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Soriak
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 Posted: 12/04/05 - 05:55 Post subject: Banning sale of violent/**** games to minors unconst.
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| Quote: | SPRINGFIELD, Illinois (AP) -- A federal judge ruled Friday that Illinois' restrictions on the sale of violent and **** explicit video games to minors are unconstitutional and barred the state from enforcing the law.
State officials "have come nowhere near" demonstrating that the law passes constitutional muster, said U.S. District Court Judge Matthew Kennelly.
Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich and other supporters of the measure argued that children were being harmed by exposure to games in which characters go on killing sprees or **** escapades.
Opponents declared the law a restriction on free speech and pointed out that similar laws had been struck down in other states.
"It's unfortunate that the state of Illinois spent taxpayer money defending this statute. This is precisely what we told them would happen," said David Vite, president of the Illinois Retail Merchants Association, one of the groups that sued over the law.
The governor's office did not immediately return a call seeking comment.
Other states recently approved similar legislation after hidden **** scenes were discovered in a popular game, "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas." California's version, set to go into effect January 1, is among those being challenged in court.
The Illinois law, which also was to go into effect January 1, would have barred stores from selling or renting extremely violent or **** games to minors, and allowed $1,000 fines for violators.
Kennelly said the law would interfere with the First Amendment and there wasn't a compelling enough reason, such as preventing imminent violence, to allow that.
"In this country, the state lacks the authority to ban protected speech on the ground that it affects the listener's or observer's thoughts and attitudes," the judge wrote.
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Kurel
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Posted: 12/04/05 - 09:16 Post subject:
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I honestly believe it should be up to the retailers (and more importantly parents) and not the government, to choose whether or not to sell violent / **** video games to minors. I'm glad the courts agree with me.
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Jakanden
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Posted: 12/04/05 - 09:20 Post subject:
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| Kurel wrote: | | I honestly believe it should be up to the retailers (and more importantly parents) and not the government, to choose whether or not to sell violent / **** video games to minors. I'm glad the courts agree with me. |
As does everyone in the game industry and anyone with intelligence =)
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Harkov
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Posted: 12/04/05 - 09:48 Post subject: Re: Banning sale of violent/**** games to minors unconst.
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there's an error.. it should read
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Democratic Gov. Richard Dailey and other supporters of the measure |
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Maldek
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Posted: 12/04/05 - 11:59 Post subject: Re: Banning sale of violent/**** games to minors unconst.
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| Harkov wrote: | there's an error.. it should read
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Democratic Gov. Richard Dailey and other supporters of the measure |
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Rod Blagojevich is his porno name
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lotek
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Posted: 12/04/05 - 12:33 Post subject:
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| Kurel wrote: | | I honestly believe it should be up to the retailers (and more importantly parents) and not the government, to choose whether or not to sell violent / **** video games to minors. I'm glad the courts agree with me. |
ya, but we live in a nanny state now. Cant take a shit without government approval.
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Okami
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Posted: 12/04/05 - 16:31 Post subject:
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OK
So by their standards now, kids should be allowed into rated R and X movies.
Minors shouldnt be allowed to purchase a game with mature ratings without parental consent. Just like going to a movie.
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motherface
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Posted: 12/04/05 - 16:35 Post subject:
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| Okami wrote: | OK
So by their standards now, kids should be allowed into rated R and X movies.
Minors shouldnt be allowed to purchase a game with mature ratings without parental consent. Just like going to a movie. |
There's no law about movie ratings though, is there? The studios tell the theaters not to allow kids into movies rated R+ and the theaters do it because they are p*****s, or in some cases, owned by the studios.
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Spiritz
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Posted: 12/04/05 - 17:32 Post subject:
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Games displaying **** content and/or violence ARE harmful to minors. Ever see those f*****g wigger, wannabe gangster f*****g moron kids in the (mall, movie theater, etc)... how do you think they got that way?
The kids who don't know to shut their f*****g mouths and respect adults? Yep, thats how.
Kids will soak up anything they're exposed to. Sure in the end it's the parents responsibilities, but to fight to have minors be able to buy that shit is wrong on so many levels.
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motherface
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Posted: 12/04/05 - 17:38 Post subject:
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| Spiritz wrote: | Games displaying **** content and/or violence ARE harmful to minors. Ever see those f*****g wigger, wannabe gangster f*****g moron kids in the (mall, movie theater, etc)... how do you think they got that way?
The kids who don't know to shut their f*****g mouths and respect adults? Yep, thats how.
Kids will soak up anything they're exposed to. Sure in the end it's the parents responsibilities, but to fight to have minors be able to buy that shit is wrong on so many levels. |
"THINK OF THE CHILDREN!"
Spiritz thinks Uncle Sam knows better than he does how to raise his kids! Go away, commie b*****d.
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Soriak
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Posted: 12/04/05 - 21:56 Post subject:
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| Spiritz wrote: | Games displaying **** content and/or violence ARE harmful to minors. Ever see those f*****g wigger, wannabe gangster f*****g moron kids in the (mall, movie theater, etc)... how do you think they got that way?
The kids who don't know to shut their f*****g mouths and respect adults? Yep, thats how.
Kids will soak up anything they're exposed to. Sure in the end it's the parents responsibilities, but to fight to have minors be able to buy that shit is wrong on so many levels. |
Over here we call it the "MTV culture" - turn on that channel someday and you'll find a much more likely cause for the popularity of the "gangster" image. Out of all computer games, I can really only think of the GTA series that immitates such a gangster life - and you can't ban the sale of hundreds of games because of it.
As for movie ratings - there's no law that bans minors from entering, it's a self enforced policy. Nothing stops the video game industry from doing the same. After all, they can sell to whoever they please.
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Spiritz
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Posted: 12/05/05 - 03:44 Post subject:
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Lol gimps.
As I said in the end it's the parents responsibility. But the point is to say that selling violent and/or **** content games to children is acceptable is b******t, on any level.
Argue that.
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Soriak
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Posted: 12/05/05 - 04:02 Post subject:
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| Spiritz wrote: | Lol gimps.
As I said in the end it's the parents responsibility. But the point is to say that selling violent and/or **** content games to children is acceptable is b******t, on any level.
Argue that. |
In a free country you don't have to find arguments to allow something, but to find conclusive evidence to prohibit something.
Do you think white supremacist ideologies aren't harmful to kids? Yet not allowing the government to ban such speech seemed to be important enough to rank #1 on the bill of rights.
As for **** content in games - right. I really couldn't tell you a single game with such content other than the modded GTA. and if you're shooting others all day, seeing some naked pixelated girl really isn't going to traumatize you.
Do I think an eight year old should play GTA? No way. But that should be up to the parents and not the government. There's also nothing that stops video retailers from self regulation.
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Spiritz
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Posted: 12/05/05 - 04:04 Post subject:
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| Spiritz wrote: | | As I said in the end it's the parents responsibility. |
Do you have kids Soriak?
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Soriak
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Posted: 12/05/05 - 04:21 Post subject:
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Nope, but it really doesn't (or shouldn't) influence my position on a constitutional issue.
I just believe that we shouldn't have more regulations than absolutly necessary. TV in the US is already more regulated than anywhere else in the western world - do kids in america swear less than in europe, just because they bleep out f**k?
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Spiritz
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Posted: 12/05/05 - 04:29 Post subject:
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It shows, no offense.
| Soriak wrote: | | but it really doesn't (or shouldn't) influence my position on a constitutional issue. |
It will. Shit just gets different when you have kids.
| Soriak wrote: | | I just believe that we shouldn't have more regulations than absolutly necessary. TV in the US is already more regulated than anywhere else in the western world - do kids in america swear less than in europe, just because they bleep out f**k? |
I'm all for freedoms and all that junk. I'd like to think I'm a pretty liberal guy, I think everyone should be able to do, listen to, see (etc) whatever the hell they want. My point here, and it's my only point, is that arguing it's OK to sell those types of games to kids is driven purely by greed. Because it isn't ok, not on any level.
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Kin
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Posted: 12/05/05 - 09:16 Post subject:
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Keeping the kids from buying inappropriate games is the parents responsibility, not the retailers. As a former retailer have I sold M rated games to kids who were probably a few years under 17? Probably. Would I sell GTA to an 8 year old? No, but that was my own decision to make.
The tough thing is, you can't really tell who is 17, and who is 15 or 16 reliably and you can't ask for ID either unless you ask for ID from EVERYONE who ever comes up to buy an M rated game. To only ask for ID from some people, and not from others is just opening yourself up for a lawsuit.
Don't laugh, people have sued retailers for asking for an ID for their credit card when they didn't ask the person in front of them for one.... it happens.
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