them as well (I rarely catch them on radio). I also always get tickets to the NCAA frozen four.
I just can't get excited about the regular season unless I follow nearly every game, which I guess is what it all comes down to. Same follows for me with the NBA and to a lesser extent baseball. Unless I keep up with every game then the season means nothing until the playoffs. |
Well as far as playing half-hearted through the regular season I would say that is true for almost all sports. The seasons are long and they do practice/play pretty much everyday. So I do not feel this solely falls into hockey but I would say that players likely do get that way depending on the team they are on - lets face it if you have ever played organized sports it is hard to get up for games if 90% of the time you lose.
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Vio
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Posted: 04/02/03 - 09:36 Post subject:
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| hitachi wrote: | you are underestimating the caps~
edit: kinda funny you dont see the lightening going far but the caps are just lucky to be there considering the two are so close in the standings.
caps suffered from a s****y first half of a season. if they were consistant they could easily be in the finals. |
Caps I would say MIGHT get past the first round......if they're lucky.
Problem with them is if Jagr decides he doesn't feel like playing they are going nowhere and well with that baby anything is possible
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