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Confused
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| Haroun Zehra wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Syke wrote: | Not exactly sure how you tied some Iraqi prisoners being disrespected to Liberals being bad, but uhh...
Ok..*shrug* Anyone that gets killed over this one is going to get killed by p****d off muslims..at least I'm pretty sure. |
Because liberals made a huge issue about it, so our enemies seize on the opportunity. If the anti-american leftists handled it like I said they should (i.e. by saying these isolated incidents would be prosecuted and shutting the f**k up) then these dumbfucks wouldn't be making such a big deal. Riots and a couple dozen american deaths to follow. Thanks leftists! |
Hmm. Y'know, if Bush hadn't kept beating the "humanitarian" part of the war on Iraq into our heads, it might not have been such a big deal.
Here's the problem:
- Bush said a reason for the war was to lift the oppression of the Iraqis. This includes putting an end to things like basic human rights violations (I'm not talking accidental civilian deaths or anything)
- Folks in the field made the mistake of abusing prisoners
- Folks in the field made the mistake of getting caught.
- Bush is getting burned for it
Blame it all you want on the "liberals," but really, this is a pretty basic series of mistakes that were made and if they're so clueless as to make 'em, and get caught, well, too bad. |
Actually, my ignorant canadian friend, Bush isn't getting burned for it. I haven't heard much Bush-bashing. Leftists are bashing troops. Their trying to turn public sentiment against them. I guess leftists have finally found the parallel to vietnam that they've been searching for. Now go f**k a moose.
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 16:16 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | rotesters carrying Iraqi flags and placards reading in English "You have given a bad impression of America and Christians," |
My response to that would have been to show them pictures of mutilated contractors hanging from a bridge.
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Zapper
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 16:16 Post subject:
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But Haroun it's not that the people who commited these acts are wrong, no one on this board is faulting them. It's the liberals that are making a big deal of this and have therefore (through the large amount of influence they hold over Iraqis) will cause them to demonstrate and kill americans.
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Confused
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 16:17 Post subject:
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| Zapper wrote: | | But Haroun it's not that the people who commited these acts are wrong, no one on this board is faulting them. It's the liberals that are making a big deal of this and have therefore (through the large amount of influence they hold over Iraqis) will cause them to demonstrate and kill americans. |
I'm not surprised that you still miss the point.
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 16:18 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: |
Actually, my ignorant canadian friend, Bush isn't getting burned for it. I haven't heard much Bush-bashing. Leftists are bashing troops. Their trying to turn public sentiment against them. I guess leftists have finally found the parallel to vietnam that they've been searching for. Now go f**k a moose. |
That's the most stereotypical paragraph I have ever read in my life, just wow.
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Zapper
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 16:18 Post subject:
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Enlighten me then my redneck friend..
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 16:19 Post subject:
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God dam I hate the word liberal.
Just say "people I don't agree with" so you sound less like a buzz word w***e.
Dam it's getting old.
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 16:20 Post subject:
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| Banzai wrote: | God dam I hate the word liberal.
Just say "people I don't agree with" so you sound less like a buzz word w***e.
Dam it's getting old. |
I use "leftists" now. It has a nice ring to it.
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 16:20 Post subject:
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| Noktyn wrote: | | Confused wrote: |
Actually, my ignorant canadian friend, Bush isn't getting burned for it. I haven't heard much Bush-bashing. Leftists are bashing troops. Their trying to turn public sentiment against them. I guess leftists have finally found the parallel to vietnam that they've been searching for. Now go f**k a moose. |
That's the most stereotypical paragraph I have ever read in my life, just wow. |
Shut the f**k up, leftist.
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 16:21 Post subject:
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| Zapper wrote: | | Enlighten me then my redneck friend.. |
I already tried, but you're too close-minded. Go back and read more carefully to try and grasp the very simple point I so eloquently put across.
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 16:21 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Banzai wrote: | God dam I hate the word liberal.
Just say "people I don't agree with" so you sound less like a buzz word w***e.
Dam it's getting old. |
I use "leftists" now. It has a nice ring to it. |
Ralative to "liberal" leftist is much better.
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 16:24 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Zapper wrote: | | Enlighten me then my redneck friend.. |
I already tried, but you're too close-minded. Go back and read more carefully to try and grasp the very simple point I so eloquently put across. |
Simple it was, indeed.
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 16:26 Post subject:
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George is locked in, no matter how much shit kerrry talks, or how many idiots get filmed p*****g on prisoners.
4 more years!
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 16:27 Post subject:
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| Zapper wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Zapper wrote: | | Enlighten me then my redneck friend.. |
I already tried, but you're too close-minded. Go back and read more carefully to try and grasp the very simple point I so eloquently put across. |
Simple it was, indeed. |
And yet out of grasp for you.
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 16:27 Post subject:
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It looks like he just let one rip an Powell got a whiff of it 
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Haroun Zehra
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 16:32 Post subject:
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The biggest mistake the troops made was turning their duties over to the "contractors." From what I understand, the troops didn't actually have that much to do with it but, truthfully, I haven't been watching very carefully.
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Basically, what Confused is trying to say is ...
There are people in Iraq that want us out of Iraq.
There are people in America that want us out of Iraq. (according to Confused, this is unpatriotic.) AKA "Leftists"...
Confused seems to think that "Leftists" want to use this incident as an excuse to get us out of Iraq, by God knows how...I guess if the American populace feels that we aren't having an effect in Iraq, they will eventually vote for Kerry. This is what the Iraqis want, supposedly, so they're now going to make it even harder for America, (Bush in particular), to create this stable democracy we've all been raving about.
The fact that all the Arabs are up in arms is a direct result (according to Confused) of all the "Leftists" making an issue out of the debauchery of those Iraqi prisoners. If no one made a stink about it, none of the arabs would have gotten uppity and started talking shit on the US, and all would be well, right? Just keep it under wraps?
I say you're full of shit Confused, and your sight on this issue is a bit distorted.
As usual.
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syke you liberal socialistic scumbag!
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 17:52 Post subject:
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| Syke wrote: | Basically, what Confused is trying to say is ...
There are people in Iraq that want us out of Iraq.
There are people in America that want us out of Iraq. (according to Confused, this is unpatriotic.) AKA "Leftists"...
Confused seems to think that "Leftists" want to use this incident as an excuse to get us out of Iraq, by God knows how...I guess if the American populace feels that we aren't having an effect in Iraq, they will eventually vote for Kerry. This is what the Iraqis want, supposedly, so they're now going to make it even harder for America, (Bush in particular), to create this stable democracy we've all been raving about.
The fact that all the Arabs are up in arms is a direct result (according to Confused) of all the "Leftists" making an issue out of the debauchery of those Iraqi prisoners. If no one made a stink about it, none of the arabs would have gotten uppity and started talking shit on the US, and all would be well, right? Just keep it under wraps?
I say you're full of shit Confused, and your sight on this issue is a bit distorted.
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You're getting close, but not quite there. Democrats don't simply want us out of Iraq. They want us to fail as we leave. Conservatives want us to leave Iraq, but only with a stable government left behind. So it's not that leftists are trying to use this as a means of getting us out of Iraq. Rather, they're using it as a way to turn Iraqi sentiment against the US so that the US will fail in its efforts. It's pretty despicable.
If leftists were genuinely concerned with America, they wouldn't give our enemies reasons to get up in arms and attack our troops some more (as kerry did a couple months ago). They would do as Bush did...Condemn the isolated incidents and say those who violated US policy will be tried. But no...Leftists immediately have to condemn all of the armed forces as harbingers of desctruction in the middle east.
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 17:58 Post subject:
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are people trying to poison you confused?
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 18:01 Post subject:
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| lauren000 wrote: | | are people trying to poison you confused? |
chop chop!
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Haroun Zehra
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| Confused wrote: | | If leftists were genuinely concerned with America, they wouldn't give our enemies reasons to get up in arms and attack our troops some more (as kerry did a couple months ago). |
Oh, for f**k's sake are you stupid. Bush's gov't is OCCUPYING the country it invaded. That's the reason people are up in arms, you dumb shit.
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 18:09 Post subject:
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The left has always been a stronger propionate of human rights so this isn't news. In relation to our solders it is and that is why it's getting so much attention.
The shoe is on the other foot and in this climate the left is exploiting it as well as the Arabs to turn the heat up on the administration as we get closer to election time.
If it weren’t about solders being pictured in a dog pile it would be about something as equally as trivial like a b******b.
Politics.
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 18:18 Post subject:
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| Haroun Zehra wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | If leftists were genuinely concerned with America, they wouldn't give our enemies reasons to get up in arms and attack our troops some more (as kerry did a couple months ago). |
Oh, for f**k's sake are you stupid. Bush's gov't is OCCUPYING the country it invaded. That's the reason people are up in arms, you dumb shit. |
Your brain does not work very well.
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Syke
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 19:11 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Syke wrote: | Basically, what Confused is trying to say is ...
There are people in Iraq that want us out of Iraq.
There are people in America that want us out of Iraq. (according to Confused, this is unpatriotic.) AKA "Leftists"...
Confused seems to think that "Leftists" want to use this incident as an excuse to get us out of Iraq, by God knows how...I guess if the American populace feels that we aren't having an effect in Iraq, they will eventually vote for Kerry. This is what the Iraqis want, supposedly, so they're now going to make it even harder for America, (Bush in particular), to create this stable democracy we've all been raving about.
The fact that all the Arabs are up in arms is a direct result (according to Confused) of all the "Leftists" making an issue out of the debauchery of those Iraqi prisoners. If no one made a stink about it, none of the arabs would have gotten uppity and started talking shit on the US, and all would be well, right? Just keep it under wraps?
I say you're full of shit Confused, and your sight on this issue is a bit distorted.
As usual. |
You're getting close, but not quite there. Democrats don't simply want us out of Iraq. They want us to fail as we leave. Conservatives want us to leave Iraq, but only with a stable government left behind. So it's not that leftists are trying to use this as a means of getting us out of Iraq. Rather, they're using it as a way to turn Iraqi sentiment against the US so that the US will fail in its efforts. It's pretty despicable.
If leftists were genuinely concerned with America, they wouldn't give our enemies reasons to get up in arms and attack our troops some more (as kerry did a couple months ago). They would do as Bush did...Condemn the isolated incidents and say those who violated US policy will be tried. But no...Leftists immediately have to condemn all of the armed forces as harbingers of desctruction in the middle east. |
Once again, I think you're misenterperating the disdain and disapproval of this war by democrats with "wanting" us to fail.
If Democrats knew that this war would bring freedom to the Iraqis, stability to the region, and to our country, then they would be all for the war. Don't argue that for one second Confused, because it will make you sound a bit more confused than you already are.
The reality is that Democrats didn't want this war to begin with, and they stick by this view all throughout. It's freedom of choice...
The fact that they continue to show disapproval of this war does not mean they "want us to fail". It means they feel that we were failing to begin with, failing now, and will fail to achieve the Administration's purpose in Iraq.
They would love for us to succeed, they just don't believe that this is the path to success.
Now, the Iraqis may see that even Americans are in disapproval of their own war and want to take advantage of our "weakness" as you call it, and try to resist as much as possible until the election so Kerry has a higher chance of being elected come election time.
This is a definite possibility, in fact it's definitely going to happen, but regardless of American opinion these Arabs would have gotten just as huffed about this debauchery as they would if American opinion was 100% in favor of Bush and the war in Iraq.
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 19:12 Post subject:
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| Syke wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Syke wrote: | Basically, what Confused is trying to say is ...
There are people in Iraq that want us out of Iraq.
There are people in America that want us out of Iraq. (according to Confused, this is unpatriotic.) AKA "Leftists"...
Confused seems to think that "Leftists" want to use this incident as an excuse to get us out of Iraq, by God knows how...I guess if the American populace feels that we aren't having an effect in Iraq, they will eventually vote for Kerry. This is what the Iraqis want, supposedly, so they're now going to make it even harder for America, (Bush in particular), to create this stable democracy we've all been raving about.
The fact that all the Arabs are up in arms is a direct result (according to Confused) of all the "Leftists" making an issue out of the debauchery of those Iraqi prisoners. If no one made a stink about it, none of the arabs would have gotten uppity and started talking shit on the US, and all would be well, right? Just keep it under wraps?
I say you're full of shit Confused, and your sight on this issue is a bit distorted.
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You're getting close, but not quite there. Democrats don't simply want us out of Iraq. They want us to fail as we leave. Conservatives want us to leave Iraq, but only with a stable government left behind. So it's not that leftists are trying to use this as a means of getting us out of Iraq. Rather, they're using it as a way to turn Iraqi sentiment against the US so that the US will fail in its efforts. It's pretty despicable.
If leftists were genuinely concerned with America, they wouldn't give our enemies reasons to get up in arms and attack our troops some more (as kerry did a couple months ago). They would do as Bush did...Condemn the isolated incidents and say those who violated US policy will be tried. But no...Leftists immediately have to condemn all of the armed forces as harbingers of desctruction in the middle east. |
Once again, I think you're misenterperating the disdain and disapproval of this war by democrats with "wanting" us to fail.
If Democrats knew that this war would bring freedom to the Iraqis, stability to the region, and to our country, then they would be all for the war. Don't argue that for one second Confused, because it will make you sound a bit more confused than you already are.
The reality is that Democrats didn't want this war to begin with, and they stick by this view all throughout. It's freedom of choice...
The fact that they continue to show disapproval of this war does not mean they "want us to fail". It means they feel that we were failing to begin with, failing now, and will fail to achieve the Administration's purpose in Iraq.
They would love for us to succeed, they just don't believe that this is the path to success.
Now, the Iraqis may see that even Americans are in disapproval of their own war and want to take advantage of our "weakness" as you call it, and try to resist as much as possible until the election so Kerry has a higher chance of being elected come election time.
This is a definite possibility, in fact it's definitely going to happen, but regardless of American opinion these Arabs would have gotten just as huffed about this debauchery as they would if American opinion was 100% in favor of Bush and the war in Iraq. |
I just saw Kerry on TV saying that Bush didn't respond quickly enough to those pictures. Bush responded the same day. Leftists want America to fail. Pay attention when they speak.
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I dunno, depends on when Bush actually figured out about those pictures, and how long it took for the American public to figure out about those pictures.
Is there a definite date when the pictures were taken, when Bush found out about it, and when it was publicized by the crazy "leftists" you speak so fondly of?
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Posted: 05/05/04 - 19:16 Post subject:
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| Syke wrote: | I dunno, depends on when Bush actually figured out about those pictures, and how long it took for the American public to figure out about those pictures.
Is there a definite date when the pictures were taken, when Bush found out about it, and when it was publicized by the crazy "leftists" you speak so fondly of? |
Less than 24 hours....less than 24 hours.
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