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motherface
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Posted: 01/09/06 - 12:47 Post subject: Annoying people on the interweb is now illegal
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http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance%2C+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-6022491.html
| Quote: | Create an e-annoyance, go to jail
By Declan McCullagh
http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance%2C+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-6022491.html
Story last modified Mon Jan 09 04:00:00 PST 2006
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Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime.
It's no joke. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages without disclosing your true identity.
In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as long as you do it under your real name. Thank Congress for small favors, I guess.
This ridiculous prohibition, which would likely imperil much of Usenet, is buried in the so-called Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and two years in prison.
"The use of the word 'annoy' is particularly problematic," says Marv Johnson, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "What's annoying to one person may not be annoying to someone else."
Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, an innocuously titled bit called "Preventing Cyberstalking." It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet "without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy."
To grease the rails for this idea, Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican, and the section's other sponsors slipped it into an unrelated, must-pass bill to fund the Department of Justice. The plan: to make it politically infeasible for politicians to oppose the measure.
The tactic worked. The bill cleared the House of Representatives by voice vote, and the Senate unanimously approved it Dec. 16.
There's an interesting side note. An earlier version that the House approved in September had radically different wording. It was reasonable by comparison, and criminalized only using an "interactive computer service" to cause someone "substantial emotional harm."
That kind of prohibition might make sense. But why should merely annoying someone be illegal?
There are perfectly legitimate reasons to set up a Web site or write something incendiary without telling everyone exactly who you are.
Think about it: A woman fired by a manager who demanded **** favors wants to blog about it without divulging her full name. An aspiring pundit hopes to set up the next Suck.com. A frustrated citizen wants to send e-mail describing corruption in local government without worrying about reprisals.
In each of those three cases, someone's probably going to be annoyed. That's enough to make the action a crime. (The Justice Department won't file charges in every case, of course, but trusting prosecutorial discretion is hardly reassuring.)
Clinton Fein, a San Francisco resident who runs the Annoy.com site, says a feature permitting visitors to send obnoxious and profane postcards through e-mail could be imperiled.
"Who decides what's annoying? That's the ultimate question," Fein said. He added: "If you send an annoying message via the United States Post Office, do you have to reveal your identity?"
Fein once sued to overturn part of the Communications Decency Act that outlawed transmitting indecent material "with intent to annoy." But the courts ruled the law applied only to obscene material, so Annoy.com didn't have to worry.
"I'm certainly not going to close the site down," Fein said on Friday. "I would fight it on First Amendment grounds."
He's right. Our esteemed politicians can't seem to grasp this simple point, but the First Amendment protects our right to write something that annoys someone else.
It even shields our right to do it anonymously. U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas defended this principle magnificently in a 1995 case involving an Ohio woman who was punished for distributing anonymous political pamphlets.
If President Bush truly believed in the principle of limited government (it is in his official bio), he'd realize that the law he signed cannot be squared with the Constitution he swore to uphold.
And then he'd repeat what President Clinton did a decade ago when he felt compelled to sign a massive telecommunications law. Clinton realized that the section of the law punishing abortion-related material on the Internet was unconstitutional, and he directed the Justice Department not to enforce it.
Bush has the chance to show his respect for what he calls Americans' personal freedoms. Now we'll see if the president rises to the occasion.
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Finigan
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Posted: 01/09/06 - 12:56 Post subject:
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That's too much words to read. All I need to know is if its ok to sue atarom.
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Sutto
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Posted: 01/09/06 - 12:57 Post subject:
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no because we've seen his real face ect... and his name can be found
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Finigan
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Posted: 01/09/06 - 13:02 Post subject:
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| Sutto wrote: | | no because we've seen his real face ect... and his name can be found |
According to his best friend and life-partner, Brash. He's actually a woman. Which would mean we actually haven't seen his real face and his name, etc. is a clever lie.
Can I PLEASE sue him??
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Ishmael
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Posted: 01/09/06 - 13:46 Post subject:
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I'm gunna sue motherface.
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Occulis
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Posted: 01/09/06 - 13:56 Post subject:
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Well, as long as I'm safe from terror I don't mind if we're all in prison.
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Rennol
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Posted: 01/09/06 - 14:10 Post subject:
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lol im sending a link to realpoor to the justice department, they can handle it from there
WATCH OUT b*****s
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 01/09/06 - 14:37 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | | Well, as long as I'm safe from terror I don't mind if we're all in prison. |
There will be terror in the prison shower room, Jason Dunn. Oh yes. There will be terror.
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motherface
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Posted: 01/09/06 - 14:48 Post subject:
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This is a nice lesson for all the retards who say "as long as you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to hide." If you'll notice they are continually criminalizing almost everything to ensure that everyone is breaking some law, because the law is the only power they have, and they can't control someone who hasn't done anything wrong, so they make random things illegal so that everyone's a criminal. It's an old trick.
And yes, I'm glad this will keep the terrorists away. I can feel waves of happiness already.
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Ishmael
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Posted: 01/09/06 - 15:28 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Occulis wrote: | | Well, as long as I'm safe from terror I don't mind if we're all in prison. |
There will be terror in the prison shower room, Jason Dunn. Oh yes. There will be terror. |
lmfao
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kemble
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Posted: 01/09/06 - 15:43 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | | Well, as long as I'm safe from terror I don't mind if we're all in prison. |
Go USA!
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FockTop
Sir Postalot

Joined: 23 Dec 2004 Posts: 1055
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Posted: 01/09/06 - 15:49 Post subject:
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Ok next after farting in public is very annoying and is now a crime in the US.
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Soriak
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Posted: 01/09/06 - 23:01 Post subject:
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If "annoying" were left out, the law would make perfect sense. It's illegal to threaten someone in person or over the phone - why shouldn't it also be so on the internet? Same goes for harrassment.
I'd imagine "annoying" is going to be more along the lines of Kbarr's picture spamming - not as in voicing an opinion or sharing a story that annoys someone.
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kireol
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Posted: 01/09/06 - 23:51 Post subject:
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this thread annoys me. i'm sueing PHPBB!!
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Xismakin
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Posted: 01/10/06 - 00:32 Post subject:
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Shit, I'm out of a job!
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kbarr
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Posted: 01/10/06 - 01:18 Post subject:
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I'm melting, I'm melting!
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kbarr
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Posted: 01/10/06 - 01:20 Post subject:
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| Soriak wrote: | If "annoying" were left out, the law would make perfect sense. It's illegal to threaten someone in person or over the phone - why shouldn't it also be so on the internet? Same goes for harrassment.
I'd imagine "annoying" is going to be more along the lines of Kbarr's picture spamming - not as in voicing an opinion or sharing a story that annoys someone. |
I find your stupidity annoying, you and your liberal views are too much for me to take.
Now, I need to find a scumbag lawyer to take the case.
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 01/10/06 - 05:56 Post subject:
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In Belgium it's still required to have a Belgian ID card besides your passport and since a year or 2 it's now chipped. From next year on we will need a electronic chip reader attached to our computer for things such as msn. No more anonymous chatting here!
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Aluaeia
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Posted: 01/10/06 - 06:23 Post subject:
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| Frostkiss wrote: | | In Belgium it's still required to have a Belgian ID card besides your passport and since a year or 2 it's now chipped. From next year on we will need a electronic chip reader attached to our computer for things such as msn. No more anonymous chatting here! |
hahaha.
When do you get your marks?
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 01/10/06 - 07:56 Post subject:
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| Aluaeia wrote: | | Frostkiss wrote: | | In Belgium it's still required to have a Belgian ID card besides your passport and since a year or 2 it's now chipped. From next year on we will need a electronic chip reader attached to our computer for things such as msn. No more anonymous chatting here! |
hahaha.
When do you get your marks? |
Marks? I lost you there I think
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kemble
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Posted: 01/10/06 - 08:23 Post subject:
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| Frostkiss wrote: | | Aluaeia wrote: | | Frostkiss wrote: | | In Belgium it's still required to have a Belgian ID card besides your passport and since a year or 2 it's now chipped. From next year on we will need a electronic chip reader attached to our computer for things such as msn. No more anonymous chatting here! |
hahaha.
When do you get your marks? |
Marks? I lost you there I think |
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Ikkan
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Posted: 01/10/06 - 10:35 Post subject:
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| kemble wrote: | | Frostkiss wrote: | | Aluaeia wrote: | | Frostkiss wrote: | | In Belgium it's still required to have a Belgian ID card besides your passport and since a year or 2 it's now chipped. From next year on we will need a electronic chip reader attached to our computer for things such as msn. No more anonymous chatting here! |
hahaha.
When do you get your marks? |
Marks? I lost you there I think |
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lolz
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Occulis
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Posted: 01/10/06 - 11:27 Post subject:
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nice - i'm sure there's absolutely no way to foil those devices. belgium is now safe.
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Frostkiss
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khrath
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Posted: 01/10/06 - 12:47 Post subject:
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bunch of p***y ass f****t w***e s**t b*****s
Sup my name is James u n*****s
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Occulis
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Posted: 01/10/06 - 12:50 Post subject:
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| Frostkiss wrote: | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02/01/msn_belgium_id_cards/
I dunno, it seems like they're pretty serious about it. |
Sure, they're serious. How long does it take to crack a security application? Usually 24 hours or less. This device is useless to the citizens and avoidable by criminals.
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khrath
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Posted: 01/10/06 - 12:55 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | | Frostkiss wrote: | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02/01/msn_belgium_id_cards/
I dunno, it seems like they're pretty serious about it. |
Sure, they're serious. How long does it take to crack a security application? Usually 24 hours or less. This device is useless to the citizens and avoidable by criminals. |
Why do birds
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