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Docter
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WheresNWS
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Yeah. Sorry. My fault. I tripped and accidentally hit the "launch" and "time travel" buttons at the same time. It won't happen again.
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Faerdal
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Posted: 08/13/03 - 21:24 Post subject:
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i opened that up and briefly scanned it, and then thought "well this is some pretty ignorant shit, i bet docter responded to this thread.. he's big on crazy conspiracy theory and small on brains"
and then i hit back in the browser, and saw that it was you that POSTED it. i should have known.
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Banzai
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Posted: 08/14/03 - 12:56 Post subject:
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Interesting read.
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merdocc
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Posted: 08/14/03 - 13:05 Post subject:
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Wouldn't asteroids produce the same type of effects?
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Banzai
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Posted: 08/14/03 - 13:15 Post subject:
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They talk about that. It says there is no crater to link a astiroid with the phenomina.
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Docter
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Posted: 08/14/03 - 17:49 Post subject:
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| Faerdal wrote: | | .. he's big on crazy conspiracy theory and small on brains" |
Kindly f**k the hell off, k thanks. At least I have an open mind and am curious about mysteries.
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Hobbet
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Posted: 08/14/03 - 17:57 Post subject:
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Coolness.
Docters post are the few I read that actualy have something interesting to say. If intresting isnt your thing then why click on something thats title has to do with atomic warfare in ancient times?
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Docter
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Posted: 08/14/03 - 18:01 Post subject:
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Thanks Hobbet, for guarding my "6". 
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Arinwulf
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Posted: 08/14/03 - 18:02 Post subject:
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Please, this article quotes people who are big into atlantis and ufo's. The quotes from real science news sources give reasons why the glass might be distributed the way it is and yes, an aerial blast like the tunguska event (which didn't produced a crater) could generate the material.
And Greek fire is made by eating grape leaves stuffed with jalapeno peppers.
Well, that or by Turks interrogating greek cypriots
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Xion
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Posted: 08/14/03 - 20:10 Post subject:
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| Docter wrote: | | Thanks Hobbet, for guarding my "6". |
i have nothing against you doc, but you're definetly in troube when HOBBET's guarding your 6
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Mogling
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Posted: 08/15/03 - 01:05 Post subject:
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| Arinwulf wrote: | Please, this article quotes people who are big into atlantis and ufo's. The quotes from real science news sources give reasons why the glass might be distributed the way it is and yes, an aerial blast like the tunguska event (which didn't produced a crater) could generate the material.
And Greek fire is made by eating grape leaves stuffed with jalapeno peppers.
Well, that or by Turks interrogating greek cypriots |
While i a gree the article is far fetched at best they do quote articles from scientific american and they are reputable in my book...
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Tolanin
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meteors dont have to leave crators.. there was one that hit russia in like 1913 that exploded a mile or so above the earth.. no crator.. really high radiation damage to surounding shit.
Its hard to investigate shit like this because it never got alot of suport.. the idea that the human race was great at one point in the past but was nearly destroyed and then came back is possible.. there is even evidence for it in genetics actually because at one point prolly 20k years ago a large portion of our race was wiped out and its the reason we are not very genetically diverse today.. there are lots of old unexplained things around caves carved with lasers to old for lasers to have existed.. lots of stuff.
But it conflicts with the bible that says the earth is 5k years old lol so they dont investigate much.
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Janoth
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How the f**k can a meteor just "explode" above the earth? For something to explode, doesn't it require some sort of explosive? Was the m**********r drenched in gasoline? lol
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Braid
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Some cool things in the article. About Maiden's Castle:
"It covers an area of 120 acres, with an average width of 1,500 feet and length of 3,000 feet. The inner circumference is about 11Ú2 miles round, and it has been estimated...that it would require 250,000 men to defend it! It is hard, therefore, to believe that this construction was intended to be a defensive position.
A great puzzle to archaeologists has always been the multiple and labyrinthine east and west entrances at each end of the enclosure. Originally they may have been built as a way for processional entry by people of the Neolithic era. Later, when warriors of the Iron Age were using the site as a fortress, they probably found them useful as a means of confusing the attacking force trying to gain entry. The fact that so many of these "hill-forts" have two entrances--one north of east and the other south of west--also suggests some form of Sun ceremonial.
With 250,000 men defending a fort, we are talking about a huge army in a very organised society. This is not a bunch of fur-wearing Picts with spears defending a fort from marauding bands of hunter-gatherers. The questions remain, though. What huge army might have occupied these cliffside forts by the sea or lake entrances? And what massive maritime power were these people unsuccessfully defending themselves against?
That sounds cool. I'd like to see that one day.
The following would explain a lot about scotland, all their intelligent ancestors killed off by atomic bombs from Atlantis.
The forts on the western coast of Scotland are reminiscent of the mysterious clifftop forts in the Aran Islands on the west coast of Ireland. Here we truly have shades of the Atlantis story, with a powerful naval fleet attacking and conquering its neighbours in a terrible war. It has been theorised that the terrible battles of the Atlantis story took place in Wales, Scotland, Ireland and England--however, in the case of the Scottish vitrified forts it looks as if these were the losers of a war, not the victors. And defeat can be seen across the land: the war dykes in Sussex, the vitrified forts of Scotland, the utter collapse and disappearance of the civilisation that built these things. What long-ago Armageddon destroyed ancient Scotland?
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Janoth
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A few points. First, that long ago, there would be no "england", or "Ireland". England and Ireland would be the western coast of what we know as Europe. This could explain why Atlantis was supposidly covered in water, since much of the area probably was when England split off from the mainland of Europe.
Also, if they truly posessed the technology of Atomic weapons, above ground forts would have long since been proven obsolete(as they are now). Not only that, but the idea of 250,000 men defending one area, in a fort such as that would also be obsolete. So I find the idea that some advanced civilization that posessed nuclear capabilities building an above ground defensive fortress that 250,000 men manned pretty unlikely. This could be why they lost the war, though =) Damn scotish f*****s never learn
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| Quote: | | Religious texts and geological evidence suggest that several parts of the world have experienced destructive atomic blasts in ages past. |
thats all i read
sorry, you could pull any shit you want out of religious text
hell, i bet theres evidence aliens visited earth and elvis presley went back in time
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khrath
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i would like to say that I also like reading docs posts, even though i dont beleive in aliens, or werewolfs, or sumperman, I find that the insight i get from reading his posts helps me somehow. I'm not sure how, but at least it beats reading shit from vekril.
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Pankrat
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| Tolanin wrote: | meteors dont have to leave crators.. there was one that hit russia in like 1913 that exploded a mile or so above the earth.. no crator.. really high radiation damage to surounding shit.
Its hard to investigate shit like this because it never got alot of suport.. the idea that the human race was great at one point in the past but was nearly destroyed and then came back is possible.. there is even evidence for it in genetics actually because at one point prolly 20k years ago a large portion of our race was wiped out and its the reason we are not very genetically diverse today.. there are lots of old unexplained things around caves carved with lasers to old for lasers to have existed.. lots of stuff.
But it conflicts with the bible that says the earth is 5k years old lol so they dont investigate much. |
First off the Bible never claims the earth is 5K years old, and secondly claiming science does not investigate something because is supposedly somehow conflicts with the Bible is a completely rediculous statement altogether.
And finally, the fact that most of the human race was recently wiped out actually coincides very nicely with the Genesis flood account (ie that most of the human race was wiped out recently =p). Other genetic studies indicate that we have a more recent male common ancestor (based on Y Chromosone only passed from the male) than female common ancestor (based on mitichondrial DNA - passed from the mother). This doesn't seem to make sense on the surface, but once again coincides with the Bible teaches - the people on the Ark were Noah,his wife, his 3 son and their 3 wives. The 4 wives would have carried the older more diverse mitochondrial DNA while Noah and 3 sons would have identical Y chromosone DNA...(So the most recent common female ancestor according the Bible would be Eve, older than Noah, and the most recent common male ancestor would be Noah...)
Ok, sorry to go off topic, but occaionally I pop on here, read something that is just entirely off base and feel the need to correct it. I'm just anal that way.
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Arinwulf
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The final issue about atomic weapons. They leave radioactive isotopes like Cesium 137 which has a half life of (as I recall) about 30,000 years. Even though the level of radiation might be close to background, someone could do determine if cesium 137 and strontium 90 are in the soil.
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Arinwulf
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Ah the great flood. Bible thumpers like to talk about the 'evidence' of a great flood. First off, there isn't any. Since the time of man (and a great deal of time before that) there has never been enough water to cover all the land masses. Even now, if all the ice on the planet melted, the oceans would rise 250 feet at the most, while making it tough for the people wealthy enough to own beach front property, it would hardly jeopardize life on earth.
Please, don't try to mix science with a document that was written by people from the middle eastern 'culture'. Between slavery, clitoral circumcision, honor killing, and an apparent psychopathic urge to murder everyone that doesn't share their view on god, I see no reason to take the bible, the koran or the torah as the word of god. and if it is, then we are well and truly f****d.
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Gethy
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Posted: 08/15/03 - 13:30 Post subject:
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| Pankrat wrote: | | Tolanin wrote: | meteors dont have to leave crators.. there was one that hit russia in like 1913 that exploded a mile or so above the earth.. no crator.. really high radiation damage to surounding shit.
Its hard to investigate shit like this because it never got alot of suport.. the idea that the human race was great at one point in the past but was nearly destroyed and then came back is possible.. there is even evidence for it in genetics actually because at one point prolly 20k years ago a large portion of our race was wiped out and its the reason we are not very genetically diverse today.. there are lots of old unexplained things around caves carved with lasers to old for lasers to have existed.. lots of stuff.
But it conflicts with the bible that says the earth is 5k years old lol so they dont investigate much. |
First off the Bible never claims the earth is 5K years old, and secondly claiming science does not investigate something because is supposedly somehow conflicts with the Bible is a completely rediculous statement altogether.
And finally, the fact that most of the human race was recently wiped out actually coincides very nicely with the Genesis flood account (ie that most of the human race was wiped out recently =p). Other genetic studies indicate that we have a more recent male common ancestor (based on Y Chromosone only passed from the male) than female common ancestor (based on mitichondrial DNA - passed from the mother). This doesn't seem to make sense on the surface, but once again coincides with the Bible teaches - the people on the Ark were Noah,his wife, his 3 son and their 3 wives. The 4 wives would have carried the older more diverse mitochondrial DNA while Noah and 3 sons would have identical Y chromosone DNA...(So the most recent common female ancestor according the Bible would be Eve, older than Noah, and the most recent common male ancestor would be Noah...)
Ok, sorry to go off topic, but occaionally I pop on here, read something that is just entirely off base and feel the need to correct it. I'm just anal that way. |
Haha, ok.
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Posted: 08/15/03 - 13:32 Post subject:
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http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/weekly/aa072997.htm
The flood is an archetypical story that transcends the bible. It may not have covered the planet but if you look at many of the worlds story tellers you will see a massive flooding story. I imagine it was a long period of rains perhaps globally. Not so much high levels of water but a time when the atmosphere was a lot more saturated. Think el Nino but on a much larger scale.
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Arinwulf
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Posted: 08/15/03 - 14:52 Post subject:
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Sure, from that perspective, as the ice age ended and more water was taken up into the atmosphere, the frequency of precipitation increased. But that is hardly the representation of the flood as accounted in the bible.
The point is, you cannot use the bible (or any other religious text) as your basis in fact for a discussion. That just opens the door for the pseudo scientists doing stories about the Hash Pipes of the Gods or some such.
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Janoth
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Posted: 08/15/03 - 15:02 Post subject:
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According to the bible "The great flood covered even the highest mountain" or some shit, so ya.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 08/15/03 - 15:52 Post subject:
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btw up until prolly 300 years ago heavy research on stuff that conflicted with the bible enough to contests its complete acuracy on the ancient past just wasnt done by scientists.
Meteors can explode you can look into it.. not sure on the name but it was in 1913 in russia.. meteors get very hot on reentry if the composition is right the presures inside could make it explode.
The great flood has some fairly strong evidence.. there are lots of ways for it to happen.. nuclear war could cause heavy rains, massive world wide tidal waves.. so could asteroid impacts. 40 days of incredibly heavy rain from something incredibly massive that hit an ocean is very possible... you have any idea of how much water that displaces and how high the tidal waves would be think mile high.. they would destroy anything.. also consider that most civ in that time was on the coast and it could very well destroy most of the human race.
go watch deep impact kthx.
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Janoth
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Posted: 08/15/03 - 17:47 Post subject:
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| Tolanin wrote: | btw up until prolly 300 years ago heavy research on stuff that conflicted with the bible enough to contests its complete acuracy on the ancient past just wasnt done by scientists.
Meteors can explode you can look into it.. not sure on the name but it was in 1913 in russia.. meteors get very hot on reentry if the composition is right the presures inside could make it explode.
The great flood has some fairly strong evidence.. there are lots of ways for it to happen.. nuclear war could cause heavy rains, massive world wide tidal waves.. so could asteroid impacts. 40 days of incredibly heavy rain from something incredibly massive that hit an ocean is very possible... you have any idea of how much water that displaces and how high the tidal waves would be think mile high.. they would destroy anything.. also consider that most civ in that time was on the coast and it could very well destroy most of the human race.
go watch deep impact kthx. |
I know about the incedent but last I heard it was unsolved. Didn't know it was a meteor. If a nuke exploded in or ontop of the ocean it would evaporate more water and would not cause a title wave. I bet the same thing potentially could happen with a meteor if they can explode similar to a nuke.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 08/15/03 - 21:03 Post subject:
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by the ocean thing i ment it actually hit the ocean (nuke could explode under the ocean too and cause tidal waves if the nuke was big enough.. but theres really no substitute for a giant rock the size of texas going 10kmph).. meteors being able to explode in the air and not leave a crator but still cause radiation was what the exploding meteor was about.. ya its semi solved.. they did alot of experiments with meteors in labs (miniatures) and reproduced the effects at the sight exactly... some wackos still think like a space ship exploded there but thats just wacko BS most likely... i think that the idea behind it was that it was a comet not a meteor which was why they didnt find any debris.
Of course if we are saying these people had tech more advanced than ours who is to say they have something that could cause floods and destruction of types we dont know.. that fort thing is also a flawed view point.. we dont know what the next phase that will revolutionize warfare will be.. new weapons could make forts a good idea again.. maybe they had shield generators ;p
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 08/15/03 - 21:06 Post subject:
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10 mph? That's one slow meteor!
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Faerdal
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Posted: 08/15/03 - 21:53 Post subject:
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i find it amusing to examine the mind of a person who can honestly consider the possibility that an ancient society could possess weapons of such technological complexity, yet leave absolutely no physical evidence of them behind outside of one weakly related geographical phenomenon. oh, and the rest of their society's super-technology didnt happen to leave any trace of itself either. absolutely none. we've got a bunch of stone axe wielding, cave painting wankers running around with thermonuclear detonators and mini warheads in their lionskin backpacks.
eugenics is a beautiful thing, if used correctly. i'm sure there has to be some way to screen these people out before puberty, and ensure they never reproduce.
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