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Obmar
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 Posted: 09/09/04 - 09:37 Post subject: Anyone else watch 60 minutes last night? Anti Bush Post
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I don't normally watch it but nothing else was on, and as I happened past it I saw Dan Rather discussing George Bush's TX National Guard ... issue.
Except this time he had a guy on that was admitting to being the guy that helped GW get in. He said he was specifically asked, and complied with the request.
Some of the words used were "Preferential Treatment"
The interview/expose went on to discuss the missed medical exam as well, and had multiple memos from the now deceased commander of the guard - in which he struggles with doing his job and "sugar coating" the issue for a congressman's son.
mind you - this is no 527
If this spreads.....
Now for my point (becuase too many people just post articles and don't come with an opinion) -
I've always suspected Bush for "dodging" Vietnam, I even tried to get the staunch supporters here to even grant me that one bit of fact. It seemed obvious, but never was there any more damning proof.
This just goes to prove that Bush is a conniving power lying elitist... like every other politician on the planet - so stop acting so high and mighty everyone. Politics and life are dirty - and power and privilage win.
No one is clean in this election, so now lets talk about the issues.
ob
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LocomanTM
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Obmar
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 09:52 Post subject:
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Totally acceptable - and expected response.
I saw the interview with him last night - they did spend time saying he was a Democrat, and a Kerry supporter. Get him for perjury back then, but it seemed to me like he was telling the truth the whole truth so help him god last night.
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml
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Obmar
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Maldek
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 10:33 Post subject:
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This will f**k him hard and fast !
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Obmar
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Luke Warm
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 12:10 Post subject:
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Hmm, this doesnt smell right. http://www.capitaleye.org/KerryFRchart.11.13.03.asp This guy is the 3rd highest contributor to Kerry. Barnes is not only a supporter but he is one of the top 3.
Ben Barnes was the Lieutenant Governor of Texas (D) back in 1971. His political career was ended due to having ties with a stock fraud scandal. http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/SS/mqs1.html He also surfaced in 1997 involving a GTECH stock fraud scandle: http://texnews.com/texas97/gtech021397.html
| Quote: | No charges have been filed against Barnes, who denies any improprieties in his dealings with GTECH.
Smith was accused in New Jersey of hiring GTECH consultants who would give him a portion of what they earned from the firm. He was convicted in October of defrauding GTECH of $169,500.
In its pre-sentencing report, the U.S. attorney's office in New Jersey asked that federal Judge Nicholas Politan consider Smith's Texas dealings with Barnes and other GTECH consultants.
In Texas, prosecutors alleged, more than $500,000 was paid to Smith through a Barnes bank account. |
Another thing that is strange: http://www.klru.org/texasmonthlytalks/archives/barnes/bio.asp
| Quote: | He was a member of President Johnson’s Commission on Intergovernmental Relations, U.S. representative to the NATO Conference in 1967, and United Nations Representative to Geneva, Switzerland, in 1968.
In 1969, Barnes was elected lieutenant governor of Texas and served from 1969 to 1973.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories
| Quote: | | In an interview broadcast Wednesday, former Texas House Speaker and Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes told CBS News Anchor Dan Rather that in 1968, at the request of a Houston businessman friendly with the Bush family, he helped arrange to get George W. Bush into the Texas National Guard. |
Wouldnt that place Barnes in New York or in Europe in 1968? Really strange.
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Confused
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 12:35 Post subject:
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It doesn't matter that he said the complete opposite to his current claims while under oath, right? Why do they even give a guy like this airtime? Hint below.
Liberal media.
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Luke Warm
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Zonk
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 14:45 Post subject:
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hi im from Alabama and i want to be on TV. These reporters are gonna make me say shit i dont want to, but they say i will be famous if i say this about bush.
Next Step?
Swift boats gonna come out with more shit about Kerry's Vietnam tour.
Shooting at kids and burning houses then betraying your country and telling on soldiers > being in reserves and not really haveing to do anything. Right dems?
its just gonna backfire on kerry if it blows up then he will do somthing again about Bush's record and it goes on and on til election.
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 14:48 Post subject:
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Bush Is Winning!
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Confused
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 15:38 Post subject:
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Oops!
[url]http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200409\POL20040909d.html[/url]
CBS should try and use better forgers next time.
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Luke Warm
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 15:41 Post subject:
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| Zonk wrote: |
Next Step?
Swift boats gonna come out with more shit about Kerry's Vietnam tour.
Shooting at kids and burning houses then betraying your country and telling on soldiers > being in reserves and not really haveing to do anything. Right dems?
its just gonna backfire on kerry if it blows up then he will do somthing again about Bush's record and it goes on and on til election. |
Yep, here it comes. It is just going to get nastier until the election: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,131880,00.html
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 15:45 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | Oops!
[url]http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200409\POL20040909d.html[/url]
CBS should try and use better forgers next time. |
Democrats are reaching, couldn't they have just found an old typewriter somewhere...geez.
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Docter
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 16:38 Post subject:
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Come on, the signatures don't even match...geez!
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Obmar
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 18:47 Post subject:
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i hear scrabling
like a crab..scuttle scuttle
sounds like some frightened rights to me
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Luke Warm
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 19:37 Post subject:
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Actually, I dont think so. From the news reports, I am seeing more strange things from the Democrats. Tonight, on ABC World News, the issue about some of the documents being forged came up in the reports.
Republican reaction:
http://news.excite.com/politics/article/id/37060|politics|09-09-2004::14:26|reuters.html (Rep say Dem are recycling old attacks due to drop in polls)
Democrat reaction:
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040909/D850CRCG0.html (Dems Take Chance With 'Fortunate Son' Slam)
The strange stuff:
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040909/D850DLEO0.html (Killian's son stating some of the papers do not appear legit)
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=4ARCHIY0T4G1WCRBAEZSFFA?type=politicsNews&storyID=6195988
(Minnesota Democrats Disavow Hitler Bumper Sticker)
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=QLQ1PS5BZUG3ACRBAELCFFA?type=politicsNews&storyID=6198063
(Kerry states that Bush is a "false prophet" who traffics in politics of division)
Really strange stuff and a bit nasty. An ABC poll was just released tonight which does a breakdown between candidates. Bush is currently ahead. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/Vote2004/bush_campaign_poll_040909.html
| Quote: | Probably worst for Kerry, his "favorable" rating has gone negative, meaning that more registered voters now express an unfavorable than a favorable opinion of him, 42 to 36 percent. Kerry's favorable rating — the most basic measure of a public figure's popularity — has dropped by 15 points since his convention.
Bush's favorability rating has held essentially steady, and his job approval rating is now 52 percent among all Americans and registered voters alike — the first time it's edged above 50 percent among the general population in ABC/Post polls since April. The number who are dissatisfied with the nation's direction, similarly, has inched below 50 percent. |
I think the plan for the Democrats to become "more aggressive" in the mud slinging is backfiring for them. It will most likely get worse as the election draws nearer.
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 20:24 Post subject:
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Democrats are so cute! This guy WORKS for Kerry, plays golf with Kerry and even has a house next to Kerry. He swore under oath in '99 to the contrary, and now, guarenteed a position in Kerrys cabinet he suddenly changes his mind. What a coincidence! 
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 20:41 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | i hear scrabling
like a crab..scuttle scuttle
sounds like some frightened rights to me |
Bush is a front runner.
/yawn
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Frax
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Posted: 09/10/04 - 10:38 Post subject:
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Good stuff Conqueso.
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Luke Warm
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Posted: 09/10/04 - 13:14 Post subject:
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On Nightline tonight, I heard that Killian's wife will be interviewed. They were reading some of the transript earlier today. It should be an interesting conversation. There is some talk to request an investigation by the FBI since government document forgery is suspected plus it involves interference of a political election. (The latter, but not the former, is a bit of a grey area imo.)
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Posted: 09/10/04 - 18:03 Post subject:
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Friday, Sept. 10, 2004 12:59 a.m. EDT
Caddell: Dan Rather May Have Cost Kerry the Election
Longtime Democratic strategist Pat Caddell said Friday that if documents aired by CBS newsman Dan Rather Wednesday night turn out to be forged, as alleged by experts, the presidential race "is over."
"It would be the end of the race," Caddell told Fox News Live. "It would be the end of the race," he repeated.
"[Democratic officials are] so involved in this," the former Carter pollster worried. "They have gotten themselves so involved in this issue [in] the last 24 hours that somebody's going to, if they're not authentic, they're going to be blamed for it. It's incredible to me that they've gotten in this."
Caddell said he wasn't trying to sensationalize the issue, explaining that instead "I'm trying to save my party, you know, by telling the truth."
He said that forfeiting the presidential race would be the least of his party's problems if Democrats are tied to any forgery scandal.
"The race is over – and we've got bigger problems than that," he warned.
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I hear the fat lady clearing her throat...
In other news, Dan Blather is scheduled to go on the air tonight to defend the memo's.
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Luke Warm
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Posted: 09/10/04 - 18:28 Post subject:
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The Democrats could of easily distanced themselves from it but many chose to embrace it. From what I read, Kerry was actually doing a good job not to get involved with it. His supporters however...
http://washtimes.com/national/20040910-011417-2610r.htm
The DNC chairman trying to say it was a Republican ploy instigated by Karl Rove? I am hoping it was taken out of context by the reporter, but I am not sure. I can't find another source.
I dont think it will ruin the election for the Dems unless they and/or their support groups continue to bash the Rep based on the memos. I do think that CBS's "credibility" was severely damaged by it. I bet what will happen is that it will "disappear" or a small liberal group supporting Kerry (but not endorsed by Kerry) will be blamed for supplying the memos. Either that or there will be a fall guy.
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Posted: 09/10/04 - 22:51 Post subject:
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| Pankrat wrote: | Friday, Sept. 10, 2004 12:59 a.m. EDT
Caddell: Dan Rather May Have Cost Kerry the Election
Longtime Democratic strategist Pat Caddell said Friday that if documents aired by CBS newsman Dan Rather Wednesday night turn out to be forged, as alleged by experts, the presidential race "is over."
"It would be the end of the race," Caddell told Fox News Live. "It would be the end of the race," he repeated.
"[Democratic officials are] so involved in this," the former Carter pollster worried. "They have gotten themselves so involved in this issue [in] the last 24 hours that somebody's going to, if they're not authentic, they're going to be blamed for it. It's incredible to me that they've gotten in this."
Caddell said he wasn't trying to sensationalize the issue, explaining that instead "I'm trying to save my party, you know, by telling the truth."
He said that forfeiting the presidential race would be the least of his party's problems if Democrats are tied to any forgery scandal.
"The race is over – and we've got bigger problems than that," he warned.
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I hear the fat lady clearing her throat...
In other news, Dan Blather is scheduled to go on the air tonight to defend the memo's. |
Your joking right? This guy not even with the campain.. And where did this even get kerry get to be part of this.. Just like GW he is no part of it swiftwater...
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Posted: 09/10/04 - 23:22 Post subject:
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why are we focusing more on what happened 30 years ago when Bush wasnt even political and kerry had no wrinkles than we are on the issues?
Whats sad is that this stuff affects the average american's vote. Swiftboat, national guard crap, who might have done a drug once when they were 20... gimme a break!
I do blame Kerry for focusing more on his Vietnam record in the beginning of the campaign than on anything else. If he'd kept it modest then maybe this crap would be about something significant.
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Posted: 09/11/04 - 00:02 Post subject:
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| hunnybunny wrote: | why are we focusing more on what happened 30 years ago when Bush wasnt even political and kerry had no wrinkles than we are on the issues?
Whats sad is that this stuff affects the average american's vote. Swiftboat, national guard crap, who might have done a drug once when they were 20... gimme a break!
I do blame Kerry for focusing more on his Vietnam record in the beginning of the campaign than on anything else. If he'd kept it modest then maybe this crap would be about something significant. |
The main focus of it all is whether or not Bush/Kerry are honest people. If someone lied about service or drug use in the past then maybe they don't mind lying to the country about what they are doing in office, that's why it is such a big deal in this election.
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Posted: 09/11/04 - 00:03 Post subject:
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| hunnybunny wrote: | why are we focusing more on what happened 30 years ago when Bush wasnt even political and kerry had no wrinkles than we are on the issues?
Whats sad is that this stuff affects the average american's vote. Swiftboat, national guard crap, who might have done a drug once when they were 20... gimme a break!
I do blame Kerry for focusing more on his Vietnam record in the beginning of the campaign than on anything else. If he'd kept it modest then maybe this crap would be about something significant. |
The main focus of it all is whether or not Bush/Kerry are honest people. If someone lied about service or drug use in the past then maybe they don't mind lying to the country about what they are doing in office, that's why it is such a big deal in this election.
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Posted: 09/11/04 - 00:35 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | hunnybunny wrote: | why are we focusing more on what happened 30 years ago when Bush wasnt even political and kerry had no wrinkles than we are on the issues?
Whats sad is that this stuff affects the average american's vote. Swiftboat, national guard crap, who might have done a drug once when they were 20... gimme a break!
I do blame Kerry for focusing more on his Vietnam record in the beginning of the campaign than on anything else. If he'd kept it modest then maybe this crap would be about something significant. |
The main focus of it all is whether or not Bush/Kerry are honest people. If someone lied about service or drug use in the past then maybe they don't mind lying to the country about what they are doing in office, that's why it is such a big deal in this election. |
They're politicians- of course they arent honest people 
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Posted: 09/11/04 - 00:55 Post subject:
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| hunnybunny wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | hunnybunny wrote: | why are we focusing more on what happened 30 years ago when Bush wasnt even political and kerry had no wrinkles than we are on the issues?
Whats sad is that this stuff affects the average american's vote. Swiftboat, national guard crap, who might have done a drug once when they were 20... gimme a break!
I do blame Kerry for focusing more on his Vietnam record in the beginning of the campaign than on anything else. If he'd kept it modest then maybe this crap would be about something significant. |
The main focus of it all is whether or not Bush/Kerry are honest people. If someone lied about service or drug use in the past then maybe they don't mind lying to the country about what they are doing in office, that's why it is such a big deal in this election. |
They're politicians- of course they arent honest people |
See, I agree with Hunnybunny here, I just don't see the purpose. Vietnam was an awful war, and I'm sure that if as a parent you have the possibility to "bump" your son up on a waitinglist, to avoid having him sent off to a dead zone, anyone would. So, even if that is the case, wtf cares? So what if he did some drugs when he was young/in college, isn't that really irrelevant (sp)?
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